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  • ZB9
    Hall Of Fame
    • Nov 2004
    • 18387

    #61
    Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

    Originally posted by kuruption
    and phx got way better when he arrived .... they were never one of the elite teams before.
    they certainly did get better when both Nash and D'Antoni arrived.

    Im not saying Nash isnt a great player. He is the best offensive PG in the league imo. All im saying is that he shouldnt win 3 straight MVPs with the other candidates that are out there. just my 2 cents

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    • ZB9
      Hall Of Fame
      • Nov 2004
      • 18387

      #62
      Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

      Originally posted by Quick6
      So you're saying Terry is better than Nash. Hogwash, the reason the Mavs are better is not what they've lost (Nash) but what they've gained (Dampier, development of Howard and Harris who ironically would have been much better off with Nash as his tutor instead of Terry). Yet keep telling yourself your team is better cause your owner wouldn't pony up the cash to keep a great player. I know it's just sour grapes.
      let me put it this way...I wouldnt trade Terry for Nash. and Terry isnt even an all-star. Nash is the two-time MVP. go figure.

      I guess im crazy, but Dallas already tried the circus act with Nash and Nellie and it didnt work.

      Plus I did forget to add that they also added a coach who brought a different mindset to that team.
      Dallas or Phoenix? actually both did.

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      • Quick6
        Banned
        • Nov 2006
        • 937

        #63
        Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

        Originally posted by ZB9
        let me put it this way...I wouldnt trade Terry for Nash. and Terry isnt even an all-star. Nash is the two-time MVP. go figure.
        Joke right?

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        • ZB9
          Hall Of Fame
          • Nov 2004
          • 18387

          #64
          Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

          Originally posted by Quick6
          Joke right?
          nope..Dallas is playing defense now. They already tried the run and gun circus act and had to retool their entire team

          and Terry can still score with the best of em. JT is obviously not the ball handler or distributor that Nash is but he is a better defender and he is probably a bigger scoring threat than Nash. He might even be a better playoff performer than Nash.

          but mainly, if it aint broke dont fix it and Dallas was never this good with mr.MVP
          Last edited by ZB9; 01-17-2007, 11:40 PM.

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          • Brandon13
            All Star
            • Oct 2005
            • 8915

            #65
            Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

            Originally posted by Quick6
            Joke right?
            I think Nash deserved the last two MVPs and deserves his third this year and I wouldn't even do that trade. The Mavs are, by record, the best team in the NBA. They defeated Nash's Suns in the Western Conference Finals last year. I just don't see any way Nash would make this Dallas team any better than what it already is.

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            • HungryBologna
              MVP
              • Nov 2003
              • 3156

              #66
              Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

              Originally posted by Quick6
              Joke right?
              You're arguing with a Dallas fan and Steve Nash *****. Of course, he isn't joking.

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              • ZB9
                Hall Of Fame
                • Nov 2004
                • 18387

                #67
                Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                Originally posted by HungryBologna
                You're arguing with a Dallas fan and Steve Nash *****. Of course, he isn't joking.
                actually im a big Steve Nash fan. He's a great player and did some great things for the Mavericks. also, he is a big reason why Dirk developed into the player he is today.

                but im glad Nash doesnt play for Dallas anymore.

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                • Quick6
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 937

                  #68
                  Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                  Originally posted by ZB9
                  nope

                  Dallas is playing defense now. They already tried the run and gun circus act and had to retool their entire team.
                  You're whole argument about defense, defense, defense is sickening to me, and it shows you know nada about b-ball. So basically what you're saying is a team with Nash on it can't or doesn't play D. Get ready to eat some crow and realize you can't win this argument.

                  Pt differential Phx +8.5 Dal +6.8
                  Opp FG % Phx 45.3% 13th in the NBA Dal 44.9% 12th in the NBA
                  Opp 3pg% Phx 32% tied for 1st Dal 33% 6th in the NBA
                  Steals Phx 6.8 20th in the NBA Dal 6.7 24th in the NBA
                  Blocks Phx 4.9 12 in the NBA Dal 5.3 8th in the NBA
                  Opp Turnovers Per Game Phx 15.4 10th in the NBA Dal 14.0 22nd in the NBA

                  So how is Dallas this defensive juggernaut you claim to be? Looks like they're pretty even, hell I'd actually give Phx the edge overall. Argue that.

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                  • Quick6
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 937

                    #69
                    Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                    Originally posted by Brandon13
                    I think Nash deserved the last two MVPs and deserves his third this year and I wouldn't even do that trade. The Mavs are, by record, the best team in the NBA. They defeated Nash's Suns in the Western Conference Finals last year. I just don't see any way Nash would make this Dallas team any better than what it already is.
                    Suns didn't have Amare last year going on record I promise this year Suns win it all.

