Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

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  • gin
    Rookie
    • Dec 2004
    • 314

    #16
    Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

    Originally posted by Kashanova
    Losing?!??! they made the playoffs he had no excuse this year if thats the case

    reason is a horrible move is look at what houston is giving for swift, and what the lakers are its a big difference, just in case let me sort it out for u

    Atkins and Butler combined for 29.1 points 8.2 rebounds and 6.3 assists
    kwame brown last year in a winning season avg 7 points 4.9 rebs and .9 assits

    so the lakers lose 22 points, 3.3 rebs and 5 assits

    Now the rockets sign swift via free angecy so they gain
    Combine Odom, Butler and Grant's numbers and compare them to Shaq's numbers and Miami made a horrible trade right?? You can't compare trades like that.

    The Lakers needed size and with all the SF's they have (Odom, Jones, Walton, George), Butler was expendable. Atkins is a horrible defensive player so it probably helps our team for him to be gone.

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    • ex carrabba fan
      I'll thank him for you
      • Oct 2004
      • 32744

      #17
      Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

      Originally posted by Kashanova
      Wats so difficult? arenas and huges aren't forwards. if you wanna use that i can say well swift early years playing wit SAR and Bibby stoped his development, then playing wit gasol, williams, messed him up then the addition of wells did it even worst so if your gonna use arenas and hughes as excuses you can do the same for swift
      arenes and hughes are not forwards, you are correct.

      his situation in dc was difficult, coming into the league out of HS.. having the greatest player of all time ripping you, as well as you head coach.. then with this past season, getting no PT and having two guards who dominate the ball on the offensive end.

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #18
        Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

        Originally posted by gin
        Combine Odom, Butler and Grant's numbers and compare them to Shaq's numbers and Miami made a horrible trade right?? You can't compare trades like that.

        The Lakers needed size and with all the SF's they have (Odom, Jones, Walton, George), Butler was expendable. Atkins is a horrible defensive player so it probably helps our team for him to be gone.
        dudes amazing huh?

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        • ex carrabba fan
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          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #19
          Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

          Originally posted by mvb34
          David Aldrige (sp) Said so on local sports talk show..
          oh alright then. i believe that brown did not ever learn the offense.

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          • mvb34
            S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
            • Jul 2002
            • 8138

            #20
            Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

            Originally posted by mrs. carraba
            arenes and hughes are not forwards, you are correct.

            his situation in dc was difficult, coming into the league out of HS.. having the greatest player of all time ripping you, as well as you head coach.. then with this past season, getting no PT and having two guards who dominate the ball on the offensive end.
            I agree on your first part but Heywood go shots in the offensive when Ethan was health he got touches can't blame Arenes and Hughes..
            http://www.twitch.tv/mikecharles34

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            • mvb34
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              • Jul 2002
              • 8138

              #21
              Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

              Originally posted by mrs. carraba
              oh alright then. i believe that brown did not ever learn the offense.
              I trust his knowlege and getting basketball information more then lets a messageboard.
              http://www.twitch.tv/mikecharles34

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              • ex carrabba fan
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                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #22
                Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                Originally posted by mvb34
                I agree on your first part but Heywood go shots in the offensive when Ethan was health he got touches can't blame Arenes and Hughes..
                defintely not entirely the guards fault, my main point originally, is that if you compare the two situations between swift and brown, its appearent that brown's was more difficult in DC.

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                • gin
                  Rookie
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 314

                  #23
                  Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                  Originally posted by mvb34
                  I agree on your first part but Heywood go shots in the offensive when Ethan was health he got touches can't blame Arenes and Hughes..
                  Man, the Wizards had alot of offensive firepower last year and Brown was way down the list in the pecking order.
                  Arenas, Hughes, Jamison etc..... I think there was like 6 or 7 guys that took more shots per game than Brown last year.

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                  • Kashanova
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 12695

                    #24
                    Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                    Originally posted by gin
                    Combine Odom, Butler and Grant's numbers and compare them to Shaq's numbers and Miami made a horrible trade right?? You can't compare trades like that.

                    The Lakers needed size and with all the SF's they have (Odom, Jones, Walton, George), Butler was expendable. Atkins is a horrible defensive player so it probably helps our team for him to be gone.
                    ok if thats the case we will compare the trade next year and see the win production the heat gain wins and the lakers lost wins

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                    • Kashanova
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 12695

                      #25
                      Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                      Originally posted by gin
                      Man, the Wizards had alot of offensive firepower last year and Brown was way down the list in the pecking order.
                      Arenas, Hughes, Jamison etc..... I think there was like 6 or 7 guys that took more shots per game than Brown last year.
                      There's a reason why. IF your not good your not gonna get the ball, if you don't know the offense your not gonna get the ball plain and simple and when he did get the ball he barely did anything anyways

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                      • ex carrabba fan
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                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #26
                        Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                        Originally posted by Kashanova
                        There's a reason why. IF your not good your not gonna get the ball, if you don't know the offense your not gonna get the ball plain and simple and when he did get the ball he barely did anything anyways
                        ok, i refuse to think brown is "not good".

