LeBron... what's your take?

[Cebby]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Please tell me what he's won? Rookie of the Year and one All-Star MVP.

Is that not more than your boy won by this age?

True, but a icon should have the ability to lead those other four players somewhere, or better yet put the team (whatever the make up) first, well before him (the individual) becoming an icon.

He did. He led the Cavs to the playoffs. Again, forget the best player on any team and look at each team's supporting cast. That tends to be a more accurate picture of who the best teams in the league is. And Lebron's happens to be pretty lame.

[lbartlett_32]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

He did. He led the Cavs to the playoffs. Again, forget the best player on any team and look at each team's supporting cast. That tends to be a more accurate picture of who the best teams in the league is. And Lebron's happens to be pretty lame.[/quote]

WTF? He has Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, and Z. He has one of the best teams around him in the Eastern Conference. How is his foul shooting? Horrible, and dow the stretch? Joke. He had a great sason last year, but thats one year. Go to 82games.com. He was 4 for 19 last season for game winning shots. Thats good. He was 6 for 10 from the foul line to win games. I suppose thats good. The Cavs blew out the Warriors without him and he has been to the playoffs once. Twice after this year. He is overrated and gets more calls than Jordan did.

Just so everyoneknows I used to be a Lebron fan, but I decided to quit swalloing the Kool-aid that everyone else still swallows, because I have watched him a lot and I can't root fo a guy who gets all cred for the wins and none for the losses.

[malek05]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Is that not more than your boy won by this age?



He did. He led the Cavs to the playoffs. Again, forget the best player on any team and look at each team's supporting cast. That tends to be a more accurate picture of who the best teams in the league is. And Lebron's happens to be pretty lame.

exactly. I mean he plays on a team that couldn't make a combined 10 shots against detroit in game 7 last year. 10 shots.... The team is so bad that 8 players...couldn't...combine...to...make...10...sh ot's.

they don't have a point guard, larry hughes is playing terrible, big z is right behind larry hughes, donyell marshal doesn't seem to understand that he is allowed to shoot in front of the 3 point line, the list goes on and on.

[pistoldill]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

He did. He led the Cavs to the playoffs. Again, forget the best player on any team and look at each team's supporting cast. That tends to be a more accurate picture of who the best teams in the league is. And Lebron's happens to be pretty lame.

WTF? He has Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, and Z. He has one of the best teams around him in the Eastern Conference. How is his foul shooting? Horrible, and dow the stretch? Joke. He had a great sason last year, but thats one year. Go to 82games.com. He was 4 for 19 last season for game winning shots. Thats good. He was 6 for 10 from the foul line to win games. I suppose thats good. The Cavs blew out the Warriors without him and he has been to the playoffs once. Twice after this year. He is overrated and gets more calls than Jordan did.

Just so everyoneknows I used to be a Lebron fan, but I decided to quit swalloing the Kool-aid that everyone else still swallows, because I have watched him a lot and I can't root fo a guy who gets all cred for the wins and none for the losses.[/QUOTE]

Just like Michael Jordan.

Yeah...shut up.

[lbartlett_32]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Just like Michael Jordan? What is just like Mike? Don't dare compare King Clangs to the Greatest of all times you tool.
P.S. Just so you know as well I hated Jordan until he came back from his first retirement. I then was able to realize how much he meant to the game. Larry the Legend fan here.

[Cebby]

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WTF? He has Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, and Z.

3 of the GOATs right there.

He has one of the best teams around him in the Eastern Conference.

He probably has about the 6th best team around him in the East, but the Cavs are way behind the Pistons, Heat, Bulls, and Wizards.

The Cavs blew out the Warriors without him and he has been to the playoffs once. Twice after this year.

That tends to happen when you take over the worst team in the NBA. His first season they only improved by 18 games.

Just like Michael Jordan? What is just like Mike? Don't dare compare King Clangs to the Greatest of all times you tool.

The fact that Jordan gets credit for every single win the Bulls had, and nobody ever cares about losses.

