Why Do You People like this Game?

[The 24th Letter]

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I dont know if I can take you seriously because i wasn't saying what you thought dude and you are being really pathetic? Yes games get better. You do realize this right? next year if EA does the right things live 2010 will most likely be better than 09. That's pretty logical. I dont see what is so complicated there. That's pretty close minded and really immature for a mod of a forum. Maybe you should ban yourself for personal insults. You guys obviously have a serious grudge. you hold onto posts to make someone out to be something they aren't dude....... seriously think about that sometime. That's kind of pathetic.

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man, your not making any sense lol
you have flipped flopped alot...but thats your perogative....thats all you have to say...dont play the "mods picking on me" card.

please.

[DakkoN]

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I don't know if you only see what you want to see or what, but you are basically seeing things in my posts that are simply not there. Nobody is holding onto anything, it's as simple as two mouse clicks to see your post history. Fact is that 6 weeks ago you made a thread saying that 2K9 was the best game ever. 2 weeks ago you made a post saying that Live is only worth a rental. And now you are saying that Live has passed 2K. Make up your mind. It's the same game and hasn't changed. If you can't decide which one is better, stop making threads and posts stating which one is, because it's clearly obvious that you are currently unsure which one is the better game.

[Walker8]

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man, your not making any sense lol
you have flipped flopped alot...but thats your perogative....thats all you have to say...dont play the "mods picking on me" card.

please.

I'm not playing any card.. I just have no idea what is wrong with liking one game and then liking another. These are video games right? They are meant to be enjoyed? Yeah i realize its a mouse click away but why do that at all? Are you really telling me that you didnt hold on that for weeks dude? Why??? That post was months ago...... You are thinking i'm saying something in my posts that isnt there. Yes I like video games. I wouldnt be here if i didnt. I love video games. Shame on me.

I dont expect people to take me that seriously. We are talking abotu video games here. I like Live and i stated why and how am I wrong there?

[jtdribbles25]

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Possibly. Whats wrong with that?

nothing at all...best of both worlds

[The 24th Letter]

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I'm not playing any card.. I just have no idea what is wrong with liking one game and then liking another. These are video games right? They are meant to be enjoyed? Yeah i realize its a mouse click away but why do that at all? Are you really telling me that you didnt hold on that for weeks dude? That post was months ago...... You are thinking i'm saying something in my posts that isnt there.

Thats what I meant, its your choice and theres nothing wrong with it...I mean going from "best game ever" to "boring engine" is pretty funny man lol but its not illegal. do you.....

[Walker8]

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Thats what I meant, its your choice and theres nothing wrong with it...I mean going from "best game ever" to "boring engine" is pretty funny man lol but its not illegal. do you.....

Yeah it was great. I played the heck out of it and it got predictable and i got live and its holding my interest more. That's what happens with these games. I know its funny but this whole conversation is at this point. Like I said I like videogames and yeah if im really enjoying a game i say things like this game is great. A lot of people said what i did about 2k9. It's a great game. But then i played live and i like it better lol. I just think you guys have been holding onto that a bit much is all. It really was not that big a deal. I'd say i was wrong but i really did like 2k9. I also really like live better. I'm sorry. Do i really have to explain that?

[Walker8]

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Honestly back on topic what am I saying that is wrong about Live or 2k for that matter? You guys are trying to make me out to be some idiot who doesn't know what I'm talking about. I happen to have played both games extensively this year and I tend tot hink I know what I'm talking about. If you spent as much time with both games as I did, you might see what I'm saying. Live really from an AI perspective is much more challenging, realistic and does certain things that 2k9 does not. The defense for one is much tougher and actually forces you to move the ball and actually try to outsmart the AI. DNA is also a huge factor in this game and the control and base animations are also very good. You can tell the engine in this game is superior and if you spend time with it you might notice these things. There is an adjustment in control but once you get the hang of live its very fluid.

I'm not knocking 2k9 either, nor do i want to turn this into a live vs 2k9 thread because that's not what this guy asked and i'll just get accused of that as well. I actually stand by a lot of things i said. Because i do think in a lot of ways 2k9 is more true to the nba as far as how players look and how players move, set up etc. 2k9 is a great game and it looks real in a lot of ways. But after you play it for some time you do notice the flaws in the AI. There really is very little defensive resistance in the paint. If you push the AI at all, the pace of the game is just too fast and there is very little spacing. The AI is also very scripted in certain regards. I just think Live does things better that 2k9 doesn't. Neither game is perfect and I wish Live would tune up their online play for sure but this guy asked why I like this game and this is why.