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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
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                          #27
                          Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                          Originally posted by mrs. carraba
                          ok, i refuse to think brown is "not good".
                          Has he proven he is? Why do the people in his team rip him? to be a bad guy come on lets be serious.

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                          • Programmed2Kill
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 14644

                            #28
                            Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                            Originally posted by gin
                            I'm a little confused here.

                            Help me out.

                            The Rockets picked up Stromile Swift and everybody thinks it's a good signing.

                            The Lakers picked up Kwame Brown and they get ripped for it.

                            Stromile Swift #2 overall pick in 2000
                            00-01 4.9 PPG 3.6 RPG 16.4 MPG
                            01-02 11.8 PPG 6.3 RPG 26.5 MPG
                            02-03 9.7 PPG 5.7 RPG 22.1 MPG
                            03-04 9.4 PPG 4.9 RPG 19.8 MPG
                            04-05 10.1 PPG 4.6 RPG 21.3 MPG
                            Career 9.0 PPG 5.0 RPG 21 MPG

                            Kwame Brown #1 overall pick in 2001
                            01-02 4.5 PPG 3.5 RPG 14.3 MPG
                            02-03 7.4 PPG 5.3 RPG 22.2 MPG
                            03-04 10.9 PPG 7.4 RPG 30.3 MPG
                            04-05 7.0 PPG 4.9 RPG 21.6 MPG
                            Career 7.7 PPG 5.50 RPG 20 MPG

                            They are basically the same player. Swift averages a little more points, but Kwame averages a little more rebounds in roughly the same amount of minutes. Only difference is Swift played a year of college and came into the NBA a year earlier. Kwame came into the NBA straight out of HS.

                            Kwame was #1 overall and he's considered a bust and won't do anything with LA, Swift was #2 overall (a year earlier) and his NBA performance is equal to that of Kwame's but he's gonna help the Rockets??

                            I even saw in the Kwame Brown/Wilbon thread, someone said that the Lakers should have went after Swift. Why? How is he better than Kwame??


                            Explain this to me?


                            I'll explain it for you.....


                            Stromile Swift actually contributed positively to his team. Kwame Brown didn't. This is once again another case where stats don't mean everything. Of course, because of your love for a certain #8 and his team, you question why people hate on Kwame. There are reasons.

                            Swift, while not a world beater, was a major role player for his team. He took pride in the role he filled.

                            Kwame Brown, on the other hand, complained and fought with coaches and teammates his whole time in Washington. He did indeed QUIT on his team by skipping practice, a team meeting AND A GAME because he wasn't getting his way. The team had to lie just to cover up for him. And since he wants to be a star so much, he sure didn't make too much of a splash while he had his chances.

                            So whom would you want...Swift, a very good role player that cane give you some points and rebounds and is a feared shotblocker that still has potential...or Kwame Brown, an underachiveing problem child that is turning out to be the next Tim Thomas: a tremendous physical talent with no heart?

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #29
                              Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                              Originally posted by Kashanova
                              Has he proven he is? Why do the people in his team rip him? to be a bad guy come on lets be serious.
                              what teammates ever "ripped him"? he hasnt proven anything yes, but he has yet to get play a game for the lakers and do what he can with his second chance. ill be the first to admit the guy doesnt belong in the league if he puts up the same numbers from last season.

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                              • gin
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 314

                                #30
                                Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                                Originally posted by Programmed2Kill
                                I'll explain it for you.....


                                Stromile Swift actually contributed positively to his team. Kwame Brown didn't. This is once again another case where stats don't mean everything. Of course, because of your love for a certain #8 and his team, you question why people hate on Kwame. There are reasons.

                                Swift, while not a world beater, was a major role player for his team. He took pride in the role he filled.

                                Kwame Brown, on the other hand, complained and fought with coaches and teammates his whole time in Washington. He did indeed QUIT on his team by skipping practice, a team meeting AND A GAME because he wasn't getting his way. The team had to lie just to cover up for him. And since he wants to be a star so much, he sure didn't make too much of a splash while he had his chances.

                                So whom would you want...Swift, a very good role player that cane give you some points and rebounds and is a feared shotblocker that still has potential...or Kwame Brown, an underachiveing problem child that is turning out to be the next Tim Thomas: a tremendous physical talent with no heart?
                                The fact that Kwame has a negative reputation is the only major difference I see between the 2. I guess playing with MJ for a couple of years and not living up to MJ's expecations coming straight out of HS did nothing to hurt his reputation when all eyes were on DC right?

                                Kwame hasn't lived up to his potential. I'm not denying that. But neither has Stromile Swift. He was the OVERALL #2 PICK. He's supposed to be more than just a role player. He's been in the league longer than Brown and he even has a year of college under his belt, yet Brown is the bust while Swift still has potential.

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