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  • Jukeman
    Showtime
    • Aug 2005
    • 10955

    #181
    Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

    Originally posted by CabreraMVP
    Trading is too easy, but the game doesnt make you offer trades. It would be more realistic if the trade finder would email you offers after a few days, like MLB The Show. But again, while that is unrealistic, the game isnt making you offer trades. I put up Stuckey and Prince and picked through and found an offer that was realistic (Zack Randolph) and went it and re-structed a deal around him.

    And the other stuff is overrated. Like how the AI vs AI games arent sweeps in the playoffs? Home does that effect the user?

    The morale thing has always been dumb. Ben Wallace dropped 2 points after I lossed 2 in a row. it's always been like that. It's always been impossible (since 2k9 at least) to please everybody with their role and their minutes.

    I have Thabeet playing behind Monroe and Big Ben Wallace and he is complaining, The game needs to realize that he is the 3rd best center on the team so I'm going to play him accordingly. As long as you win games though, things will take care of itself. As long as you keep your main guys happy, which isnt too hard, you're fine.

    I have a question though. Greg Monroe got hurt, about 2 weeks. He can play through it but I dont have a need to. Can you place him on IR or something? If I lower his minutes to 0 I'm afraid he'll get upset. Don't wait his rating to drop.
    You have a lottery pick (rookie last year) playing behind a washed up player and another young guy...Atleast send him to the DLeague instead of giving him garbage minutes.


    The feature is not about pleasing everyone...

    why not just turn the feature off?
    Last edited by Jukeman; 10-07-2010, 07:11 PM.

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    • tgballin
      Rookie
      • May 2008
      • 289

      #182
      Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

      Sim test with stars relegated to 'bench warmer' role maybe 10 mins per with bulls,thunder,wiz,grizz young studs, at seasons end morale near 0 this is result.

      oj mayo 7.8pts. 1reb .05 assts .05 steal in 15mpg 84 ovr + 4
      r.gay 7.6/2.8/1/.07/.06/15mpg 85 ovr + 2 (despite averaging 12ppg LESS then previous year, PROGRESS yay.)

      john wall 9.7 ppg and 2.5 assts 10 mins per. 86 ovr + 5
      (the same increase on overall as when he was 'star' roty.)

      a.blatche 7.6 ppg 4.2 boards half a steal half a block, 75 ovr+3
      (again, same overall increase despite the drop in production)

      k.durant 14 ppg 4rebs 1.2 asst .5 steal .3 block 94 +2
      russ westbrook 9 ppg 1 reb 2.2 assts in 13.8 mins 84 ovr + 3

      d.rose 13 ppg 3.1 assts 13 mpg (omitted stats or decimals) 88 ovr+3

      j.noah 4.2 ppg 4.1 rebs .08 blocks in 13 mpg. (again same end of year OVR upgrade) 79 ovr + 2 despite droppoffs in EVERYTHING.

      also wilson chandler 5 points 2 boards and decimals in 12 mpg +3 im tired of writing this.

      after year 1 despite the harsh enviroment for a young talent,
      overall was still gained despite significant dropoffs in all stats, p/t and mins, not to mention morale being 0 and -10 points per game average on some occasion.

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      • pdandy
        Rookie
        • Dec 2009
        • 343

        #183
        Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

        Originally posted by tgballin
        john wall 9.7 ppg and 2.5 assts 10 mins per. 86 ovr + 5
        (the same increase on overall as when he was 'star' roty.)
        Yikes, what happened to the 2k10 "if you bench a player they won't develop as fast"? I did an assocation with the Wizards yesterday and like you said he was ROTY and got the same +5.

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        • Jukeman
          Showtime
          • Aug 2005
          • 10955

          #184
          Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

          Originally posted by tgballin
          Sim test with stars relegated to 'bench warmer' role maybe 10 mins per with bulls,thunder,wiz,grizz young studs, at seasons end morale near 0 this is result.

          oj mayo 7.8pts. 1reb .05 assts .05 steal in 15mpg 84 ovr + 4
          r.gay 7.6/2.8/1/.07/.06/15mpg 85 ovr + 2 (despite averaging 12ppg LESS then previous year, PROGRESS yay.)

          john wall 9.7 ppg and 2.5 assts 10 mins per. 86 ovr + 5
          (the same increase on overall as when he was 'star' roty.)

          a.blatche 7.6 ppg 4.2 boards half a steal half a block, 75 ovr+3
          (again, same overall increase despite the drop in production)

          k.durant 14 ppg 4rebs 1.2 asst .5 steal .3 block 94 +2
          russ westbrook 9 ppg 1 reb 2.2 assts in 13.8 mins 84 ovr + 3

          d.rose 13 ppg 3.1 assts 13 mpg (omitted stats or decimals) 88 ovr+3

          j.noah 4.2 ppg 4.1 rebs .08 blocks in 13 mpg. (again same end of year OVR upgrade) 79 ovr + 2 despite droppoffs in EVERYTHING.

          also wilson chandler 5 points 2 boards and decimals in 12 mpg +3 im tired of writing this.

          after year 1 despite the harsh enviroment for a young talent,
          overall was still gained despite significant dropoffs in all stats, p/t and mins, not to mention morale being 0 and -10 points per game average on some occasion.
          Production...These guys had productive years within there role...Not to mention all of those guys have a high POT rating which will increase their ceiling

          Run a test where John Walls shoots 35% 2 APG in 30mins and has alot of TO's...


