How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

[dat swag]

Re: How Do You All Feel About The Auto Post Up?

This right here means the defense lacks some attention. There are too many times when your player on defense or offense just flat out does not do want you want them to do. It's taking away control from the user. Some like it and some don't. If this is where sports games are heading...I'm not sure if I'm ready for the ride. This is why I play videogames, give me the control don't let the cpu decide these situations for me. This auto post up/auto contact thing, I am just not liking it.

WE can't have it both ways...If you want great animations then Some )not all) of the control has to be sacrificed. 2K is a prime example of Excellent Animations but little control. EA on the other hand gave alot of control previously but was harshly criticized for the lack and quality of their animations.

I'm OK with a delicate balance because I want great animations and great control but with all things in life there will have to be some give and take. I don't have a problem with the auto post up because it occurs when its appropriate and it can be initiated by me when I want it so I don't know if its accurate to say its an Auto Post up...Its really not Auto when I can make it happen. EA just eliminated an unnecessary button/trigger push/press. Change is always hard for people...I personally like new control schemes and aspects about a game that make me learn something new. Once we get used to it its likely one of those things that most will never want to go back to. I;m more concerned about the strategy and how can my knowledge of the sport/game effect the outcome. As long as a sports game adheres to the cerebral part of the game I'm happy

[JkA3]

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I'm not loving the auto post up. It takes away manueverability. With the prevalent "steal in the paint issue", its tough to get in position to workout a solid post play. Bigs should be stealing the ball the way they are, especially with such high rates of sucess.

I would love to see "at least" the stealing in the paint toned down for PFs and Cs, or there be a post up button incorporated somehow. In a perfect world both would be better.

With that said, I am really enjoying the game.

[videobastard]

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After playing the demo some more the game definitely needs a manually post up button for the perimeter play. The game feels unfinished untill this is patched in.

[Rocboyz101]

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Post up is pretty easy for me now. I can initiate it anywhere inside the 3pt line.

[dat swag]

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I'm not loving the auto post up. It takes away manueverability. With the prevalent "steal in the paint issue", its tough to get in position to workout a solid post play. Bigs should be stealing the ball the way they are, especially with such high rates of sucess.

I would love to see "at least" the stealing in the paint toned down for PFs and Cs, or there be a post up button incorporated somehow. In a perfect world both would be better.

With that said, I am really enjoying the game.

Getting ripped in the paint is only an issue if your trying to Camp out with the man your posting up with...You can't expect to back a guy down and be able bang 10 times until you get a shot...Also most of the rips in the paint are due to a double team so you need to be looking for where the double is coming from and hit the open man for the J

I dunno...alot of the complaints I'm seeing in here are more or less B-ball 101 issues where people have gotten so used to playing VIDEOGAME Basketball that now that EA has added some reality/simulation to many important areas of the game people just can't/won't adjust.

Its real simple...If your getting ripped in the paint...Make your move quicker or kick out to an open player...If your getting ripped on the perimeter...Stop dribbling so damn much and distribute the ball through offensive sets. Now the issue I see that can be somewhat annoying is not being able to swat the shot of the PG when he comes into the paint area...That seems a little off to me...Otherwise most other aspects of this game are solid.

IMO The auto post-up eliminates that cheesy LT post move that was pretty much MONEY all day in prior LIVES. Holding the LT then spinning off the defender for a dunk was GARBAGE...Just as the MONEY pick and roll. At least now you have to find varied ways to score

[Rocboyz101]

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The only problem I have with getting ripped is when I make the slightest contact with the defender even at the 3pt line, they randomly take it. I'd rather them make you pick up your dribble. There goes another slider I have to adjust..

[CMH]

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The only problem I have with getting ripped is when I make the slightest contact with the defender even at the 3pt line, they randomly take it. I'd rather them make you pick up your dribble. There goes another slider I have to adjust..

Your last sentence. That's going to be a slider adjustment for people. I don't think there is any way the Live team could know how people will feel about it.

Some will want to lose the more often, others will think it happens too often.

I know people get tired of sliders, but some things need them. And with so many people possessing different skills behind the sticks and perceiving the game of basketball differently, it's a necessary evil.

