Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

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Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

Brown is lazy, doesn't care about playin basketball. And Swift doesn't really wanna work on ball, just get paid.

Kwame came into the NBA unprepared for the mental aspect. To be honest I think he was overwhelmed from jumpstreet.

Swift does care to work on basketball. He just the MLE to play with a contendor. You dont make that type of decision without knowing you're going to have to work..

He had a heart to heart with Tmac during the recruiting process, the man came out impressed, and talking about helping the team win a championship. Who in their right mind would think they could do so without work?

Not only that he also talked to JVG who told him of his expectations as a coach, and his demeanor towards players. If he wanted to sit on his behind he could've stayed on the bench behind Pau

[Programmed2Kill]

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Ditto.

To answer the original post it's pretty simple, Gin...perception-wise, Work ethic>Talent. Kwame has aquired the "lazy" title, which like the "soft" tag, is difficult to shake. Don't bother arguing, some folks have the book on this youngster completely written after what ammounts to, meh, 3 full seasons? Lol. Just be patient and root for the kid.

Nobody said the book is written...but for his "3 full seasons", he's done alot of dirty with no production. Or do you disagree?

[Programmed2Kill]

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I agree, thats what went down on the Kwame in LA thread, but there was pure misinformation being spread. For posters like the guy that said he learned alot from reading the thread its important that they get the truth straight from the mouth of those involved.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree, its when people act like they have no reading comprehension that I get annoyed....

Who misread anything you posted? You said alot of things that make no sense whatsoever when it comes to Kwame Brown. When I watch Kwame Brown, I see absolutely nothing that you talk about. I could understand if you say the guy has potential and a change of scenery could help..but you carried on to hype him up like the next coming. You even had Aaron scratch his head on some of the things you said.

[Streets]

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Kwame came into the NBA unprepared for the mental aspect. To be honest I think he was overwhelmed from jumpstreet.

Swift does care to work on basketball. He just the MLE to play with a contendor. You dont make that type of decision without knowing you're going to have to work..

He had a heart to heart with Tmac during the recruiting process, the man came out impressed, and talking about helping the team win a championship. Who in their right mind would think they could do so without work?

Not only that he also talked to JVG who told him of his expectations as a coach, and his demeanor towards players. If he wanted to sit on his behind he could've stayed on the bench behind Pau

Co-sign.

this guy is a coulda got much more than the MLE from alot of teams, and if all he cares about is "getting paid", he woulda taken it.

[Tha_Kid]

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Who misread anything you posted? You said alot of things that make no sense whatsoever when it comes to Kwame Brown. When I watch Kwame Brown, I see absolutely nothing that you talk about. I could understand if you say the guy has potential and a change of scenery could help..but you carried on to hype him up like the next coming. You even had Aaron scratch his head on some of the things you said.

Wow. I havent hyped up ****, Like I said, those words arent mine. Aaron said he didnt know about the strength to back down most PFs, but if he could hold his own against Shaq, I'd assume he was strong enough. All you want to do is try and discredit my posts by saying ive called him a top option and the next coming yet everything Ive posted has been said before. The book on kwame has always been that hes a freak athlete that will be scary if he puts it together...

[HMcCoy]

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Nobody said the book is written...but for his "3 full seasons", he's done alot of dirty with no production. Or do you disagree?

IMO, he basically melted under the glare of the G.O.A.T. and the expectations that come with being the #1 pick. His young ego never recovered. Its soooo easy to blow those factors off from behind a PC screen, y'know? LOL, we get mad when we get called out on a message board...imagine dealing with a whole city and media constantly calling you out. Mix in the injuries and I don't think you can fairly assess what Kwame is or will be. Some guys thrive under that harsh discipline, some don't. The good thing is that Phil and Kobe will know up front that the "kick-him-in-the-a$$-24/7" approach won't work, so they can go a different direction from the jump. Look at VC in NJ, and to a lesser extent Mac in HOU. Those guys had the same "lack of intensity" tags.

If A.I. doesn't feel like going 100% in a practice, you could say he's just a lazy S.O.B. right? But then you see him perform in games, and you get the WHOLE picture...dude is a soldier. We haven't had an opportunity to see Kwame's whole picture. All we have is innuendo and speculation about his heart, and thats not fair to him. This is his chance. If he has the same problems now, then to hell with him.

Bottom line, I blame the NBA G.M. propensity for taking longshots on guys who aren't mentally capable of handling the NBA as much as I fault Brown.

[DueceDiggla]

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I think Brown has more potential and could easily have a better career. But, Swift will probably benefit more playing with T-Mac and Yao, then Brown will playing alongside guys like Odom and Bryant.

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I think Brown has more potential and could easily have a better career. But, Swift will probably benefit more playing with T-Mac and Yao, then Brown will playing alongside guys like Odom and Bryant.

I agree here, especially since a guy like LO needs the ball to be most effective.

[HardwoodHeisman]

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I'm just not sure this is the right place for Kwame to prove anything. Like I said in the other thread regarding KB5, if Shaq was still in town I would be much more excited about this signing because Shaq helps out most of his PF's, and if Kwame has the type of abilities as some claim, he would've really played a quality part back then. Now, I'm just not so sure.....