          Run a test where Rose average 9 ppg in 30 mins

          infact check the metric stats within the game to see if all those players u listed were productive or not

          Also the game doesnt look at 2009....

          Have KD average 30 ppg in 2010 then edited him back to the bench the next year so his production stinks and watch how progression works.
          Last edited by Jukeman; 10-07-2010, 07:21 PM.

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          • pdandy
            Rookie
            • Dec 2009
            • 343

            #185
            Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

            Originally posted by lilkobebigmike
            All right we have addressed the main issues, HCA being my biggest Gripe, in my simulation no team had a winning road record, but come playoff time their were only three game 7s so Who knows, Player Roles is also an issue, along with High Rated rookies and FA Signings....So the question now is how do we get it 2 the DEVS in time 4 the first patch
            I don't know but I think at the least we should make sure we capture all the things that have been discussed so far in this thread so anyone who comes by can get clear/concise view of all the things that are wrong with the mode.
            I also think anything that comes up here should be inserted into the stickied bugs thread. Hopefully OS will pass this on.

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            • DarthRambo
              MVP
              • Mar 2008
              • 6630

              #186
              Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

              Simmed seaso, and the road records for teams are horrible! The Lakers have a 12-29 road record!?!? WTH is that about, seriously?!?

              Here are some other notables:

              Nuggets- 51-31 (17-24 road)

              Clippers- 38-44 (8-33 road) <--- REALLY 2k!? If they suck that bad on the road, they clearly shouldn't win 30 games at home, considering no fans would be there anyway!

              Pacers- 40-42 (11-30 road)

              Cavs- 31-51 (6-35) <---So they win 6 on the road, but a whopping 25 at home with no LBJ ro fill the seats!??!! Ridiculous again

              Heat- 59-23 (22-19 road) <---one of TWO teams with winning road record. So the big 3 can win 37 at home, but manage only 22 on the road? With the likes on the Wizards, bobcats in their division? And let's not get started on the rest of the sad state of the Eastern conference compared to this team.

              Wizards 27-55 (9-32 road) <---This is the best of them all as far as believeability. Doubled that with 18 home wins, i can believe this one.

              Grizzlies 31-51 (4-37 road) <----- WORST ONE PERIOD!! They win 4 lousy games on the road, but at home ohh mna they are dangerous?!? 27 wins at home LOL, this one just blows my mind and all I can do is laugh about it.


              Ok you guys get the point. This OBVIOUSLY is a problem, and HAS to be patched before I start an association. In the meantime I will mes with My Player and the Jordan challenges, as well as quick games against the cpu to get sliders right and test this HCA with games played. If the HCA is obvious with games played then association mode is unplayable for sure at this point. No need to give teams a boost at home. If they suck, they suck.


              oh BTW....no team had a losing record at home either
              https://www.youtube.com/DarthRambo

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              • Birdman
                Rookie
                • Jul 2009
                • 100

                #187
                Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                I wonder if the HCA is a dynamic in other modes too and as strong as well.
                Get that weak stuff outta here!

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                • Gosens6
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 6101

                  #188
                  Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                  Originally posted by Trinity120
                  Simmed seaso, and the road records for teams are horrible! The Lakers have a 12-29 road record!?!? WTH is that about, seriously?!?

                  Here are some other notables:

                  Nuggets- 51-31 (17-24 road)

                  Clippers- 38-44 (8-33 road) <--- REALLY 2k!? If they suck that bad on the road, they clearly shouldn't win 30 games at home, considering no fans would be there anyway!

                  Pacers- 40-42 (11-30 road)

                  Cavs- 31-51 (6-35) <---So they win 6 on the road, but a whopping 25 at home with no LBJ ro fill the seats!??!! Ridiculous again

                  Heat- 59-23 (22-19 road) <---one of TWO teams with winning road record. So the big 3 can win 37 at home, but manage only 22 on the road? With the likes on the Wizards, bobcats in their division? And let's not get started on the rest of the sad state of the Eastern conference compared to this team.

                  Wizards 27-55 (9-32 road) <---This is the best of them all as far as believeability. Doubled that with 18 home wins, i can believe this one.

                  Grizzlies 31-51 (4-37 road) <----- WORST ONE PERIOD!! They win 4 lousy games on the road, but at home ohh mna they are dangerous?!? 27 wins at home LOL, this one just blows my mind and all I can do is laugh about it.


                  Ok you guys get the point. This OBVIOUSLY is a problem, and HAS to be patched before I start an association. In the meantime I will mes with My Player and the Jordan challenges, as well as quick games against the cpu to get sliders right and test this HCA with games played. If the HCA is obvious with games played then association mode is unplayable for sure at this point. No need to give teams a boost at home. If they suck, they suck.


                  oh BTW....no team had a losing record at home either
                  And it's results like this that make me not even want to play the game..

