LeBron... what's your take?

[NovaStar]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Seems to me in order to become a global icon, you should at least win more than a playoff series. Lebron may or may not be what the hype suggests(the greatest ever), but to want to be a global icon before you actually win a championship is a little misguided. As far as him being overhyped, I don't think so, I just don't know if he will dominate the NBA as some have projected. His skill set is right where it needs to be, he lacks killer instinct, that is what makes the great ones great, not skill set.

[Cebby]

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My take? People are comparing him to his last year. Keep in mind, that age wise, this year was MJ and DWade's first season and Bird's junior year of college. I don't think people quite realize how amazing his last season was.

Seems to me in order to become a global icon, you should at least win more than a playoff series. Lebron may or may not be what the hype suggests(the greatest ever), but to want to be a global icon before you actually win a championship is a little misguided.

Team game. For the most part, the star of the team doesn't really show how good the team is. The other 4 starters are a better indication of how good the team is.

[NovaStar]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

My take? People are comparing him to his last year. Keep in mind, that age wise, this year was MJ and DWade's first season and Bird's junior year of college. I don't think people quite realize how amazing his last season was.




Team game. For the most part, the star of the team doesn't really show how good the team is. The other 4 starters are a better indication of how good the team is.

True, but a icon should have the ability to lead those other four players somewhere, or better yet put the team (whatever the make up) first, well before him (the individual) becoming an icon.

[jmood88]

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True, but a icon should have the ability to lead those other four players somewhere, or better yet put the team (whatever the make up) first, well before him (the individual) becoming an icon.

Michael Jordan couldn't do that early in his career so I don't see why you're holding Lebron to a higher standard. And Lebron has led them to the playoffs and got them close his first couple of years in the league.

[blackceasar]

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Saying that we'll never see players as good as Magic, MJ and Bird is laughable.

He's saying that because he happens to be a fan of one of the teams that had one of the player's he's mentioned. If Lebron had been a Bull all this time and has had the same seaons he's had so far up to this point, I doubt Air would have chimed in at all.

Also Lebron didnt hype himself up. The media did. It would be different if the boy was holding press conference after press conference before he stepped in to the league and had been writing books ala the NBA version of "Gimmie the Dam Ball". As far as the money he's gotten for endorsements and the commericals he's in. You cant blame him for that. If Nike threw 90+ million in my face and asked me to go on TV witih nothing on but a diaper with a swoosh on the azz I would. He didnt call up the media and say "hey hype me up" The media writes about him because they need something to write about to keep readers attention on thier publications. Nike gave him the cheese not because he demanded it, but because nike is INVESTING in him.

And while i will say MJ is the greatest ever (to this date)....until he got a supporting cast and had the triangle, the Bulls werent doing jack.

[NovaStar]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

He's saying that because he happens to be a fan of one of the teams that had one of the player's he's mentioned. If Lebron had been a Bull all this time and has had the same seaons he's had so far up to this point, I doubt Air would have chimed in at all.

Also Lebron didnt hype himself up. The media did. It would be different if the boy was holding press conference after press conference before he stepped in to the league and had been writing books ala the NBA version of "Gimmie the Dam Ball". As far as the money he's gotten for endorsements and the commericals he's in. You cant blame him for that. If Nike threw 90+ million in my face and asked me to go on TV witih nothing on but a diaper with a swoosh on the azz I would. He didnt call up the media and say "hey hype me up" The media writes about him because they need something to write about to keep readers attention on thier publications. Nike gave him the cheese not because he demanded it, but because nike is INVESTING in him.

And while i will say MJ is the greatest ever (to this date)....until he got a supporting cast and had the triangle, the Bulls werent doing jack.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the bulls make the playoffs every year that MJ was on their roster, regardless of the team around him? If this statement is true, would you consider that doing jack?

[Rocky]

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This what happens when you hype somebody up to be the second coming and he stumbles a bit. Can't really be mad at a 22 year old......the media is filth. Watch them fall off the Lebron bandwagon and fall onto someone else's. The next flavor of the month is Kevin Durant and if he messes up a bit, the media will forget it ever hyped him up and go after someone else.

[NovaStar]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Michael Jordan couldn't do that early in his career so I don't see why you're holding Lebron to a higher standard. And Lebron has led them to the playoffs and got them close his first couple of years in the league.

