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  • fowess
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    • Jul 2003
    • 208

    #46
    Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

    He must think the Wizards were supposed to ditch everything they were doing all year and focus on Kwame being the number one option ...

    Which roughly translates to: quit doing what you're doing to win and DUMP IT DOWN TO KWAME ALL DAY LONG.

    Get off Kwame's back everyone. Not everyone can come out of HS and be as poised as Lebron, or KG. People seem to forget these athletes are still HUMAN and they make MISTAKES.

    you know, the media and all the people dogging Kwame are doing nothing but killing what little confidence he probably has left. Probably how Darko feels, too.

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    • Programmed2Kill
      Banned
      • Jul 2002
      • 14644

      #47
      Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

      Originally posted by fowess
      He must think the Wizards were supposed to ditch everything they were doing all year and focus on Kwame being the number one option ...

      Which roughly translates to: quit doing what you're doing to win and DUMP IT DOWN TO KWAME ALL DAY LONG.

      Get off Kwame's back everyone. Not everyone can come out of HS and be as poised as Lebron, or KG. People seem to forget these athletes are still HUMAN and they make MISTAKES.

      you know, the media and all the people dogging Kwame are doing nothing but killing what little confidence he probably has left. Probably how Darko feels, too.

      But at least Darko doesn't get in fights with teammates and coaches...and also skip out on practices and shootarounds just because he's "unhappy".


      Nobody asked everyone to dump everything and look out for Kwame, but the least he could've done is come in and contribute more instead of bitchin' and moanin'. Why is that such a hard thing to do?

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      • Programmed2Kill
        Banned
        • Jul 2002
        • 14644

        #48
        Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

        Originally posted by Tha_Kid
        Enlighten me, what IS your point?



        The team didnt have to lie about anything, that was their decision. They couldve suspended him on the game day, instead when he called they told him not to come to the arena until the next morning when they could meet. EJ compounded the situation (and created the whole misconception of Kwame skipping the actual game) by saying that he missed the game because he was still sick rather than telling the truth. Granted you dont want the press to know he's suspended before he does, but I dont see how you can say he forced to team to lie.

        Its not what I call quitting, like I said, if his own TEAMMATE doesnt call it quitting that should be enough for you. If its not, tough...



        I havent made anybody out to be more than they are, you are taking what Ive posted and acting like I was ranting and raving. I never said Kwame did nothing wrong, but of course whenever i disagree with you im automatically a stan, right? All Ive done in two threads is re-iterate things that other people have already said. I didnt watch kwame and decide "oh, he can blow past C's and overpower 4's" thats the scouting report on him, athletically speaking. Maybe my words "jump" at you when you're reading them but I havent blown up anything. Please, enlighten me, go back and quote exactly where and what Ive heavily exaggerated. Im sure you'll find nothing.

        Never mind that I never said top option, that was you. Once again I said focus around him, that means him touching the ball consistently. If you knew the wizards as much as you claim you would know that Kwame was the most unselfish player on the team and a good passer.


        I'm not even going to argue with you. You have your mind made up that the guy is the next coming.

        Blow by centers and back down most power forwards. Save it.

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        • fowess
          Rookie
          • Jul 2003
          • 208

          #49
          Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

          Originally posted by Programmed2Kill
          Nobody asked everyone to dump everything and look out for Kwame, but the least he could've done is come in and contribute more instead of bitchin' and moanin'. Why is that such a hard thing to do?

          I thought it's been pointed out that he was hurt the majority of the season and that there were 5 other player shooting below 40% who jacked up more shots than he did.

          Sure, I'd be bitchin and moanin' too after watching Gilbert Arenas throw up his 90th wild three of the game.

          Weren't the Wizards in the doldrums of the league in terms of assists per game?