                  If this isn't patched, it's sad to say that i'll be selling this game back.

                  One shining star in these results is that teams are winning and losing an appropriate amount of games, I just don't understand why the HCA is as crazy as it is..

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                  • Fiasco West
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 2820

                    #189
                    Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                    Originally posted by pdandy
                    Yikes, what happened to the 2k10 "if you bench a player they won't develop as fast"? I did an assocation with the Wizards yesterday and like you said he was ROTY and got the same +5.
                    Probably because he has such high potential that he could suffer a bad year or two.

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                    • DarthRambo
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 6630

                      #190
                      Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                      Just for fun, I decided to run this test:


                      Replace Current day Miami Heat with the 1996-1997 Chicago Bulls! Simmed a season, and check this out! LOL


                      I turned OFF player roles, chemistry, CPU trades, and injuries..all OFF

                      96-97 Chicago Bulls(No Miami Heat with LBJ, Wade, Bosh!!):


                      49-33 overall record 33-8 at home, andddd 16-25 on the road. LOL!!!

                      2k screwed this up BIG TIME!! The team, and correct me if I'm wrong on the year. But this is the team that went 72-10! And they can only manage to win 49, and 9 games below .500 on the road!

                      I saw them lose on the road against the Wizards guys, c'mon now, the Wizards?!? Association mode is broken with this mess, hate to say it. But the game is ruined for now until this is fixed.
                      https://www.youtube.com/DarthRambo

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                      • iLLosophy
                        Plata o Plomo
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 3673

                        #191
                        Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                        Hey guys - videos/photos speak louder than words. You want to really draw 2k's attention to it, post visual evidence.

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                        • DarthRambo
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 6630

                          #192
                          Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                          Originally posted by iLLosophy
                          Hey guys - videos/photos speak louder than words. You want to really draw 2k's attention to it, post visual evidence.

                          I dunno how to, nor do I have the equipment to do it. If someone could do what I just did and post pics, that'd be great.
                          https://www.youtube.com/DarthRambo

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                          • tjn122
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 4

                            #193
                            Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                            Any word on the 1 star Trade Value issue? I'm about a month into my Association with the Sixers & I just noticed that everyone on my team has 1 star trade value except for Jrue Holliday (who has 1 1/2). Granted, a lot of the Sixers probably deserve that rating but it still seems a bit harsh.

                            Hopefully it goes away, it's an association killer for me if the CPU is refusing trades like Evan Turner for Joel Anthony.

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                            • DarthRambo
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 6630

                              #194
                              Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                              Originally posted by tjn122
                              Any word on the 1 star Trade Value issue? I'm about a month into my Association with the Sixers & I just noticed that everyone on my team has 1 star trade value except for Jrue Holliday (who has 1 1/2). Granted, a lot of the Sixers probably deserve that rating but it still seems a bit harsh.

                              Hopefully it goes away, it's an association killer for me if the CPU is refusing trades like Evan Turner for Joel Anthony.

                              Evan Turner has a one star trade value??? Def a killer for me too...surely this all will be patched tho, let's just be patient guys
                              https://www.youtube.com/DarthRambo

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                              • Jim Jones
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 344

                                #195
                                Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

                                Originally posted by Trinity120
                                Simmed seaso, and the road records for teams are horrible! The Lakers have a 12-29 road record!?!? WTH is that about, seriously?!?

                                Here are some other notables:

                                Nuggets- 51-31 (17-24 road)

                                Clippers- 38-44 (8-33 road) <--- REALLY 2k!? If they suck that bad on the road, they clearly shouldn't win 30 games at home, considering no fans would be there anyway!

                                Pacers- 40-42 (11-30 road)

                                Cavs- 31-51 (6-35) <---So they win 6 on the road, but a whopping 25 at home with no LBJ ro fill the seats!??!! Ridiculous again

                                Heat- 59-23 (22-19 road) <---one of TWO teams with winning road record. So the big 3 can win 37 at home, but manage only 22 on the road? With the likes on the Wizards, bobcats in their division? And let's not get started on the rest of the sad state of the Eastern conference compared to this team.

                                Wizards 27-55 (9-32 road) <---This is the best of them all as far as believeability. Doubled that with 18 home wins, i can believe this one.

                                Grizzlies 31-51 (4-37 road) <----- WORST ONE PERIOD!! They win 4 lousy games on the road, but at home ohh mna they are dangerous?!? 27 wins at home LOL, this one just blows my mind and all I can do is laugh about it.


                                Ok you guys get the point. This OBVIOUSLY is a problem, and HAS to be patched before I start an association. In the meantime I will mes with My Player and the Jordan challenges, as well as quick games against the cpu to get sliders right and test this HCA with games played. If the HCA is obvious with games played then association mode is unplayable for sure at this point. No need to give teams a boost at home. If they suck, they suck.


                                oh BTW....no team had a losing record at home either
                                KUDOS for testing and posting this. Did the same thing last night and was going to post a similar thing. I got extremely similar results.

                                Association Mode, as currently constructed..is BROKEN. THIS MUST BE PATCHED
                                Last edited by Jim Jones; 10-07-2010, 08:48 PM.
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