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  • ehh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 28959

    #121
    Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

    I used the custom CPU playbooks for two games and it's definitely as good as advertised. The stagnant, boring and predictable CPU offense is completely gone.

    In the first game I used the post-heavy playbook for my UConn game against G'Town (they should probably use the perimeter playbook but I wanted to see how involved Monroe would get using the post one) and Sims and Monroe each had decent games. Maybe it was the play calling that randomly called more plays for Sims (my rotations are a little screwed up for G'Town I guess as well, Sims played a lot) and he ended up with a nice game with 11 points and 10 boards. Monroe had 8 points and 7 boards but also had more FGA's which is good but he only took 9 and I believe Sims took 6. It would be nice to see those bigs getting more FGA's, but I'm sure their individual tendencies play a role as well.

    As for the rest of G'Town, their perimeter game was horrible. As a team they shot 29% and were 0-18 from downtown, gotta love the 2K8 'ice cold' games you get from time to time. I was up by as many as 19 and won by 13. On 15 minutes it was a brutal game, 51-38 final.

    Koshi, do you find that teams shoot a poorer percentage on jumpshots when using the post-heavy playbook? I don't know if this is an isolated incident or what, obviously can't tell after one game.

    My second game was at home against Providence, giving them the perimeter playbook. I got off to a huge start, up 17-4 and was really rolling. Then PC caught fire from deep, making up for the G'Town game perhaps! They hit three straight triples to to make it a four point game but I regained control and took a double digit lead into the locker room.

    I was holding a 9-12 point advantage for the first part of the second half but then PC put together a helluva run and eventually took a one point lead with under 2:00 to go. I attacked the rim and hit four FT's with my guards, but PC hit a three and a lay up to go up one with about a minute left. I called the PG-C pick and roll play on the wing and hit Thabeet on the roll for a huge two handed dunk that shook the screen (love that feature) because it game me a one point lead. After a stop I had the ball with :40 left so I was going to need to take one more shot. PC played great D and I forced up a 15 footer with Price that was off the mark but Thabeet grabbed the offensive board and slammed home another two handed dunk. PC rushed down and got the ball to Jeff Xavier (who had 21 points and was 5-8 from three) but his triple at the buzzer hit the front rim.

    PC hit 7/15 three's and shot 46% for the game, good stuff. Jeff Xavier was definitely their go-to guy and they made it a point to find him frequently.

    It was definitely one of the best games I've had in a long time in 2K8. So long story short, the perimeter playbook worked great and the post one was so-so. Hopefully the next time I use it I'll see some better results. But even using the post playbook, the CPU's offense was much more crisp now that the craptacular plays have been weeded out.
    Last edited by ehh; 01-18-2009, 04:22 AM.
    "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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    • spit_bubble
      MVP
      • Nov 2004
      • 3292

      #122
      Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

      "...against G'Town (they should probably use the perimeter playbook but I wanted to see how involved Monroe would get using the post one)..."

      I was thinking of creating a specific high post playbook for the Hoyas since their offense is unique, but it's not that big a deal for me.

      "...Koshi, do you find that teams shoot a poorer percentage on jumpshots when using the post-heavy playbook?"

      They might... Because it seems CPU jumpshots are more effective when in a "scripted" play. So it might be good to add just a few perimeter plays to the low post playbook.

      I actually only have one CPU custom playbook that I use now, with plays for all positions... And I occasionally don't even use it, or set the CPU to use All Plays, so that there is some variety.
      All ties severed...

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      • hazey
        Pro
        • Mar 2008
        • 723

        #123
        Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

        Great thread. I wish I would have ran into this earlier.

        I don't want to derail ya'lls current topic, but can someone maybe briefly explain the player tendencies portion? Is it ratio based? If a guy has a 3 point tendency of 80, does he take 80% of his teams 3 pointers, or how exactly is that set up?

        I'm loving coach mode, and I'm trying to get my better players more involved, and my worse players not. Not sure if I should go crazy with editing everyones tendencies or just exaggerate the ones I want to get into.

        Does tendencies change every year? Do ya'll change your tendencies every year?

        Or are they irrelevant?

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        • BFavre4MVP
          Rookie
          • May 2006
          • 56

          #124
          Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

          Phenomenal thread. Keep up the great work.

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          • Jukeman
            Showtime
            • Aug 2005
            • 10955

            #125
            Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

            Originally posted by hazey
            Great thread. I wish I would have ran into this earlier.

            I don't want to derail ya'lls current topic, but can someone maybe briefly explain the player tendencies portion? Is it ratio based? If a guy has a 3 point tendency of 80, does he take 80% of his teams 3 pointers, or how exactly is that set up?

            I'm loving coach mode, and I'm trying to get my better players more involved, and my worse players not. Not sure if I should go crazy with editing everyones tendencies or just exaggerate the ones I want to get into.

            Does tendencies change every year? Do ya'll change your tendencies every year?