          I'd be sick of watching Hughes go to the rack and throw up some 360 reverse left handed layup and watching it sail out of bounds instead of him head faking and dishing like he should've.

          we also have to remember that Jamison really should be their 4 but he was even stuck out of position and taking horrible shots because NO ONE PASSED THE BALL. We all know Jamison is not the type of player to dominate the ball at all. He's active on the offensive glass and loves to get a good dish when the the dribble drive breaks down the d.

          Apparently we all forget that didn't happen much.

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          • Programmed2Kill
            Banned
            • Jul 2002
            • 14644

            #50
            Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

            Originally posted by fowess
            I thought it's been pointed out that he was hurt the majority of the season and that there were 5 other player shooting below 40% who jacked up more shots than he did.

            Sure, I'd be bitchin and moanin' too after watching Gilbert Arenas throw up his 90th wild three of the game.

            Weren't the Wizards in the doldrums of the league in terms of assists per game?

            I'd be sick of watching Hughes go to the rack and throw up some 360 reverse left handed layup and watching it sail out of bounds instead of him head faking and dishing like he should've.

            we also have to remember that Jamison really should be their 4 but he was even stuck out of position and taking horrible shots because NO ONE PASSED THE BALL. We all know Jamison is not the type of player to dominate the ball at all. He's active on the offensive glass and loves to get a good dish when the the dribble drive breaks down the d.

            Apparently we all forget that didn't happen much.


            And what the heck does all this have to do with Kwame Brown? NOTHING.

            If he is that good, none of the stuff you mentioned doesn't matter whatsoever. Sorry, I'm not hearing the excuses.

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            • dieselboy
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              • Dec 2002
              • 18040

              #51
              Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

              I think both of them honestly, will benefit extremely from the change of scenery.

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              • Slymm
                Th* m*n...
                • Nov 2002
                • 3406

                #52
                Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                somebody lock this up. I can't take anymore of this bitch fight.
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                • HardwoodHeisman
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                  • Nov 2003
                  • 2399

                  #53
                  Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                  Originally posted by slymm21
                  somebody lock this up. I can't take anymore of this bitch fight.
                  Thats bull man. There hasn't really been any personal attacks in here. Guys have to realize, arguments are going to get heated. I've actually learned a lot from this thread because I didn't know much about KB5 or Stro, besides some of the obvious things.

                  The NBA Forums get out of hands with the constant Laker(Kobe, Phil, Shaq) talk because people have agendas in those threads. This one while it has had its share of strange opinions, has been for the most part an average argument that takes place on OS. I don't see any reason for it to be locked, but if so, more power to whoever locks it.

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                  • HMcCoy
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8212

                    #54
                    Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                    Originally posted by dieselboy
                    I think both of them honestly, will benefit extremely from the change of scenery.

                    Ditto.

                    To answer the original post it's pretty simple, Gin...perception-wise, Work ethic>Talent. Kwame has aquired the "lazy" title, which like the "soft" tag, is difficult to shake. Don't bother arguing, some folks have the book on this youngster completely written after what ammounts to, meh, 3 full seasons? Lol. Just be patient and root for the kid.
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                    • Slymm
                      Th* m*n...
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 3406

                      #55
                      Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                      Originally posted by HardwoodHeisman1
                      Thats bull man. There hasn't really been any personal attacks in here. Guys have to realize, arguments are going to get heated. I've actually learned a lot from this thread because I didn't know much about KB5 or Stro, besides some of the obvious things.

                      The NBA Forums get out of hands with the constant Laker(Kobe, Phil, Shaq) talk because people have agendas in those threads. This one while it has had its share of strange opinions, has been for the most part an average argument that takes place on OS. I don't see any reason for it to be locked, but if so, more power to whoever locks it.
                      I just think its pointless for cats to waste time arguing with each other, spanning a page, just agree to disagree and get on with it.
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                      • Mofasa
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 471

                        #56
                        Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                        Im just silently hoping Kwame comes out MADDD next year.Prove em wrong Kwame

                        People dont get that we would have lost Caron next year cause there was noway in hell we would have paid him the kind of money he would be offered. Chucky had to go (NO D)

                        So we got a 7 foot PF, who is young (23), and gives us presence inside. THis actually filled a need for us and depending on how well Kwame does could be a steal.

