It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[yungflo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

this is extremely disappointing, as an offline gamer

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Honestly nothing is wrong with the trading logic, i've seen ONE questionable trade and it was the Twolves trading Wesley Johnson for Michael Redd. Which I can't understand at all...but meh I guess it is the Twolves.

With that said in the NBA there are clear one sided deals when you scratch your head and ask "What...is that team doing?" So i'm fine with even that.

With that said it's a shame about the role thing. Don't know much about programming but that seems fixable. Even if it's not we can just turn that off.

I'm now worried about the decreasing amount of trades though. I really hope there is a patch to fix this, or it negates the seemingly much improved trading logic of the A.I.

What about all the stuff about teams that would be sellers, rebuilding teams? What about the teams like the Blazers looking for that last key piece? Why aren't these teams making moves as the years go on and how can this slip by the testing??

Either way by the time it's a issue for me hopefully it is patched.

[erickonasis]

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That's not true.

def not true ... and with the ability to be able to save in the middle of games i dont see any reason to sim games but to each his own

[wepr3]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Honestly nothing is wrong with the trading logic, i've seen ONE questionable trade and it was the Twolves trading Wesley Johnson for Michael Redd. Which I can't understand at all...but meh I guess it is the Twolves.

With that said in the NBA there are clear one sided deals when you scratch your head and ask "What...is that team doing?" So i'm fine with even that.

With that said it's a shame about the role thing. Don't know much about programming but that seems fixable. Even if it's not we can just turn that off.

I'm now worried about the decreasing amount of trades though. I really hope there is a patch to fix this, or it negates the seemingly much improved trading logic of the A.I.

What about all the stuff about teams that would be sellers, rebuilding teams? What about the teams like the Blazers looking for that last key piece? Why aren't these teams making moves as the years go on and how can this slip by the testing??

Either way by the time it's a issue for me hopefully it is patched.

In my glass is half empty world, I'm afraid a patch for this would result in too many trades. If I have to choose between too many and too few, I'll take too few. Wasn't it 2k10 when the same player would be traded several times in the same season?

The FA thing is crazy, though. I know I read that the Association was supposed to be improved in that they wouldn't sign/draft 4 of the same position just because they were the highest rated. So, this is obviously affecting how the CPU views the FA's.

It'd be easy to say that teams should make exceptions for players over 90, but then others are saying players develop too quickly, so then we're back to square 1.

[Kudzilla]

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This year is gonna be sooo boring when it comes to sports games, why cant they just get it right. Looks like my last hope of having fun till 2K12 is the new Fallout and CoD game, sigh.

[zethisis]

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In order to fix association, we need a more strict rating system. There should be maybe one rookie a year above 78 and with close to A potenial. Everybody else should have B to C potenial after the top 5. Maybe a few sleepers in the second round but thats about it. I simmed like 20 seasons and the problem isn't the trade logic or the player role system. There are just too many good players in the league by year 7. The lack of trades is due to the fact that everybody has pieces to win, its just clear that the better teams with the best morales tend to do the best.

I actually like how the CPU manages its salary Cap situation. I didn't see every team -30 million over the salary cap. Some teams actually had room to make a room. The player roles need to be adjusted, homefield advantage needs to be tweaked to lower how much its affecting the teams. The games need to be closer so the sim engine needs to fixed too. There needs to be less progression between the players so we don't have that talent overload like we always do by year 7. Thats the reason why trades stop happening, and FA stop being signed.

There should be one big superstar come into the league every 5 seasons.

[LionsFanNJ]

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I'll probably be playing most of my games so by the time there is a fix this won't be an issue. Maybe i'll lower rookie potential ratings on draft classes too.

[Jenkins]

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What a disappointment, I was actually excited about a sports game for the first time in the next gen era.

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

In order to fix association, we need a more strict rating system. There should be maybe one rookie a year above 78 and with close to A potenial. Everybody else should have B to C potenial after the top 5. Maybe a few sleepers in the second round but thats about it. I simmed like 20 seasons and the problem isn't the trade logic or the player role system. There are just too many good players in the league by year 7. The lack of trades is due to the fact that everybody has pieces to win, its just clear that the better teams with the best morales tend to do the best.