[jtdribbles25]

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Yeah it was great. I played the heck out of it and it got predictable and i got live and its holding my interest more. That's what happens with these games. I know its funny but this whole conversation is at this point. Lie I said I like videogames and yeah if im really enjoying a game i say things like this game is great. A lot of people said what i did about 2k9. It's a great game. But then i played live and i like it better lol. I just think you guys have been holding onto that a bit much is all. It really was not that big a deal. I'd say i was wrong but i really did like 2k9. I also really like live better. I'm sorry. Do i really have to explain that?

you don't have to explain anything. but you do understand that you are on a message board in which your words are the only thing you really have to be judged by. you are all over the map with the things you've said so it's hard to take you seriously. you should've never made that 2k post, if you hadn't played live yet to even make such a statement. and you are being called out for it. just understand that and move on.

[Walker8]

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you don't have to explain anything. but you do understand that you are on a message board in which your words are the only thing you really have to be judged by. you are all over the map with the things you've said so it's hard to take you seriously. you should've never made that 2k post, if you hadn't played live yet to even make such a statement. and you are being called out for it. just understand that and move on.

Yeah but you are calling out someone who isn't like you guys think lol. I actually played both games and have the capacity to see both sides and i'm being called out for that like its a bad thing? BEcause i can admit when i was wrong about certain things about a game? I think in that post i even said 2k9 was not perfect and there were things wrong with it but it was the best bball game ive played and it was. I then played live and saw the things that live does better. I tend to think you are knocking someone for the wrong things........ I'm not biased and i can see things for what they are and have teh capacity to do that. Some people hold onto 2k and fail to see what live does better and bash people because they are biased closeminded *******s and those are the people you should be calling out. Moving on......

[jtdribbles25]

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Yeah but you are calling out someone who isn't like you guys think lol. I actually played both games and have the capacity to see both sides and i'm being called out for that like its a bad thing? BEcause i can admit when i was wrong about certain things about a game? I think in that post i even said 2k9 was not perfect and there were things wrong with it but it was the best bball game ive played and it was. I then played live and saw the things that live does better. I tend to think you are knocking someone for the wrong things........ I'm not biased and i can see things for what they are and have teh capacity to do that. Some people hold onto 2k and fail to see what live does better and bash people because they are biased *******s and those are the people you should be calling out. Moving on......

Im not calling you out at all man. it's cool. Im just saying that you should be able to see what perspective people are seeing from you. I actually appreciate your last post because you gave some actual feedback instead of just saying "this is better". I've posted some of the things about live that I liked about it too, looong ago. I just don't see how you guys are overlooking the things I stated earlier as if they don't exist. but it's cool, man. I have a game that I paid for because I always buy both, always. And Im not seeing what others whose opinions I respected are. Not trying to offend or insult anyone. Just trying to get my money's worth.

[dave374]

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Hey kids ... 90210 is on the CW right now.

[Walker8]

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lol. that was actually funny.

[Walker8]

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Im not calling you out at all man. it's cool. Im just saying that you should be able to see what perspective people are seeing from you. I actually appreciate your last post because you gave some actual feedback instead of just saying "this is better". I've posted some of the things about live that I liked about it too, looong ago. I just don't see how you guys are overlooking the things I stated earlier as if they don't exist. but it's cool, man. I have a game that I paid for because I always buy both, always. And Im not seeing what others whose opinions I respected are. Not trying to offend or insult anyone. Just trying to get my money's worth.

I have no issue with you at all JT or anyone for that matter. You have been nothing but fair and unbiased with your posts. I do think these are video games we are talking about and you can only take what someone says only so seriously. I think the internet is messed up sometimes because you have no clue who you are talking to half the time and trying to explain things is a lesson in futility half the time. Then these things get off topic and its stupid. I was actually on topic here until a mod made a personal comment.... The thing is i normally wouldnt care and its all cool, but then i get blamed for something i never did and it gets stupid after a while.

I just think it's sort of a joke that people take things out of context to make someone out to be something they aren't. And hang onto a post for over a month. Did I say 2k9 was the greatest that ever will be?? No i didnt.. I even said there were problems with it in that thread and i played live and like it better, because i didn't say what people are saying i did.

[Da_Czar]

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When I first got it, I thought this game was pretty good. A month later, this game gets worse every day I play it as there are so many issues with it, it's ridiculous.

This year, I've noticed a lot of guys on here switching from 2K9 to this, and most of you love this game. Why? This game by far doesn't represent real NBA Basketball as well as its competition

While it has improved drastically, Live is no way near on the level of 2K9. I'm not making this thread to bash Live, or to make it a 2K9 vs. Live discussion, but I just want to know why do you people like this game so much?

