LeBron... what's your take?

[Court_vision]

Re: LeBron... what's your take?

Marshall, Pavolic, both had WIDE OPEN 3's thanks to LBJ... but neither of them could hit the broad side of a barn.

Agreed...it's not LBJ's fault guys miss OPEN shots.

For all the Jordan lovers out there...people forget that it was STEVE KERR and JOHN PAXSON who hit championship winning shots for the Bulls.

They hit them because MJ got them free...

LBJ is doing that...he just needs guys like Kerr on his team.

[chance]

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Thats good. Wade has a ring. Melo hasn't misssed the playoffs. Howard is a all-star on the best team in th league. CB4 is carrying his team. Let me guess Lebron's team is worse. Whatever, guys always have bad nights and his team had a bad night. Lebron had a decent night. Please don't overhype 39 points. Jamal Crawfod has dropped 50+ in a game. You King Clangs fans kill me because you always have an excuse. Z is the best second best C in the East. Larry Hughes was supposed to be his Pippen. Varejo won he game for him against Raptors (It was an over-the-back that wasn't called), and he once again passed up a game winning shot. For instance; tonight he got fouled hard and he once again has an excuse for being a CHOKE artist on 4 shots. Maybe one day he will be worth mentioning with Kobe and Wade, but never with the big three.

The funny thing is I'm not a LeBron fan but I'm not stupid either. How is D-Wades team doing now and Bron is carrying his team too and they have a better record then the Raps so that makes no sense. And do u really think Josh Howard is better than LeBron if u traded them just 4 each other the Mavs would have rings and the Cavs wouldnt be any where near the playoffs and thats a fact.

[lbartlett_32]

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Thank you.




No...actually that was pretty bad. Go check some stats...LeBrons support is non-existent. No really, go look and then come in here and make an argument for them. Go look at the figures and tell me just how great Hughes and Gooden have been. Heres the LINK. And Bird and Magic had no hype? Are you serious? They had just come off one of the greatest individual battles in NCAA history...They both had mad hype coming in. Thats what made them compelling rivals...two young studs with opposing styles. They literally saved in the NBA in the early 80's.

Bottom line LeBron has been an MVP candidiate, and been a top 10 player in the league since he stepped on the court...at 18. Thousands of players...THOUSANDS...have been in and out of this league, and at an age where most "greats" were still freshmen chasing college tail, he's put up "only three other players in NBA history have done this" type numbers. Yeah, thats over-hyped....he's only been more productive than 99% of the leagues history..why not 99.8%? OVERHYPED! lol. Doesn't deserve the hype? Please...he's exceeded it.

No matter how many lame *** media types try to generate readership by calling him out ("this will be the big story, seriously! you heard it here first!" weak, Bill Simmons...real weak.), the Cavs are still in the thick of the East with severely underacheiving supporting cast...even though the kid is worn out. This season, for him the goal is homecourt in the playoffs. Thats it. Nothing else matters. Get these bums to the playoffs.

Based on your logic, MJ should have had the Bulls in the Finals 15 times reguardless of age/situation. Wizards not in the Finals = MJ overhyped! :y4:

Uh wher sould I start.
1.) Lebron is supposed to make people better he has made Larry worse. Look at the past and present before making your case.
2.) Bird, Magic, and MJ all had hype. 3 rings for Bird, 3 for Magic, and 6 for Mike. I know, I know they all had better teams, but please don't argue that they didn't have better competition.
3.) He was a top tenplayer his rookie year? Do you even watch basketball or just highlights.
4.) Everyone in the NBA gets their fair share of calls, but he gets his and Jordan's share.
5.) Jordan was 38 with the Wiz and still could ice games from the line and I was at his last game winning jumper in Gund Arena. You know, the house as well as many others that MJ owned.
6.) Why is he tired? If you dare say the Olympics I am going to feed you to my Pits. Melo league leader in scoring, Wade the MVP candidate til the injury, D. Howard the NEXT and the second leading rebounder, and I don't know who else was on the same team that Clangs struggled on.
7.) Lead his team to homecourt in he East, that's a huge accomplishment. The East has one great team (2 if Wade were healthy). That great team is Detroit so don't get too excited for the Sadaliers.
9.) No matter how many lame media types? Are you serious? No one calls him out he has his *** kissed by everyone. His highlights (that must be the only thing you watch) are always just showing his good things and never his bad things. If Arenas shoots poorly it is well documented. If Kobe has 6 TO's, well documented. Dwight Howard gets punched on it is a top ten play. Lebron has bricked more free throws at the end of games that never made it to Sportscenter it is nuts.

Well get your rebuddles ready. I can't wait to see these. By the way did anyone hear about Melo's sprained index finger on his shooting hand. No and for good reason. Injuries happen and players pla through them. Lebron hasa sprained big toe and all the sudden has another excuse. Now the ribs.

[lbartlett_32]

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The funny thing is I'm not a LeBron fan but I'm not stupid either. How is D-Wades team doing now and Bron is carrying his team too and they have a better record then the Raps so that makes no sense. And do u really think Josh Howard is better than LeBron if u traded them just 4 each other the Mavs would have rings and the Cavs wouldnt be any where near the playoffs and thats a fact.

Fact hey. Prove it.

[lbartlett_32]

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Agreed...it's not LBJ's fault guys miss OPEN shots.

For all the Jordan lovers out there...people forget that it was STEVE KERR and JOHN PAXSON who hit championship winning shots for the Bulls.

They hit them because MJ got them free...

LBJ is doing that...he just needs guys like Kerr on his team.

Excellent you have com eup with two big shots in Jordans long career that he has passed up on. Good work. By the way did you know that the shot Paxson hit Jordan had every point in the fourth quarter of that game. Every point but 3. That means no one else scored. I figured I would make that very clear.

