Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

[BigTigLSU]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

The biggest diffrence is expectations. Stromile was not the pick of #23... People hate Kwame becuase some feel he help destroy MJ's legacy. Stro came into small market no major media and no big expectations for the team. The Wizards having MJ playing had the spolight on them and thus Kwame Brown grow up infront of the world. Both players have a alot to prove I see no reason either cant be successful on thier new team. But Kwame Brown will always have the stink of MJs underachievment during Jordans final comeback.... he will never shake that unless he explodes in to a star in LA.

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Great arguments.

Thinking that trading 2 players for Brown is the major issue is kinda suspect to me. If Simmons and Redd are getting crazy deals this year, no doubt Butler was gonna be offered a crazy deal next year and the Lakers were not going to give him a deal like Simmons or Redd got. They want their cap space cleared in a few years and Butler is going to get a long term deal from someone next year. They were going to lose Butler anyway and seeing that the Lakers got like 5 SF's on their team, he was expendable. Chucky is a poor defensive player that gave up more points than he scored. It's probably a good thing he's gone.

Oh and the whole GM#8 wanted Chucky gone is ridiculous. So I guess GM#8 wanted Caron gone too.......when it's a pretty well known fact that Caron and GM#8 were best friends??? Give me a break.

Overall, I learned alot about Kwame in this thread. Being a Laker fan, I never cared to follow Kwame Brown's progress. Thanks yall.

[Kashanova]

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Great arguments.

Thinking that trading 2 players for Brown is the major issue is kinda suspect to me. If Simmons and Redd are getting crazy deals this year, no doubt Butler was gonna be offered a crazy deal next year and the Lakers were not going to give him a deal like Simmons or Redd got. They want their cap space cleared in a few years and Butler is going to get a long term deal from someone next year. They were going to lose Butler anyway and seeing that the Lakers got like 5 SF's on their team, he was expendable. Chucky is a poor defensive player that gave up more points than he scored. It's probably a good thing he's gone.

Oh and the whole GM#8 wanted Chucky gone is ridiculous. So I guess GM#8 wanted Caron gone too.......when it's a pretty well known fact that Caron and GM#8 were best friends??? Give me a break.

Overall, I learned alot about Kwame in this thread. Being a Laker fan, I never cared to follow Kwame Brown's progress. Thanks yall.

Crazy deals? how are they crazy deals? if those are crazy deals my god I don't wanna imagine the describtion on some of the previous laker trades. and oh **** I just remembered that atkins was the one who called kb the GM and now he's gone, pretty amazing

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Crazy deals? how are they crazy deals? if those are crazy deals my god I don't wanna imagine the describtion on some of the previous laker trades. and oh **** I just remembered that atkins was the one who called kb the GM and now he's gone, pretty amazing

Simmons and Redd got crazy deals. They were both overpaid IMO. That's how teams get stuck in a rut, ask New York about Allan Houston's contract.


And like I said, maybe Chucky and Kobe didn't get along, but Kobe and Caron were really good friends and Caron's gone too........so what is your point?

[Kashanova]

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Simmons and Redd got crazy deals. They were both overpaid IMO. That's how teams get stuck in a rut, ask New York about Allan Houston's contract.


And like I said, maybe Chucky and Kobe didn't get along, but Kobe and Caron were really good friends and Caron's gone too........so what is your point?

my point is it could had easily been george instead of atkins which it said in the deal thats what im saying. Simmons and Redd aren't AH deals His deal was longer, and more money. It's not 136 mil, or 120.

[Slymm]

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Its already been said that Kobe and Chucky became friends. Kobe, Caron and Chucky were even supposed to work out together this offseason. Chucky got shipped because he couldn't fit in Phil's system. Drop it.

[Kashanova]

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Its already been said that Kobe and Chucky became friends. Kobe, Caron and Chucky were even supposed to work out together this offseason. Chucky got shipped because he couldn't fit in Phil's system. Drop it.

who said ?

[BigTigLSU]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

For what Phil is gonna try and build in LA the new generation Bulls this move made since.

The ball will primarily be in either Kobe's or Lamar's hand on offense and Kwame will only have to be Ho Grant on the boards and get garbage points. Sasha will fit as the big PG but I have a feeling a vet PG will be signed as well that can play D and hit set shot 3 pointers.

The lakers were stacked at small foward/ shooting guard positions and this move will allow Odom to slide to the 3 and play point foward ala Scottie Pippen.The key is filling in PG wuth a Rin Harper type and add another shooter

[HardwoodHeisman]

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You're asking entirely too much of the guy. LOL I mean seriously...