What's up Jmood, I am not holding LJ to a higher standard, I am saying that his response to that question was somewhat puzzling. It seems to me that he would have said I want to take my team to a championship rather than I want to be an Icon. I agree with the author of that article in that regard. I happen to like LJ, it's just that his answer to that question was kind of off. It seems to me that becoming an Icon is a by product of winning.

[blackceasar]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the bulls make the playoffs every year that MJ was on their roster, regardless of the team around him? If this statement is true, would you consider that doing jack?

Yeah I dont remember him coming out of HS and trying to do it. Do you ever wonder what kind of player MJ would have been if he jumped right into the NBA rather than getting some serious basketball knowledge those years at UNC with Dean Smith?

Bottom line is players arent responsible for thier own hype (outside of T.O. maybe). The media put Lebron on a Pedistal.....and you know the saying.

[NovaStar]

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Yeah I dont remember him coming out of HS and trying to do it. Do you ever wonder what kind of player MJ would have been if he jumped right into the NBA rather than getting some serious basketball knowledge those years at UNC with Dean Smith?

Bottom line is players arent responsible for thier own hype (outside of T.O. maybe). The media put Lebron on a Pedistal.....and you know the saying.

I gotcha. I agree.

[Air23]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Please tell me how he's failed to live up to the hype. Even the Bulls with Michael Jordan didn't do much until he got help.

Please tell me what he's won? Rookie of the Year and one All-Star MVP.

OK. And?

As much as he's been hyped, I expect his *** at least in the Conference Finals every year. I don't expect less, if folks are gonna continue to hype his *** up without the kid accomplishing anything.

[Air23]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Saying that we'll never see players as good as Magic, MJ and Bird is laughable.

Not laughable as we haven't seen anything close to them yet, even with help from the League and overhyping from sportwriters, huh?

[Air23]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Michael Jordan couldn't do that early in his career so I don't see why you're holding Lebron to a higher standard. And Lebron has led them to the playoffs and got them close his first couple of years in the league.

People are holding to a higher stander because--say it with me, boys and girls--of THE HYPE.

No hype, no high expectations.

MJ wasn't hype coming out of college. At least not anywhere even close to Lebron and other kids today.

Hell, Rod Thorne, who drafted MJ because he felt he was the best player left at the point (remember, this was when centers dominated the draft and two of the most coveted--Hakeem and Sam Bowie--went before MJ), felt that the Bulls had drafted a decent shooting guard, but not someone to build a franchise around.

Those were his words. And look what happened.

MJ exceeded all expectations, dominated the League, brought multiple championships to the Bulls, and became a global icon.

See, that's how you do it. Win first.

What do MJ, Ali and Tiger all have in common as global icons?

Winning. And winning big. Rising up to the challenge time and time again. And influencing the game they played.

[Air23]

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He's saying that because he happens to be a fan of one of the teams that had one of the player's he's mentioned. If Lebron had been a Bull all this time and has had the same seaons he's had so far up to this point, I doubt Air would have chimed in at all.

Wrong. I'm a fan of Wade and Kobe, but still wouldn't put them in the same class as Magic, Bird and MJ, despite what they've accomplished.

Also Lebron didnt hype himself up. The media did. It would be different if the boy was holding press conference after press conference before he stepped in to the league and had been writing books ala the NBA version of "Gimmie the Dam Ball". As far as the money he's gotten for endorsements and the commericals he's in. You cant blame him for that. If Nike threw 90+ million in my face and asked me to go on TV witih nothing on but a diaper with a swoosh on the azz I would. He didnt call up the media and say "hey hype me up" The media writes about him because they need something to write about to keep readers attention on thier publications. Nike gave him the cheese not because he demanded it, but because nike is INVESTING in him.

Sorry, brah, but Bron did hype himself up. "King James", "Chosen One" tatoo. If that ain't hype, I don't know what is.

And while i will say MJ is the greatest ever (to this date)....until he got a supporting cast and had the triangle, the Bulls werent doing jack.

Not the fault of MJ, who kept the Bulls challenging teams they didn't have any business playing against ('86 Celts, '88 and '89 Pistons).

[Air23]

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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the bulls make the playoffs every year that MJ was on their roster, regardless of the team around him? If this statement is true, would you consider that doing jack?

Bingo.