Obviously Lebron isn't as good as Jordan in his prime. Jordan is the GOAT and is well deserving of the title. But some of the things you bash LBJ for are pretty lame.

[WTF]

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Obviously, Lebron isn't in his prime yet either

[blackceasar]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Someone will eventually dethrone MJ as the GOAT. In our lifetime? Maybe, maybe not but it ALWAYS happens. Before MJ was a twinkle in his parents eyes the NBA had thier GOATS, and never thought someone would surpass them... MJ came into the league and did...and just as times change, who the GOAT will change as well.

Its no different than when the first man ran a mile in under 4 minutes, and everyone said no one else would ever do it. There are now high school kids doing it on the regular.

No one said there would be a golfer to surpass jack and arnie...and Jack and Arnie have both said Tiger is going to go down and the GOAT, above themselves.

No one said Ruths single season HR record would ever be broken. Maris did it. ( i would use Bonds here but it just wouldnt feel right).

The problem is you have some people who forever want to live in the past and they want thier favorite player that they got to watch growing up to always be the best the ever was. It somehow makes THEM feel l ike they were a part of that. Which is why you have some people who will put Jordaon on a pedistal and rightfully so, but will also tell you, one day, be in 10 years or 100 years from now that will knock him off that pedistal..then you have people like Air who cant see for forrest for the trees. His mind is closed off the the fact that one day Jordan will have happen to him what happened to Russel, Wilt, Magic, Bird, and DJ...he will get pushed down on the GOAT list.

[Cebby]

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<hr style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Someone will eventually dethrone MJ as the GOAT. In our lifetime? Maybe, maybe not but it ALWAYS happens. Before MJ was a twinkle in his parents eyes the NBA had thier GOATS, and never thought someone would surpass them... MJ came into the league and did...and just as times change, who the GOAT will change as well.

Its no different than when the first man ran a mile in under 4 minutes, and everyone said no one else would ever do it. There are now high school kids doing it on the regular.

No one said there would be a golfer to surpass jack and arnie...and Jack and Arnie have both said Tiger is going to go down and the GOAT, above themselves.

No one said Ruths single season HR record would ever be broken. Maris did it. ( i would use Bonds here but it just wouldnt feel right).

1. Obviously records are going to get broken. With the nutrition and chemicals we have now, players are going to continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger. And Ruth's record may have been broken, but Ruth is still the GOAT.

2. Jordan's dominance is him being the best at pretty much everything and doing it against the best. Maybe one day someone will be better, but I doubt it'll be soon.

[dossier]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

I have three problems regarding Lebron James.

1. He was given too much hype. I know for a fact that he is one of the top 5 players offensively in the NBA. Sure he might not be first in pts per game, but look what he has to use, the second best player is decent at BEST. So they always throw double teams at him, and he still scores. At least Dwyane Wade has the most dominant player of all time. Kobe however, is older and has more expirence, but a less talented team (with Odom out and yes I know Bynum is going to be a great player but he's not their yet

2. His basketball IQ. Lebron is almost always the one making a dumb decision. Everyone says how Lebron never wants to taking the game winning shot, well let me tell you, if you want to be a global icon then that is what you have to do. Also, Lebron is always trying to do things that he is not capable of doing which is apart of 3

3. His confidence in his abilities. I remember watching him play against the Heat the other day andhe took a shot from like 26 ft out. Lebron, I know you have made threes before but stick to your range. The only way you should be allowed to shoot the rock from that far is when you're either in crunch time trying to score, or if your on fire. Michael didn't take shots from out there in the middle of the 3rd quarter when its almost tied, he'd drive to the rack where he was at his best, that is exactly what you should be doing. And then when it is crunch time in the fourth quarter, instead of drving or taking the 16 - 18 ft shot, he passes the ball to Damon Jones. Sure he is a good 3pt shooter but he doesn't have the drive or the ambition to be the best like Lebron

[WTF]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

If you were really watching that game, he had hit his previous, and even the announcer said it was a heat check 3...

And his basketball IQ? Are you serious? The guys continually makes the right play, his teammates just can't finish.