[HMcCoy]

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Fact hey. Prove it.

Given Lebron's career successes to this point, theres nothing to prove. If you think he's garbage, thats cool. Everyone has an opinion, right? :y4:

Take care...

[WTF]

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Given Lebron's career successes to this point, theres nothing to prove. If you think he's garbage, thats cool. Everyone has an opinion, right? :y4:

Take care...

Couldn't agree more... An opinion is like a butthole... everyone has one.. and in this case, some people's stink.... lol.

[Taur3asi3]

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Not that this has anything to do with anything but Magic got 5 rings not 3

[blackceasar]

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Thats good. Wade has a ring. Melo hasn't misssed the playoffs. .

1. Basketball is a team sport. Its not f-king golf where youre a one man show. Lebron isnt playing in the British Open and missing the cut.

2. Wade has a ring. Yeah, and If you swapped Cleavland's and Miami's draft picks that year. Im not exactly saying the Heat would have definately still won that championship, but Ill bet you my next years salary that Wade would not have got a ring with Cleveland that year.

While championships are nice and all...unless youre playing a 1 man sport (golf, tennis, even racing) they just dont carry AS much weight in my eyes when you are looking at individual players. How can you expect to judge a single players greatness based off of his championships in a team sport? Because if you use THAT logic..i dont care what case you try to make for MJ.... then Bill Russel > MJ. period...doesnt matter how popular MJ was and it doesnt matter how much attention he brought to the NBA. If youre gonna have a hard on for using championships to judge an individual players greatness in a team sport then MJ cant even be Bill Russel's ball boy.

So lets keep it real here. The Wade 1, Lebron 0 on championshps doesnt really mean anything.

As far as the placing of Melo on your pedistal... wait... *sniff*... DOH! ...I smell homerism.

[ZB9]

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as far as tonight against Dallas...the Cavs would have been blown out if not for Lebron. He had a great game. James was the reason why Cleveland was close at the end.

and he didnt choke imo, Lebron just isnt good at shooting FTs. He really needs to improve that part of his game if he wants to be anywhere close to MJ comparisons.

His defensive intensity could be more consistent also because, although he is a very good defender, Lebron certainly has the talent to be an all-NBA (MJ) type of defender imo. It seems that either his defensive IQ isnt nearly as high as his offensive IQ, or he just coasts on defense more than he should because he has to conserve himself to carry his team on offense. MJ was as concerned about defense as he was offense. Jordan would try to shut down whomever he was covering. but maybe thats not fair to Lebron, because MJ was one of the best defenders of all time.

also, is it me or has his passing regressed this year? ...or is it that his supporting cast is worse than it was the past couple of seasons and he doesnt have consistent options to pass to?

[Brandon13]

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As far as the placing of Melo on your pedistal... wait... *sniff*... DOH! ...I smell homerism.

:y4:

[Muzyk23]

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I'm so freaking fed up with everybody comparing players of today to MJ. I ask..on the basis of what?

[ZB9]

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I'm so freaking fed up with everybody comparing players of today to MJ. I ask..on the basis of what?

people compare Lebron to MJ because that is somewhat how he set himself up. Lebron went along with and perpetuated some of the "next MJ" stuff.

but he certainly did his Jordan impression tonight. Regardless of his missed shots at the very end, Lebron was the reason why Cleveland was close and had a chance to win the game at the end. If not for Lebron, the Cavs would have been blown out tonight imo.

[HMcCoy]

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His defensive intensity could be more consistent also because, although he is a very good defender, Lebron certainly has the talent to be an all-NBA (MJ) type of defender imo. It seems that either his defensive IQ isnt nearly as high as his offensive IQ, or he just coasts on defense more than he should because he has to conserve himself to carry his team on offense. MJ was as concerned about defense as he was offense. Jordan would try to shut down whomever he was covering. but maybe thats not fair to Lebron, because MJ was one of the best defenders of all time.

also, is it me or has his passing regressed this year? ...or is it that his supporting cast is worse than it was the past couple of seasons and he doesnt have consistent options to pass to?

Bron bron has below average lateral movement..."Tight" hips they say. He's never been a good on-ball defender, which I think is why he gambles so much to make up for it. Bron's future as a good defender is going to hinge on playing decent man D based on playing angles, and being a smart passing lane guy and help defender. He'll never be a standout defender, IMO.

As far as the passing, the Cavs tried to install a new offensive sytem this year, but the guys are struggling with it (hence the grumbling about tempo). Last year their scheme was too predictable...Let Bron dribble around a screen or two and and set up at the top, trying to break down his man 1-on-1. Now, they try to let the PG's handle the ball primarily letting James post up and cut more often. He has fewer opportunities to stand there reading the doubles/triple teams now...which is how he was able to slice teams up with his passing. This also hurts Lebrons image because he has the ball in his hands less, and can now "disappear" for stretches. I don't think he coasts, the offense just doesn't go through him as much as it has in the past.

It also doesn't help that the league now knows James loves to skip passes across the court, and are scheming better for that. Teams know to watch the deep corners and the basket cutter when they shift to cover him. I've seen quite a few of his cross-court attempts get picked off this season. I wouldn't say he's regressed, but the league has gotten better at defending his "vision".

Overall, this has been a tougher season for Lebron. They can't sneak up on anyone anymore. They are now "a team to beat", and Mike brown has said that they just weren't ready for that. Yet, the Cavs are still in the thick of things, and will still be a top seed in the East. I still see the cavs with the #2 record in the Leastern, which is great considering how inconsistent these guys have looked...

[Vince]

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The Raptors are challenging the Cavs for 2nd. Big game coming up next week.