If he couldn't handle f'n Washington, DC....how the hell is he going to handle L.A., their fans and most importantly, being a Laker with Kobe and Phil on your butt?

Thats what I've been saying and no one has answered this. Adande, Plaschke, hell the entire L.A. media.....If Kwame doesn't get off to a great start and keep it up, he'll get bashed to death. And Kobe and Phil won't be silent on the issue either. How will KB5 respond if that type of situation occurs?

[Slymm]

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who said ?

Who said what

[BigTigLSU]

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Thats what I've been saying and no one has answered this. Adande, Plaschke, hell the entire L.A. media.....If Kwame doesn't get off to a great start and keep it up, he'll get bashed to death. And Kobe and Phil won't be silent on the issue either. How will KB5 respond if that type of situation occurs?

Different levels of expectations.... He will be ask to be Ho Grant @ the most and Phil also better equipped at handling players. In Washington he had too much expected of him and would have never lived down falling short of those goalss while with the Wiz

[Streets]

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My god, leave it to the laker fans to find the one blurb about kobe i made in my 3 page analysis and blow it up. I've REALLY enjoyed this thread and its been fun hearing different analysis' of the situation. I dont follow the Lakers like some of you, so last I heard Chucky was calling #8 out, calling him the GM, etc. You all may say that Kobe and chucky being 2nd best friends is "common knowledge", but I honestly never heard anything about that (but again i really dont follow LA and stopped following ball as a whole for a bit after the Spurs won and I left OS).

And trust me, IF they were feuding (but apparently theyre not) u best believe that it would play a huge role in chuckys leaving. This isnt a knock at kobe, itd be like that on any team. If Tmac was feuding w/ someone of chucky atkins status, then ud better believe management would side w/ #1 and the guy would be gone. And just because Kobes friend was traded for buisness reasons it dont mean that someone whos calling out #8 cant be traded for bad-mouthing the franchise player.

Again, didnt want to turn this into a Kobe thing, but somehow the thread was steered in that direction. If i was misinformed about chucky and kobe being great friends I apologize for being wrong. Since that seems to be the case (According to LA fans) then (to steer this back to stro-kwame) the deal seems a little less sweet since chucky didnt "have to go" like i previously said.

I also wanna ask someone is there a way to see a list of the free agents next year? Beacuse everyone is talking about Caron getting a huge deal, but dont the outrageous deals usually depend on how good the free agent crop is that year? If the FA class is really good, Caron might not get that much. But if the pickings are slim, he's gonna get a HUGE payday.

I also wanna know this for personal reasons because Houston is getting alot of contracts of the books next year (around 20 mil) and i wanna know whos gonna be available.

[HardwoodHeisman]

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Different levels of expectations.... He will be ask to be Ho Grant @ the most and Phil also better equipped at handling players. In Washington he had too much expected of him and would have never lived down falling short of those goalss while with the Wiz

I don't understand that. I don't think we'd give up Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins for a guy that all we'll ask to be is "Ho Grant @ the most". And I'm not so sure he can do the things Horace Grant did with the Bulls anyway. So still, if he's not even playing up to that level, how will he handle the criticism that comes?

[aholbert32]

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I don't understand that. I don't think we'd give up Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins for a guy that all we'll ask to be is "Ho Grant @ the most". And I'm not so sure he can do the things Horace Grant did with the Bulls anyway. So still, if he's not even playing up to that level, how will he handle the criticism that comes?

If Kwame Brown became Horace Grant, Jackson, Kobe and Me would be extremely happy. People act as if Butler and Atkins were both stars on the team. I loved Butler and Atkins but they werent a great fit for the triangle or Jackson's lakers.

NOBODY IS EXPECTING HIM TO BE A STAR! Nobody on the Lakers or in LA expects him to play like the number 1 player in the draft. You know why? Because the Lakers didnt draft him. We gave up two decent players for a player who could be a bust, a star or a decent role player. The LA media and fans all know (or should know) that he is at best the third best player in the team. So the pressure will be less then it was in LA.

[BigTigLSU]

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I think CAron Butler was a move to free up the SF spot for Lamar Chucky though he may have been able to play the BJ armstrong role or even D Fish/ B Shaw role I think it was a question of paying him the money he is making to play those spots. Phil likes bigger PGs so he can create different matchups on Defense and as stated before the ball will be in K8's hands or Odoms on offense so would you pay Atkins his contract amount to be a jump shooter off the bench.

As far as him handling the pressure this is were Phil earns his money. the Zen MAster should help Kwame become mentally tougher, he did with Pippen