Here are some of my gripes with Live:

Defense(mostly online) is non existent. Don't give me the whole, "You need to practice in the NBA Academy" stuff. Someone can quickstrike until they get into the paint all day.

Pick and Roll Control(Post-Patch) is so broken right now. It can just be my game that does this, but when I use pick and roll control, 80% of the time when I try to pass it, it doesn't pass to the person who set the pick. I just loss an online game in crunch time because LeBron decided to make a cross court pass to Delonte West after Ilgaulskas set the pick.


Rebounding is broken. In a game against the Lakers I just played, I had excellent position to get the rebound countless times, but somehow Derek Fisher and Kobe managed to get offensive rebounds on me like crazy and they were behind me. Thos was actually the case with all the Lakers players but Fisher and Kobe getting some was what did it for me.


Coaching Settings is broken. After noticing the rebounnding issue, I called time-out and but my coaching sliders all the way down to box-out. NOTHING CHANGED. Then in an online game I played, I put the settings all the way down to get back because some cheeser was throwing it down court every possession for easy lay-ups and dunks. My players still didn't get back after making those changes.


Free-throws are too easy.(Pre- and Post-Patch) I mean really EA, did you guys have to make shooting free-throws so much easier?!?!? I swear you are mentally ******** if you don't shoot 100% from the line in every game no matter whose the free-throw shooter. When playing online, there's no reason to intentional foul late in games.


The gameplay is just soooo sluggish! I hate being sucked in to my defender every time he's by me. The CPU always plays tight D on the ballhandler and it just wastes shot clock time trying to get them off of me.

I have many more issues with this game, but I'm kinda tired of typing right now so I'm taking a break. Anyways, just tell me why you guys like this game so much.

In reality its all about what is important to us as individual gamers AND how we each as individuals play the game, AND how we each translate in our own minds our vision of the NBA experience into what we see from each game.

For every thing you mentioned someone may be able to point out just as big a list with 2k. The only thing is it probably would be different things that are important to us that 2k may not do as well.

Every single one of us makes allowances for the game we prefer to play. That is just how it is. We will consciously not put the engine in situations it does not handle well.

Some people are into testing a game engine far more than playing it. Like for instance jtdribbles my man is thorough. Some of the things he tries like putting rad at point I personally would not because that doesn't represent real basketball to me. But its a way for him to see if the subtle differences that represent basketball to him are fixed in this engine.

So he is going to see something I won't becasue I am not testing the engine I am playing the game.

I said this a few years ago that if we were able to see extended video on how each of us plays the game and then see their complaints we would be like OKAY I see why you think ....this or that.

The one truth is that live is not as deep as 2k9 there is no debating this and some people equate gameplay or sim with a complete experience. No one here can debate that, but these games are on different levels.

2k is a sliding mess and even if you LOVE the game you can't deny that. So you make an allowance and everything that sits on top of that fact is effected but you are able to say okay I will sacrifice that for all the things that I like.

So a game like live with no sliding may not move as smoothly as 2k but some will overlook some of the smoothness issues to play a game that feels like next gen. So that is where an allowance is made on that side.

I would venture to say that most people who see the genius in live are struck by a deep sense of authenticity in the actual gameplay department. Let me be specific because gameplay can be defined in so many different ways.

Gameplay for me in how live is better and more authentic is this. The players in nba live are in the same positions they are in the real nba becaue live has real team sets. this means that in real life bosh gets the ball a ton at the high post. Whether he is scoring or playing off someone else.

In live he is in that position all the time. and takes shots from there all the time. In fact some of the exact plays they run in real live you can run in live.

Sliders or no sliders 2k can not replicate this because of the generic nature of their playcalling system and playbooks. In fact lives variation systems offers a much more alive cpu in this particular aspect that makes it hard to go back to playing a generic system with generic plays that are not found in most nba playbooks.

I look at it briefly in this manner.

Live is more realistic in getting the right players in the right positions to make the right plays. 2k is better once your players get the ball they will act more like you think they should and have a crap load of options once they get it to look like and play the individuals they are..

So it depends on what you focus on and how you play as to which game is not only better but more authentic.

So if someone doesn't play online they may not even notice the things that frustrate you to no end. But conversely the things you may not notice in 2k will drive another person absolutely bonkers.

2k is more mature and complete but EA is more accurate due to DNA. So what happens when the accuracy of EA meets the variability of animations and play styles ?

that is what we will all have the option to answer in 2010.

[PVarck31]

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but you didn't say anything. thanks.

What do you want me to say man? Do you want to know why I like it more? The answer is I really don't know, I just do. Its more fun to me than 2k. Sorry if that bothers you.