I'm iffy about this whole thing......

[Kashanova]

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Not for anything but if I ever had a chance to play with the greatest I would play my hardest and work my hardest to be like him, like you get to see him come early to pratice, and leave late like I know i would take advantage of it

[HMcCoy]

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I'm just not sure this is the right place for Kwame to prove anything. Like I said in the other thread regarding KB5, if Shaq was still in town I would be much more excited about this signing because Shaq helps out most of his PF's, and if Kwame has the type of abilities as some claim, he would've really played a quality part back then. Now, I'm just not so sure.....

I'm iffy about this whole thing......

Kwame will be most effective if he goes all out on the boards and defense. If he can stay healthy, post around 15/11 and become a serious help presence, his season is a smashing success. That would be huge for him mentally and image-wise. All he needs to do is establish himself as a post PRESENCE..see himself on SC sending a layup into the 19th row a copuple times. Kwame + confidence = serious trouble.

[Dynasty4Kobe]

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First let me point out that this has been one of the better recent threads in the Bball forum, discussion wise. I, like HH, learned a whole lot about both players.

Second, like some have already said, both players look like they will get better in their respective teams. Kwame seems like one of those players who could benefit from a change in scenery. Stromile will also find it much easier playing with two guys that command double teams 90% of the time. But in my opinion, playing under JVG defensive system will help Stromile the most. The defensive discipline that the Rockets showed last year just seems perfect for a guy like Stro.

And about Caron, their is no doubt that he was 2nd/3rd best player for the Lakers last year, but he just happened to play at the wrong position. Lamar Odom needs to be moved back to the three, and Jumaine Jones/Deavan George are both servicable back up small forwards. Add in the money issue next year, and Caron's future didn't look to bright in LA.

And finally, Disciples, you said Chucky was gone because of his feud with Kobe, but Chucky actually became Kobe's second best friend behind Caron. Just something to clear up.

[Programmed2Kill]

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IMO, he basically melted under the glare of the G.O.A.T. and the expectations that come with being the #1 pick. His young ego never recovered. Its soooo easy to blow those factors off from behind a PC screen, y'know? LOL, we get mad when we get called out on a message board...imagine dealing with a whole city and media constantly calling you out. Mix in the injuries and I don't think you can fairly assess what Kwame is or will be. Some guys thrive under that harsh discipline, some don't. The good thing is that Phil and Kobe will know up front that the "kick-him-in-the-a$$-24/7" approach won't work, so they can go a different direction from the jump. Look at VC in NJ, and to a lesser extent Mac in HOU. Those guys had the same "lack of intensity" tags.

If A.I. doesn't feel like going 100% in a practice, you could say he's just a lazy S.O.B. right? But then you see him perform in games, and you get the WHOLE picture...dude is a soldier. We haven't had an opportunity to see Kwame's whole picture. All we have is innuendo and speculation about his heart, and thats not fair to him. This is his chance. If he has the same problems now, then to hell with him.

Bottom line, I blame the NBA G.M. propensity for taking longshots on guys who aren't mentally capable of handling the NBA as much as I fault Brown.

Really though....I could give a flying bleep about his poor feelings and who the hell is against him. You make you bed, you lie in it. Simple as that. Once he was picked #1 in the draft and started making those millions, it's time to man up. Nobody is going to coddle you. This is the NBA. If he expects everything handed to him on a silver platter, then that is his fault. Whomever gave him the advice to come out that year didn't help one bit because everyone and their family pet could see this dude is a baby and has an attitude problem. Jordan is just as guilty by picking him, but that is because he thought he could change him and that is a big mistake in sports (see T.O. in Philly).

As for not being fair in questioning his heart...that's BS. Clear facts...he skipped out on things because nobody was wiping his booty and giving him his warm milk. Boo-hoo. Things don't go your way...MAKE THINGS GO YOUR WAY. He's an adult.

[Programmed2Kill]

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Kwame will be most effective if he goes all out on the boards and defense. If he can stay healthy, post around 15/11 and become a serious help presence, his season is a smashing success. That would be huge for him mentally and image-wise. All he needs to do is establish himself as a post PRESENCE..see himself on SC sending a layup into the 19th row a copuple times. Kwame + confidence = serious trouble.

You're asking entirely too much of the guy. LOL I mean seriously...

If he couldn't handle f'n Washington, DC....how the hell is he going to handle L.A., their fans and most importantly, being a Laker with Kobe and Phil on your butt?

[Programmed2Kill]

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Wow. I havent hyped up ****, Like I said, those words arent mine. Aaron said he didnt know about the strength to back down most PFs, but if he could hold his own against Shaq, I'd assume he was strong enough. All you want to do is try and discredit my posts by saying ive called him a top option and the next coming yet everything Ive posted has been said before. The book on kwame has always been that hes a freak athlete that will be scary if he puts it together...

And he hasn't done it yet, even when he's had his oppurtunities. I don't want to hear about his woes or hardships. That's on him.

Just deal with the fact that until I see some heart and production from him, I will stick by what I say...because right now, what I say is the truth at this point. And that isn't me bragging...that's me telling the truth.