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  • WTF
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 20274

    #91
    Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

    Yeah Dre, The 1 spot is going to come down to the end of the season. Right now, I see Dirk with it though. Nash is putting up INSANE numbers, but Dirk is just as much of a leader on the floor, and has came through when it counted.

    Either way, it's going to be interesting to see how it pans out.
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    • ZB9
      Hall Of Fame
      • Nov 2004
      • 18387

      #92
      Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

      Originally posted by WTF
      Nash is putting up INSANE numbers, but Dirk is just as much of a leader on the floor, and has came through when it counted.
      and Dirk's numbers have been every bit as good as Nash's if not better (just depends if assists are more important than points scored and rebounds)

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      • SoMiss2000
        Hall Of Fame
        • Oct 2002
        • 20499

        #93
        Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

        anybody see Cuban's shirt tonite..."Talk Nerdy to Me"...lol
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        • 23
          yellow
          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #94
          Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

          Originally posted by WTF
          Yeah Dre, The 1 spot is going to come down to the end of the season. Right now, I see Dirk with it though. Nash is putting up INSANE numbers, but Dirk is just as much of a leader on the floor, and has came through when it counted.

          Either way, it's going to be interesting to see how it pans out.

          How about off the floor?... how about PER?

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          • TheMatrix31
            RF
            • Jul 2002
            • 52930

            #95
            Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

            So, I just came back into this thread to see what happened after I posted my list....and all I can do is laugh hysterically and shake my head in disgust at what has been going on in here.

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            • ZB9
              Hall Of Fame
              • Nov 2004
              • 18387

              #96
              Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
              So, I just came back into this thread to see what happened after I posted my list....and all I can do is laugh hysterically and shake my head in disgust at what has been going on in here.
              perhaps you can answer my somewhat OT but not OT question?

              ...who should make the all-star team between Shawn Marion and Josh Howard in your opinion?

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              • TheMatrix31
                RF
                • Jul 2002
                • 52930

                #97
                Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                The only reason it might even be CLOSE this year, is because Marion is JUST hitting his stride. For the first time in a long time, Marion is not averaging 20 and 10. But besides that, he still has the edge over Howard in my book. I think Howard is an amazing player (I describe him as a pest), but Shawn's got the edge still I think.

                Howard's got 19 and 7, shooting 46% FG and 39% 3PT, with 1 steal and 1 block per game. Howard has HUGE impact on the Mavericks though.

                Marion, on the other hand, is at 19 and 9 (guaranteed 20 and 10 by the end of the year anyway), shooting 52% from the field, 32% from 3PT (why he continues to shoot threes is beyond me), and 2 steals/1 block a game.

                It's pretty darn close, when it's usually not. I'll still give the edge to Marion though, because he doesn't have specific plays run for him, and still does all of this. Howard has the ball much more often. Then again, that's just how things go.

                That's me being objective, but if you want me to be a homer, Marion all the f'n way.

                While Nash is the facilitator, Marion is the glue.

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                • ZB9
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 18387

                  #98
                  Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                  Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                  The only reason it might even be CLOSE this year, is because Marion is JUST hitting his stride. For the first time in a long time, Marion is not averaging 20 and 10. But besides that, he still has the edge over Howard in my book. I think Howard is an amazing player (I describe him as a pest), but Shawn's got the edge still I think.

                  Howard's got 19 and 7, shooting 46% FG and 39% 3PT, with 1 steal and 1 block per game. Howard has HUGE impact on the Mavericks though.

                  Marion, on the other hand, is at 19 and 9 (guaranteed 20 and 10 by the end of the year anyway), shooting 52% from the field, 32% from 3PT (why he continues to shoot threes is beyond me), and 2 steals/1 block a game.

                  It's pretty darn close, when it's usually not. I'll still give the edge to Marion though, because he doesn't have specific plays run for him, and still does all of this. Howard has the ball much more often. Then again, that's just how things go.

                  That's me being objective, but if you want me to be a homer, Marion all the f'n way.

                  While Nash is the facilitator, Marion is the glue.
                  i agree. Howard should be an all-star but Marion is slightly ahead of him imo...and Marion is the glue for the Suns running style.

                  this brings me to yet another question.. the Suns have the 2 time MVP (or perhaps the 3 time MVP, Magic Johnson territory)...3 out of 5 of their starters are all-stars, and they have two of the best young players in the NBA in Diaw and Barbosa. It's amazing that the Suns dont just run away with the western conference. I wonder what is standing in Phoenix's way?
                  Last edited by ZB9; 01-19-2007, 02:48 AM.

