Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Gotta disagree a lil on the "on ball defense". I use the sixers so most of the time I use one of my best defenders , either Iguodala or Jrue holiday , just depends on who I am playing. If they have a high quality SF or 2 , I will switch to Iguodala and try to prevent him from getting the ball to make things happen and if he does get the ball , I am already on Iguodala and can anticipate a quick drive attempt or whatever may happen.

If his PG is killin me or i wanna try and disrupt the play calling and control the tempo , I am going to use Jrue and either pressure because of poor ballhandling or back off of a tony parker or Rondo type who cant shoot and try and read and react from there.

Good post in general though man

I understand what you are trying to say, but it breaks down the way the game is supposed to be played IMO, read the section on all ball D and you'll see why this is the only way to play the game. I just think off the ball D, is a slippery slope to unrealistic game play.

[randombrother]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Love your sig.

LOL, thanks man. Sadly it's true.

[TUSS11]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

As long as you're not abusing gameplay exploits, I'm fine playing against any style. In my experience, "sim" has become a cliché word meaning "I only shoot midrange jumpshots and you should too." A large majority of self-proclaimed "sim" players stand by this code. To me it shows they'd rather regulate how others play than learn how to play solid defense.

I don't describe my style as "sim" because of the misuse of the word. Instead I use the word realistic. My style is by no means perfect, but I try my best to play legit. With that said, I can change styles depending on how my opponent plays.

[jeebs9]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

have you read the post? It's not about the play, it's about how you play the game... Read the entire post, it's really a good read, then comment.

I did read the whole thing...

I love the post game. I don't think quick post play is any type of cheese. To me in video basketball cheese are guys who run with the star player on turbo and take 50 shots with him. Cheese is half court passing, constant abuse of double teams etc.

But legit play calling, post play, picks, screens. That is the essence of basketball.

I feel that.

Jeebs this:

On quick post: I’m not going to say there’s anything actually wrong with play….what is wrong is when it’s used everytime down the court, and in a very unrealistic way.

I had a guy do that to me last night. I was pretty happy to see it. Because no goes in the post....lol He actually didn't make many shots. I'm pretty good at playing D down low. Probably would surprise most people how good down low I am.

[randombrother]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Probably would surprise most people how good down low I am.

Man please change this sentence. lol

[jeebs9]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

^^LMFAO^^

Didn't even notice lol...

[randombrother]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

^^LMFAO^^

Didn't even notice lol...

LOL, I was saying to myself "I know what he means but man nothing good can come from that sentence"

[newmoon]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

As long as you're not abusing gameplay exploits, I'm fine playing against any style. In my experience, "sim" has become a cliché word meaning "I only shoot midrange jumpshots and you should too." A large majority of self-proclaimed "sim" players stand by this code. To me it shows they'd rather regulate how others play than learn how to play solid defense.

I don't describe my style as "sim" because of the misuse of the word. Instead I use the word realistic. My style is by no means perfect, but I try my best to play legit. With that said, I can change styles depending on how my opponent plays.

Sim means Simulation..... that means realistic, so just changing the name doesn't do anything. If you're not playing a simulation of an actual NBA game you're cheesing. The Game is Called NBA 2k.... The player should load up the game expecting the game to resemble an actual NBA basketball game. Now if it were called NBA JAM, or Double Dribble, Or Bringing down the rims, or whatever you get what you get.....

[Teebone21]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Gotta disagree a lil on the "on ball defense". I use the sixers so most of the time I use one of my best defenders , either Iguodala or Jrue holiday , just depends on who I am playing. If they have a high quality SF or 2 , I will switch to Iguodala and try to prevent him from getting the ball to make things happen and if he does get the ball , I am already on Iguodala and can anticipate a quick drive attempt or whatever may happen.

If his PG is killin me or i wanna try and disrupt the play calling and control the tempo , I am going to use Jrue and either pressure because of poor ballhandling or back off of a tony parker or Rondo type who cant shoot and try and read and react from there.

Good post in general though man

you got it backward you are supposed to control your worst defender actually.

BTW dont listen to TUSS he forgets that the word "SIM" started alongggggggggggg time ago for videogames. even the 2k devs are wanting a real simulation of nba basketball but he doesnt grasp the concept. Bottom line the game should MAKE people play realistic.

[PH1LLYSFINEST13]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I understand what you are trying to say, but it breaks down the way the game is supposed to be played IMO, read the section on all ball D and you'll see why this is the only way to play the game. I just think off the ball D, is a slippery slope to unrealistic game play.

HAVE to disagree on that part as well. The ONLY way to play?naw. Plus helpside D was terrible ( then again so were the sixers ) last year so for me to be able to rotate with someone who actually can knock the ball loose or maybe change the shot or cutoff the path to the basket actually made sense.

you got it backward you are supposed to control your worst defender actually.

BTW dont listen to TUSS he forgets that the word "SIM" started alongggggggggggg time ago for videogames. even the 2k devs are wanting a real simulation of nba basketball but he doesnt grasp the concept. Bottom line the game should MAKE people play realistic.