            Or are they irrelevant?
            I personally don't touch tendencies(except for the top 13 HSAA) becuz they do change every year so they may get inflated if you exaggerate them especially if the player is a freshman, tendencies makes players unique from each other and it's not really ratio base, but the guy with a 80 for 3pt will chuck it...one thing that makes coach mode so fun is that you have to actually coach these guys, fine or even create some plays to get your go to guys more involved...Also if you got a chucker who is not a great shooter, bench his *** or work on his jump shooting game thru the training mode

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            • crques
              All Star
              • Apr 2004
              • 5045

              #126
              Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

              Lovin' this thread but to save me from having to go back and search for it, can someone tell me how to do a reverse layup? Thanks.

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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28959

                #127
                Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                Shot stick away from the hoop.
                "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                • crques
                  All Star
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 5045

                  #128
                  Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                  Originally posted by ehh
                  Shot stick away from the hoop.
                  Thanks

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                  • ty5oke
                    87%
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 2912

                    #129
                    Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                    How do I set up the CPU to use all plays?
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                    • spit_bubble
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 3292

                      #130
                      Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                      Originally posted by crques
                      Lovin' this thread but to save me from having to go back and search for it, can someone tell me how to do a reverse layup? Thanks.
                      Originally posted by ty5oke
                      How do I set up the CPU to use all plays?
                      You can not only search individual forums, but also individual threads.

                      Now I could answer your questions, but that would only be robbing you of self empowerment.

                      Also... There are a few different ways to do reverse layups, as mentioned in this thread.

                      Seek and ye shall find.
                      All ties severed...

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                      • ty5oke
                        87%
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 2912

                        #131
                        Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                        Found it...Thanks Koshi

                        Originally posted by koshi
                        You can assign them to either team (or both teams) before the game by pressing the options button at the team select screen, making sure you load the playbooks from the main menu first.

                        I don't think you can assign them to coaches, but the pregame method serves the same function.
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                        • DC
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 17996

                          #132
                          Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                          For tendencies; I hate the fact that CH doesn't have a SHOT tendency.

                          For 3's I use the 3PA per 40 min for each player. Draft Express has all of this information - http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?tid=1

                          For Drive; Perimeter players I use their FTA/40 mins
                          Big Men = FTA/40 mins / 2 (half)


                          Fouls = Fouls per 40 mins

                          Mid range and close I adjust per position and scoring average and I also look at the 2PA/40 mins.

                          Small guards I usually put them on the low end for close range.

                          Example; for Stephen Curry - http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.ph...on&league=NCAA

                          Tendencies
                          3's = 99 (Shoots 11.8 per 40 mins)
                          Drive = 85 (8.5 FTA per 40 mins)
                          Midrange = 99 (Just because he is a high scorer)
                          Close = I keep adjusting this until I get him around 29 PPG. I think I currently have it at 35 for him.
                          Foul = 27

                          Fouls = Fouls per 40 mins
                          Concrete evidence/videos please

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                          • Cardot
                            I'm not on InstantFace.
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6164

                            #133
                            Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                            I have a question about the bonus training drills and pep talks in dynasty mode. Let me preface this by saying I am an old guy. I like to play the games through a season, and then start over with another team. I don't get into recruiting, or "development" or practicing etc.

                            With that being said, my current team was struggling, so I tried some of the bonus drills and gave some pep talks after one game. All of a sudden I was beating teams by 20.....The game was getting too easy and I even had to touch up a few sliders(really didn't want to open that Pandora's box). So my question is, do the bonus drills/pep talks have a dramatic effect on player attributes? Or was it just an anomoly/coincidence?

                            My regular season is winding down and my team has started struggling again. The team needs a boost, but I don't want the team to get so jacked up that I waltz my way to the title.

                            Thanks!

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                            • Jukeman
                              Showtime
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 10955

                              #134
                              Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                              Originally posted by Cardot
                              I have a question about the bonus training drills and pep talks in dynasty mode. Let me preface this by saying I am an old guy. I like to play the games through a season, and then start over with another team. I don't get into recruiting, or "development" or practicing etc.

                              With that being said, my current team was struggling, so I tried some of the bonus drills and gave some pep talks after one game. All of a sudden I was beating teams by 20.....The game was getting too easy and I even had to touch up a few sliders(really didn't want to open that Pandora's box). So my question is, do the bonus drills/pep talks have a dramatic effect on player attributes? Or was it just an anomoly/coincidence?

                              My regular season is winding down and my team has started struggling again. The team needs a boost, but I don't want the team to get so jacked up that I waltz my way to the title.

                              Thanks!
                              Can't speak on bonus drills but pep talks boost the player's confindence which gives them rating boost during the game, mostly to the shooting ratings....

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                              • Cardot
                                I'm not on InstantFace.
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 6164

                                #135
                                Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

                                Originally posted by juk34man
                                Can't speak on bonus drills but pep talks boost the player's confindence which gives them rating boost during the game, mostly to the shooting ratings....
                                Have you found they made a big difference on the court?

                                Actually, one my of problems was a SG who had a high 3pt rating, but I could never hit 3's with him. So I gave him the pep talk and did a 3pt drill with him. After that he couldn't miss......Or again, might have just been a placebo affect on my part or perhaps a coincidence????

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