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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #99
                    Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                    Originally posted by ZB9
                    k another question, somewhat OT....who should make the all-star team between Shawn Marion and Josh Howard in your opinion?

                    btw, the fact that you put Nash so extremely far ahead of Dirk is crazy and pretty much takes a lot of credibility away from any or your lists in the future imo
                    you mavs fans are so annoying...

                    is there a fan base that complains more?

                    my god, I think he's top 2, but i just think nash has been above anyone else. please take my credibility away.
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                    • ZB9
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 18387

                      #100
                      Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                      Originally posted by Vince

                      i just think nash has been above anyone else.
                      Nash is above everyone else? why isnt Nash's team above everyone else? and why was his former team immediately better and how did they become a contender immediately after Nash left?

                      Magic won 3 straight MVPs. his team won championships

                      Shaq won at least 2 MVPs. his team won championships

                      Duncan won 2 MVPs. his team won championships

                      Jordan won more than 2 MVPs. his team won championships

                      Bird won 2 at least MVPs. his team won championships

                      Nash is very very good obviously. he is the best offensive PG in the game right now imo, and he is perfect for D'Antoni's system with Marion and co...but he does not belong in the group of multiple MVP winners that i listed above imo.

                      If there are any more players than the ones i listed above that won 2 or more MVPs, someone please correct me. Maybe Karl Malone did but i think i got most, if not all, of them since the early 80s.
                      Last edited by ZB9; 01-19-2007, 04:11 AM.

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                      • ZB9
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 18387

                        #101
                        Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                        Originally posted by Vince
                        you mavs fans are so annoying...
                        so are you Canadians
                        Last edited by ZB9; 01-19-2007, 04:16 AM.

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                        • RockinDaMike
                          All Star
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 9092

                          #102
                          Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                          I just wonder who has said that Dirk is not in mvp discussions? I honestly think he's going to win it this year if Dallas ends up with the best record. Actually i think he would win the benefit of the doubt even if Phoenix ends up with the best record.

                          I understand there are a lot of Nash haters out there, but just be glad that we have this guy in the league. He makes basketball exciting to watch. Actually, I love the hate, it makes it for better basketball. I love it when people boo nash, it gets him going.


                          But i gotta say I love the rivarly between the Suns and Mavs. Its been amazing year for me as a Suns fan as well as you Mavs fans. I hope it gets better.

                          What I really like to see is all the mavs fans put up MVSteve Avatar up when we beat you guys March 15th.
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                          • Muzyk23
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 4192

                            #103
                            Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                            I really, really dislike the fact that Nash has won two MVPs in a row.
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                            • Court_vision
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 8290

                              #104
                              Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                              Originally posted by ZB9
                              Nash is above everyone else? why isnt Nash's team above everyone else? and why was his former team immediately better and how did they become a contender immediately after Nash left?

                              Magic won 3 straight MVPs. his team won championships

                              Shaq won at least 2 MVPs. his team won championships

                              Duncan won 2 MVPs. his team won championships

                              Jordan won more than 2 MVPs. his team won championships

                              Bird won 2 at least MVPs. his team won championships

                              Nash is very very good obviously. he is the best offensive PG in the game right now imo, and he is perfect for D'Antoni's system with Marion and co...but he does not belong in the group of multiple MVP winners that i listed above imo.

                              If there are any more players than the ones i listed above that won 2 or more MVPs, someone please correct me. Maybe Karl Malone did but i think i got most, if not all, of them since the early 80s.

                              Two seasons back, Nash did NOT have a championship calibre team with him.

                              Last season, he DID. Last year should have been his big test...can he lead a team to the rings.We all know what happened though, Amare went down...as did 1/3 of their roster...

                              Nash can't be blamed...he did insanely well to get them to the WCF.

                              This year is Nash's big test. If Phoenix stays healthy, they have no exuses NOT to win it all. This year is their shot at it.

                              Let's see what happens...

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                              • Admiral50
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 3311

                                #105
                                Re: Question to the House: Why Isn't Dirk in MVP Discussion?

                                They have a few good excuses... in the form of some great competition out West.

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