Again , like i said , most of the time the best player on the other team is at the 1 2 or 3 because people online dont use post play or big men like post players. And its more fun when you use someone who is actually capable on defense. Wouldnt you rather use an athletic, long-armed , quick defender instead of someone who doesnt even really have a chance of stopping anybody? Why am I even going to try to stop somebody using spencer hawes , the guy averaged a block every 32 games. (not a real stat , jus a exageration of how little the man does anything defensivley )I would much rather use Iguodala.

[Vast]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

I play off ball D. I don't care what anybody says there is nothing wrong with it.

I like to play defense with the PF or Center. Thats just my preference. So if you're setting up your offense with the PG im not going to guard you.

As soon as you pass to your PF or center then i will be playing on ball D.

THis isn't all the time kind of like 65% of the time. the other times i'll be controlling the SF or SG on D. Unless i have a defensive PG i just dont see the point in controlling him on d.

[SpSoloSr]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Sim means Simulation..... that means realistic, so just changing the name doesn't do anything. If you're not playing a simulation of an actual NBA game you're cheesing. The Game is Called NBA 2k.... The player should load up the game expecting the game to resemble an actual NBA basketball game. Now if it were called NBA JAM, or Double Dribble, Or Bringing down the rims, or whatever you get what you get.....

This is pretty harsh... I mean, I understand what you're saying, but you still have to take into account that sometimes the CPU itself doesn't represent a true account of an NBA game. I mean, at the end of the day, it's still a video game. Half the dunks in the "Kobe Sig Package" he rarely even does anymore and with all the sliders and adjustments to the game itself that people play, you're just gonna find different forms of what guys will interpret as realistic.

[TUSS11]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Sim means Simulation..... that means realistic, so just changing the name doesn't do anything. If you're not playing a simulation of an actual NBA game you're cheesing. The Game is Called NBA 2k.... The player should load up the game expecting the game to resemble an actual NBA basketball game. Now if it were called NBA JAM, or Double Dribble, Or Bringing down the rims, or whatever you get what you get.....

There are more people that use the word "sim" out of context than there are who use it properly. That is the reason why I don't use the term. It's become cliché. You may still use it in its proper context but most people don't. Again, that just my experience.

And the whole "you either play sim or you're a cheeser" black and white arguement is bs. If I play as the Suns then the bread and butter of my offense should be the pick-and-roll. However, we all know that the lead pass has been over-powerful for years now. So by your definition if I choose not to abuse the pick-and-roll then I am a cheeser.

[VDusen04]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ....the Bible. (for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

Great post. I can see where you're going with your opinion, but I gotta disagree with your perspective to some degree.

Like it's already been stated, basketball is definitely one of those games where you have to take advantage of your opportunities or else you're just making things harder on yourself, whether that be defensively or offensively. Running plays a majority of the time down can have it's advantages, but if I have Tony Parker or Rajon Rondo push the ball up the court, and no one stops the ball, I'm taking it to the basket. And if that so happens to happen 50-60% of the time throughout the course of the game, and you keep letting me, just like in real life, I'ma keep doing it until you make me make an adjustment. I've already made my mind up on how I'm going to attack you. And provided that there just isn't some outlandish exploit that I'm using, I feel it's fair to have my prerogative to play this way and still consider myself playing a "Sim" game.

The same goes for defense. If I suspect that your offensive is going to include a heavy dose of "Superstar A" plays, I'll probably be sending a double team over with extra help in the paint. And more chances than not, I'll be the guy in the paint to insure that 1) You think twice about bringing it and 2) I'm in position for the rebound if you decide to force something. Again, you have to make the adjustment in order to make me change how I'm playing if you want to get whatever it maybe out of your offense. Again, provided that I'm not using some ridiculous exploit, I feel it's fair for me to assume I'm playing "Sim" ball.

So, when you're talking about "Sim" basketball, I feel that it's the ability to adjust, re-adjust, and exploit what's being givin to you, not compromising on behalf of your opponent for the sake of realism.

I tend to believe more in your school of thought. Clearly, I like when my opponent steers clear of extreme exploits (my 12 year old brother used to love playing on pro or below so he could just chuck triples randomly all game with Larry Bird) but I don't like to police everyone's play (even my own) so rigidly. I respect everyone's opinion of how the game should be played and I admit I do not play a whole lot of online 2K, but with all these rules you guys throw out there, it starts to feel more like a role playing game, where execution takes a backseat to a sim guideline rulebook.

Honestly, for me, all of those rules in the original post, are a little much.

[yungflo]

Re: Sim style Gamplay ..... (Sim style for the guys who don't know what cheese is)

People forget this game does appeal to casual gamers and little kiddies. So you can have someone like 13 chucking the hell out of the game or someone 7 going online.

Don't expect to always get mature adults either.

that being said, it is a sim game, but for serious gamers, maybe a sim online lobby, with sim mods? I can't see how it'll be regulated..maybe by age? you don't want to play a 7yr old unless he's a genius in sim lol.