Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

[wsu_gb23]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

it's a videogame, anyone can play any way they want.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Im not a simballer and i'm not ashamed of it either. nor do i cheese. unless im playing with my bro and we mess around lol.

I can respect that, just let the person know before you play them what type of player you are. Especially in a lobby situation, where your opponent is asking for a sim game.

[Todem]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

The thing about the "Shoot a variety of shots" is people complain that you take too many drives, or too many threes. How can I help it if you're going to leave Mo Williams open in the corner 50% of the time? Am I supposed to dish it off to him and just reset? I have played so many people who apparently play "sim ball" and they just quit because I took too many threes. They weren't forced running around cheesy shots. It was a simple drive and kick out.

I can't disagree with this when it comes to basketball. If a guy is left open and your able to drive and dish why would you not take the shot? The other player must find a way to defend it. Basketball is a different animal than football.

In football when you see the same plays over and over and over it's BS. You have a massive playbook. And yes in NBA2K you also have a large playbook buyt let's be real. NBA teams run about 10 plays and just look for ways to screen, pick, and slash and drive their way to open shots for their sharp shooters or get inside points with the post game.

So there is a fine line between guys being whiners about a guy draining threes and a guy who just is always dunking, and pick and rolling.

Three pointers are low percentage shots. I rather a guy try hitting those all night then cheese his way into the paint every single time down the floor.

[Todem]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

it's a videogame, anyone can play any way they want.

Absolutley. Just don't join a sim league if your not really sim.

Happens all the time and that is annoying.

As far as lobby games....stay away sim ballers or otherwise be ready for frustration.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Yeah, some people take the 'sim ball' concept a bit too far. Playing 'sim' often times seems to be more limit yourself and help the opponent rather than mimicking realistic play. If teams could pick and roll all day or drive to the bucket all day in real life due to defensive lapses/weak defensive play, they would. Im all for 'playing sim' but at what point is it the responsibility of the defense to close its holes and stop good offense?

I tend to agree with you on this concept. if the game gives you the option to stop something and your opponent doesn't adapt you should make them pay...that's strategy. However if the play, move is so overpowered, that it becomes exploitable IE: the Rocket Catch in Madden 08(last madden I have played)

[jeebs9]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Quick Post can easily be defended. How is that a chese?

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Quick Post can easily be defended. How is that a chese?

have you read the post? It's not about the play, it's about how you play the game... Read the entire post, it's really a good read, then comment.

[Todem]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Quick Post can easily be defended. How is that a chese?

I love the post game. I don't think quick post play is any type of cheese. To me in video basketball cheese are guys who run with the star player on turbo and take 50 shots with him. Cheese is half court passing, constant abuse of double teams etc.

But legit play calling, post play, picks, screens. That is the essence of basketball.

[Todem]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

have you read the post? It's not about the play, it's about how you play the game... Read the entire post, it's really a good read, then comment.

Jeebs this:

On quick post: I’m not going to say there’s anything actually wrong with play….what is wrong is when it’s used everytime down the court, and in a very unrealistic way.

[eko718]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I tend to agree with you on this concept. if the game gives you the option to stop something and your opponent doesn't adapt you should make them pay...that's strategy. However if the play, move is so overpowered, that it becomes exploitable IE: the Rocket Catch in Madden 08(last madden I have played)

Agreed. Taking advantage of an exploit is what I consider cheese. For example in 2K9 the double team was overpowered pre-patch. There was a certain 'instant turnover' double team that was possible if you knew how to do it. Doing something like that every time down the court, aware that it is imbalanced and a known exploit, to me = cheesing.

I remember I was playing in a 'sim' league and some dude double team cheesed me right as I passed half court like every time down the court. After growing sick of the cheap turnovers he was able to create, I decided to counter the cheese by calling a timeout when caught in that double team(which by the way our league had rules against) before the turnover could happen. I ended up winning this game and can you believe this a--hole had the nerve to give me a neg rating?? One is a real life strategy(players often call TO's when double teamed), and the other is an unrealistic exploit. Some guys are unbelievable.

[SpSoloSr]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Great post. I can see where you're going with your opinion, but I gotta disagree with your perspective to some degree.