[23]

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Its not aother slider to adjust dude its not like that in the final from the videos we saw

Check out Pasta's video or Mike's video he made for us

[CMH]

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This right here means the defense lacks some attention. There are too many times when your player on defense or offense just flat out does not do want you want them to do. It's taking away control from the user. Some like it and some don't. If this is where sports games are heading...I'm not sure if I'm ready for the ride. This is why I play videogames, give me the control don't let the cpu decide these situations for me. This auto post up/auto contact thing, I am just not liking it.

I get it. I really do.

It's a tough balance because a part of me feels that a player should automatically know how to play defense. I hate having to press a button to tell a guy that it's time to body the post-up player or to get into a crouch. That's just obvious. I consider it as obvious as dribbling the basketball and thank goodness we don't have to repeatedly press the x button just to dribble the ball - imagine how crazy that would be.

But, right now, we're not seeing that quick recognition so frustration occurs and people want that control - the CPU is simply not responding quick enough or not recognizing when it should get into either defensive sets.

That's a problem. I agree with that. I think you would agree that if defensive players reacted to offensive situations in a realistic manner (ie: body the post up player instantly, legally hand check when defending a dribbler) then you'd be satisfied. It would be one less thing to worry about on defense because you shouldn't have to worry about that sort of thing. It's really elementary to have the user control that aspect of the game.

Now offensively, it gets a little bit more complicated and that's why I agree that there should be a post-up button on offense. There's no real way for the AI to know what you want your player to do on offense. Offense is about creation so you need control to create, whereas defense is about reaction/movement so you should be mostly concerned with reacting to the offense's movement and/or assuming the movement and acting accordingly (bodying up the post player, putting a hand up on the shot attempt, or legally hand checking the dribbler should not be our concern as the user. Every player should already know how to do this. Every player does it. To tell the player to do those things is rather silly when that player should just do it). But moving side to side, closing the gap, jumping up for a block; that should be on the user.

Now, the only way I would accept the lack of a post-up button (or perhaps compromise with having it both auto and user-controlled) is if post-up percentage was an attribute or a strong part of DNA (not sure if it is).

So, for example, maybe a guy like Jamal Crawford doesn't post up so the AI would never have him do it. It's not within his game and we are moving toward signature animations and movement, right? So having Crawford post-up would work against that idea. However, a Kobe Bryant should post up when on the wing. Maybe he doesn't do it all the time, but if his rating says he should do it, I don't know, let's say 54% of the time, then he should do it about that often when the user moves him in the wing. And this should happen for both the User and CPU.

I'm not sure if this is already happening and it just needs to be tuned better.

[Court_vision]

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I've started to get used to it...and I don't mind it now.

It is possible to back down + you need position, which is realisitic. Nice balance between being aggressive and getting called for offensive fouls.

Nice.

[Rocboyz101]

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Its not aother slider to adjust dude its not like that in the final from the videos we saw

Check out Pasta's video or Mike's video he made for us

Its not gonna be like that in the final? Niceeee.

[fjccommish]

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One problem with adjusting so many sliders is the game gets to the point that I feel like anything I do is because of the sliders, not my play. If I win a game, the thought is I won because the sliders were set to make it too easy.

In Dynasty maybe I have a good team when they win the championship, or maybe the sliders are set to make it too easy.

[bizcanos]

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I've started to get used to it...and I don't mind it now.

It is possible to back down + you need position, which is realisitic. Nice balance between being aggressive and getting called for offensive fouls.

Nice.

I am not saying it's not possible. I just think the way it's done is not all that real. I feel like you have to find contact rather that initiating it. It's seems as if the way it is now..the offensive player always reacts to the defender rather than the defender reacting to you. It's like...ok now I am going to get into my body up position..annnnd..now it's ok for you to post up.

It's been fun debating this...I will now wait and see what 2K has to offer.

[Ballatician]

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One problem with adjusting so many sliders is the game gets to the point that I feel like anything I do is because of the sliders, not my play. If I win a game, the thought is I won because the sliders were set to make it too easy.

Exactly!

[HMcCoy]

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I've started to get used to it...and I don't mind it now.

It is possible to back down + you need position, which is realisitic. Nice balance between being aggressive and getting called for offensive fouls.

Nice.

Yeah...I really like how you can pick up offensive fouls on the blocks, and also out on the floor if you don't watch where you're going.