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                    • ZB9
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 18387

                      #70
                      Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                      Originally posted by Quick6
                      You're whole argument about defense, defense, defense is sickening to me, and it shows you know nada about b-ball. So basically what you're saying is a team with Nash on it can't or doesn't play D. Get ready to eat some crow and realize you can't win this argument.

                      Pt differential Phx +8.5 Dal +6.8
                      Opp FG % Phx 45.3% 13th in the NBA Dal 44.9% 12th in the NBA
                      Opp 3pg% Phx 32% tied for 1st Dal 33% 6th in the NBA
                      Steals Phx 6.8 20th in the NBA Dal 6.7 24th in the NBA
                      Blocks Phx 4.9 12 in the NBA Dal 5.3 8th in the NBA
                      Opp Turnovers Per Game Phx 15.4 10th in the NBA Dal 14.0 22nd in the NBA

                      So how is Dallas this defensive juggernaut you claim to be? Looks like they're pretty even, hell I'd actually give Phx the edge overall. Argue that.
                      you say i know nada and then you say that Phoenix is a better defensive team than Dallas? LMAO. the Mavs are one of the best defensive teams in the league and they are certainly a better defensive team than the Suns.

                      i dont care what stats you can pull out. i watched Nash for 7 years in Dallas. He is not a good defender. Devin Harris, on the other hand, is probably one of the top 3 defensive PGs in the NBA. Jason Terry is also a better defender than Nash.
                      Last edited by ZB9; 01-17-2007, 11:55 PM.

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                      • Brandon13
                        All Star
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 8915

                        #71
                        Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                        Originally posted by Quick6
                        Suns didn't have Amare last year going on record I promise this year Suns win it all.
                        Point taken, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Suns win the title this year. But I still wouldn't trade Terry for Nash.

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                        • ZB9
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 18387

                          #72
                          Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                          Originally posted by Quick6
                          going on record I promise this year Suns win it all.
                          niiiiice bold prediction

                          we'll see
                          Last edited by ZB9; 01-18-2007, 12:09 AM.

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                          • Court_vision
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 8290

                            #73
                            Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                            Originally posted by WTF
                            Eh... my thing about that is Kobe is doing it with little to no help. He's been without lamar for a lot of time, Kwame and all of the bigs have spent time on the IR, but yet the Lakers continue to win behind the leadership that he's provided. His numbers aren't always stellar, but he makes sure he's getting the job done.

                            Duncan, in my opinion, has one of the better guards in the game, in Tony Parker, alongside Michael Finlay, who's having a pretty decent season, as well as Ginobli, who has been up and down, but who can still detract some of the focus from Timmy D. Don't get me wrong, he's having a good season, but I think Kobe/LBJ are still ahead of him.
                            I agree Will.

                            I just watched the Lakers beat the Spurs in san antonio and Kobe really is impressing me.

                            He's leading that team superbly. They are way, way overachieving ATM.

                            Their talent level is nowhere near the record they have...they are doing superbly.

                            I am not a Kobe fan...but he's winning me over.

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #74
                              Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                              Wow, Bryant definitely showed the league that this is a different, sharing yet aggressive Bryant. But not only is he facilitating, he's been picking just the right times to take the game into his own hands [see last game against the Heat, and this game at SA]. Defintely a good shot at the MVP this season if he continues to play exactly how he's been playing over the past month or so.. because if he does, the Lakers will win at least 50 games, and Bryant will probably average at least 28-30 PPG, with 5-7 RPG, and 5-7 APG, while shooting at at least 45-47%, with at least a steal or two a game. It'll be a tough decision this season on the award I already know that much.

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                              • Pointguard
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 2977

                                #75
                                Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                                The problem with Nash in Dallas is Nash needs the ball in his hands to be effective. When you watch Phx's offense, Nash is the one creating everything when he's ont he court and he makes the other players's job simple and easy. In Dallas, we've very much based on 1v1 play. Guys like Howard, Stack and Harris arent spotup shooters and even Terry and Dirk are much better with the ball in their hands than strictly spotting up. There's no doubt Nash is a better player than Terry, but when Dallas is playing so well with their current team, the best in the league, its really hard to say switiching them makes sense.

                                Also, Nash was NOT the player he is now, in Dallas 3 years ago. Its silly and ignorant to suggest that and make it seem like Steve Nash was a MVP candidtae when he was a free agent. Fact is, he was a 15point and 8 assist guy, much like an Andre Miller, Moe Williams or TJ Ford. He wasnt averaging 20&10 and he wasnt showing improvement that he has in Phx. At the time, it was clearly the right decision to let him go and I still believe, despite how well Steve has done in Phx, that its the right decision now. Its worked out well for the Mavs, Suns and Nash.

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