I actually like how the CPU manages its salary Cap situation. I didn't see every team -30 million over the salary cap. Some teams actually had room to make a room. The player roles need to be adjusted, homefield advantage needs to be tweaked to lower how much its affecting the teams. The games need to be closer so the sim engine needs to fixed too. There needs to be less progression between the players so we don't have that talent overload like we always do by year 7. Thats the reason why trades stop happening, and FA stop being signed.

There should be one big superstar come into the league every 5 seasons.

Could be it.

CPU teams are drafting good players and get comfy with the teams they have. If so someone with enough time could lower the ratings of who is drafted and see how the AI reacts to that.

[TooTall]

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I guess the next question to ask is how do we bring this to the attention of the 2K developers?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

In order to fix association, we need a more strict rating system. There should be maybe one rookie a year above 78 and with close to A potenial. Everybody else should have B to C potenial after the top 5. Maybe a few sleepers in the second round but thats about it. I simmed like 20 seasons and the problem isn't the trade logic or the player role system. There are just too many good players in the league by year 7. The lack of trades is due to the fact that everybody has pieces to win, its just clear that the better teams with the best morales tend to do the best.

I actually like how the CPU manages its salary Cap situation. I didn't see every team -30 million over the salary cap. Some teams actually had room to make a room. The player roles need to be adjusted, homefield advantage needs to be tweaked to lower how much its affecting the teams. The games need to be closer so the sim engine needs to fixed too. There needs to be less progression between the players so we don't have that talent overload like we always do by year 7. Thats the reason why trades stop happening, and FA stop being signed.

There should be one big superstar come into the league every 5 seasons.

This is why I don't use the generated draft classes. Last year I went through and did this:
If the players potential is above 90, I bumped it down by 5.
If the players potential is in the 80s, I bump it down by 10.
If the players potential is below 80, I bump it down by 15.
I did this with every player last year but never really got deep enough into association to see if it really worked.

But anyway, this is why I always downloaded draft classes.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

In order to fix association, we need a more strict rating system. There should be maybe one rookie a year above 78 and with close to A potenial. Everybody else should have B to C potenial after the top 5. Maybe a few sleepers in the second round but thats about it. I simmed like 20 seasons and the problem isn't the trade logic or the player role system. There are just too many good players in the league by year 7. The lack of trades is due to the fact that everybody has pieces to win, its just clear that the better teams with the best morales tend to do the best.

I actually like how the CPU manages its salary Cap situation. I didn't see every team -30 million over the salary cap. Some teams actually had room to make a room. The player roles need to be adjusted, homefield advantage needs to be tweaked to lower how much its affecting the teams. The games need to be closer so the sim engine needs to fixed too. There needs to be less progression between the players so we don't have that talent overload like we always do by year 7. Thats the reason why trades stop happening, and FA stop being signed.

There should be one big superstar come into the league every 5 seasons.

I say every player in the game is 5 points to high (including generated rookies)

and potential isnt spread out enough

This may be the problem with the trades (ant confirm as I only simmed one season and havent seen the problems reported)

[TheWorldIsYours]

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Somebody please bring this to 2k's attention before the first patch is out.

their are to many teams with losing records on the road. the homecourt advantage is crazy, please 2k fix this.

[sniperhare]

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I had a friend come over last year and play with some rosters I downloaded, he got mad when he saw that Bryant was only an 89. When we played and he saw that Bryant played very realistically and the game played great he went and downloaded the same rosters.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I had a friend come over last year and play with some rosters I downloaded, he got mad when he saw that Bryant was only an 89. When we played and he saw that Bryant played very realistically and the game played great he went and downloaded the same rosters.

Perfect example as why every rating needs to be in letters (leave the numbers back stage like when editing players)

People wouldnt be complaining that KD was lower than Melo if both players were a "B+" or "A"

Now in the first 2k update, 2k HAD to boost KD for reason unknown...