                        I think both moves are good, HOU's is better because of the price(MDE), but I don't see swift improving much. Kwame is a big ???

                        Everyone should just state their veiw and we will see who was right when the season ends.
                        “It’s so senseless to me to say he shouldn’t take over like that. You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they’re not making that many, I know it.”
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                        • Streets
                          Supreme
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5787

                          #57
                          Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                          Heres my take on the whole thing... Swift is a great piece, but he's not the end all answer to Houston's problems. Mac still has no back-up and until that is fixed he will still be forced to play 45 minutes a night. We have a million guards but really no guards that should be starting at the 1 or 2.

                          That said, I was really hoping that the nets would sign SAR because they were our only real competition for signing Swift. They did, and in turn we got Stro. He's not a first option type guy, but he does bring a lot of things we lack. On a team who's 2 stars are known for being laid-back and unemotional (although tmac has changed that of late) he brings explosiveness and emotion. On a team that is known for being ancient, he brings youth. On a team where "paper machete" Yao and Howard were the starting inside presence on D he brings shotblocking, and is a banger. So many times, I grimaced as yao, deke, howard, padgett, etc. fumbled a perfect tmac pass out of bounds, or were so slow that they were wrapped up and sent to the line when they should have had an easy lay-up or an "and 1". Stro brings someone who isnt afraid to finish strong.

                          People are high on Stro because he brings so much that we lack. he's a great piece and on top of it all, it only cost us the MLE. He chose to play in a 1st class organization with great players in his age brackett over a huge pay day. This is a guy who wants to win and who wants to be around people like him, who want to win as well. That speaks volumes about his character.

                          To get Kwame on the other hand, LA had to give up 2 starters. Obviously, Atkins was gonna have to go anyway since he feuded w/ GM #8, so i guess that part is not THAT bad, but Butler was argualbly their 2nd to 3rd best player with alot of potential. In the end LA fills a huge need since they desperatley needed a 4 and had way too many 3's, but the fact that they gave up so much is ultimately the reason why people are looking down on the TRADE (trade being the key word, we didnt trade for Stro he signed with us for virtually nothing).

                          When looking back at the kwame/butler trade you're gonna compare and contrast butler and kwames performaces on their new teams, how well the lakers and wiz fare with and w/o them, who got the better of the deal, etc. and while Kwame may fill a need, I think Caron is the better player with more potential. When looking back at the stro signing he's either gonna bring alot of stuff we need, or he'll be a bust. Either way, the price was right and the rox wont look stupid for signing him. It's low risk, high potential reward, the same cant be said for the LA situation.

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                          • Tha_Kid
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 6550

                            #58
                            Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                            Originally posted by slymm21
                            I just think its pointless for cats to waste time arguing with each other, spanning a page, just agree to disagree and get on with it.
                            I agree, thats what went down on the Kwame in LA thread, but there was pure misinformation being spread. For posters like the guy that said he learned alot from reading the thread its important that they get the truth straight from the mouth of those involved.

                            I have no problem agreeing to disagree, its when people act like they have no reading comprehension that I get annoyed....

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                            • Mofasa
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 471

                              #59
                              Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                              Yep, LA's is s a high risk and even greater reward.

                              Caron is going to be a great player for many years, but we could not afford to keep him. We might have been able to get more but those contracts may not have expired in 2007

                              Look at what Redd, Simmons and Hughes got....thats crazy.....
                              plus take into mind that mitch wants to have cap room in 2007.
                              “It’s so senseless to me to say he shouldn’t take over like that. You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they’re not making that many, I know it.”
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                              • Lebron 4 MVP
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 453

                                #60
                                Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

                                Brown is lazy, doesn't care about playin basketball. And Swift doesn't really wanna work on ball, just get paid.

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