He does have his downfalls, but his court awareness, and basketball IQ are untouchable at his age. He does make his mistakes, but with age, he'll get better, and learn when to take over the game, and how to pace himself moreso.

But the 3 that he took the other night was a heat check. One thing that he needs to do, even with a heat check, is square his body up for the shot, and shoot w/ some type of decent form. He NEVER shoots w/ the same form. I do like that he's taking it to the hoop moreso now, but still...

[jmood88]

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I have three problems regarding Lebron James.

1. He was given too much hype. I know for a fact that he is one of the top 5 players offensively in the NBA. Sure he might not be first in pts per game, but look what he has to use, the second best player is decent at BEST. So they always throw double teams at him, and he still scores. At least Dwyane Wade has the most dominant player of all time. Kobe however, is older and has more expirence, but a less talented team (with Odom out and yes I know Bynum is going to be a great player but he's not their yet

2. His basketball IQ. Lebron is almost always the one making a dumb decision. Everyone says how Lebron never wants to taking the game winning shot, well let me tell you, if you want to be a global icon then that is what you have to do. Also, Lebron is always trying to do things that he is not capable of doing which is apart of 3

3. His confidence in his abilities. I remember watching him play against the Heat the other day andhe took a shot from like 26 ft out. Lebron, I know you have made threes before but stick to your range. The only way you should be allowed to shoot the rock from that far is when you're either in crunch time trying to score, or if your on fire. Michael didn't take shots from out there in the middle of the 3rd quarter when its almost tied, he'd drive to the rack where he was at his best, that is exactly what you should be doing. And then when it is crunch time in the fourth quarter, instead of drving or taking the 16 - 18 ft shot, he passes the ball to Damon Jones. Sure he is a good 3pt shooter but he doesn't have the drive or the ambition to be the best like Lebron

It's hilarious that people complain about him not taking the last shot when he tries to give it to whoever is in the best position to make it. What's the point of taking the last shot just to take it?

[blackceasar]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

1. Obviously records are going to get broken. With the nutrition and chemicals we have now, players are going to continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger. And Ruth's record may have been broken, but Ruth is still the GOAT.

2. Jordan's dominance is him being the best at pretty much everything and doing it against the best. Maybe one day someone will be better, but I doubt it'll be soon.

Well one day someone will surpass Ruth as well. I know its hard for some people to let that go because they are so used to it being the way it is for so long. It will happen sooner or later, rather later, but still, you need to get over it.

As far as 2, goes, i dont think anyone here is even saying someone whos playing in the league right now will be the one to take his place as the GOAT, but someone will sooner or later. For you to think it would never happen is foolish. Might as well drive your car 90mph everywhere u go with no insurance cuz you say youll never have an accident.

[Tmacattack]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the bulls make the playoffs every year that MJ was on their roster, regardless of the team around him? If this statement is true, would you consider that doing jack?

I'm not sure about this, but i remember hearing that the record of those bulls teams weren't that impressive at all when they made the playoffs, as they made the playoffs because of the weak strength of the conference. I heard that they only had 30 something wins the first 3 years...

[Air23]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Oh please Air. You say LeBron hasnt done anything, that making the playoffs, getting ROY and winning an All-Star MVP means nothing and he should be int he conference finals, but then its ok that MJ only was getting to the playoffs without a supporting cast?

Guess what? LeBron's doing the same thing so far in his career with a horrible team. Forget this bs about the hype. Your using it as a way to make LBJ look bad. At the end of the day, hype means nothing. Its all about the play on the court and when you make it ok for MJ to just make the playoffs, but not LBJ, thats a complete double standard.

I don't give a damn. You hype the hell outta the boy, let his *** live up to it.

My point is, back in the day, stars didn't get overhyped BEFORE it was warranted. MJ didn't get it. Bird didn't get it. Magic didn't get it.

Lebron was hyped in high school, with some saying he'd be the best ever. That turned me off from the gettyup.

If the boy dominates the League, I'll give him his props. Until then, it's nothing but--wait for it---hype.