Like it's already been stated, basketball is definitely one of those games where you have to take advantage of your opportunities or else you're just making things harder on yourself, whether that be defensively or offensively. Running plays a majority of the time down can have it's advantages, but if I have Tony Parker or Rajon Rondo push the ball up the court, and no one stops the ball, I'm taking it to the basket. And if that so happens to happen 50-60% of the time throughout the course of the game, and you keep letting me, just like in real life, I'ma keep doing it until you make me make an adjustment. I've already made my mind up on how I'm going to attack you. And provided that there just isn't some outlandish exploit that I'm using, I feel it's fair to have my prerogative to play this way and still consider myself playing a "Sim" game.

The same goes for defense. If I suspect that your offensive is going to include a heavy dose of "Superstar A" plays, I'll probably be sending a double team over with extra help in the paint. And more chances than not, I'll be the guy in the paint to insure that 1) You think twice about bringing it and 2) I'm in position for the rebound if you decide to force something. Again, you have to make the adjustment in order to make me change how I'm playing if you want to get whatever it maybe out of your offense. Again, provided that I'm not using some ridiculous exploit, I feel it's fair for me to assume I'm playing "Sim" ball.

So, when you're talking about "Sim" basketball, I feel that it's the ability to adjust, re-adjust, and exploit what's being givin to you, not compromising on behalf of your opponent for the sake of realism.

[PH1LLYSFINEST13]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Gotta disagree a lil on the "on ball defense". I use the sixers so most of the time I use one of my best defenders , either Iguodala or Jrue holiday , just depends on who I am playing. If they have a high quality SF or 2 , I will switch to Iguodala and try to prevent him from getting the ball to make things happen and if he does get the ball , I am already on Iguodala and can anticipate a quick drive attempt or whatever may happen.

If his PG is killin me or i wanna try and disrupt the play calling and control the tempo , I am going to use Jrue and either pressure because of poor ballhandling or back off of a tony parker or Rondo type who cant shoot and try and read and react from there.

Good post in general though man

[randombrother]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

PHILLY I'll take your disagreement even further. Playing online sometimes gives one or the other player a disadvantage with lag and latency. It can sometimes be impossible to play any competent on-ball D if your guy reacts on screen 2 seconds later.

In instances where I see my opponent is just getting over because of the internet disadvantages I like to play "just enough" on ball D to steer him where I want him to go and let the cpu handle any quick moves that don't relate to real basketball and only to lag.

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Great post. I can see where you're going with your opinion, but I gotta disagree with your perspective to some degree.

Like it's already been stated, basketball is definitely one of those games where you have to take advantage of your opportunities or else you're just making things harder on yourself, whether that be defensively or offensively. Running plays a majority of the time down can have it's advantages, but if I have Tony Parker or Rajon Rondo push the ball up the court, and no one stops the ball, I'm taking it to the basket. And if that so happens to happen 50-60% of the time throughout the course of the game, and you keep letting me, just like in real life, I'ma keep doing it until you make me make an adjustment. I've already made my mind up on how I'm going to attack you. And provided that there just isn't some outlandish exploit that I'm using, I feel it's fair to have my prerogative to play this way and still consider myself playing a "Sim" game.

The same goes for defense. If I suspect that your offensive is going to include a heavy dose of "Superstar A" plays, I'll probably be sending a double team over with extra help in the paint. And more chances than not, I'll be the guy in the paint to insure that 1) You think twice about bringing it and 2) I'm in position for the rebound if you decide to force something. Again, you have to make the adjustment in order to make me change how I'm playing if you want to get whatever it maybe out of your offense. Again, provided that I'm not using some ridiculous exploit, I feel it's fair for me to assume I'm playing "Sim" ball.

So, when you're talking about "Sim" basketball, I feel that it's the ability to adjust, re-adjust, and exploit what's being givin to you, not compromising on behalf of your opponent for the sake of realism.

There is no gripe here, the bible speaks on this. That said a sim game between two players isn't going to be played this way.... to say that if a guy leaves an open lane to the rim everytime and not take the shot is ridiculous...of course take the shot, but remember it's all inclusive. Sim is everything combined.

[Todem]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

PHILLY I'll take your disagreement even further. Playing online sometimes gives one or the other player a disadvantage with lag and latency. It can sometimes be impossible to play any competent on-ball D if your guy reacts on screen 2 seconds later.

In instances where I see my opponent is just getting over because of the internet disadvantages I like to play "just enough" on ball D to steer him where I want him to go and let the cpu handle any quick moves that don't relate to real basketball and only to lag.

Love your sig.