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  • ibe3zy
    Banned
    • Aug 2008
    • 127

    #811
    Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

    The News Herald doesn't believe that Hamilton will fit with Ben Gordon in Detroit, and Utah has been rumored to prefer the younger Paul Millsap at power forward all along.
    I don't think either player wants to come off of the bench and since Avery Johnson is most likely the next coach of the Piston, the best move for them is to get rid of Hamilton.

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    • HMcCoy
      All Star
      • Jan 2003
      • 8212

      #812
      Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      LMAO. Andy leaving over 6 million on the table deciding to opt out makes me

      Dice would be a good catch for you.. Forget Wally and Andy though, unless they sign for the minimum forget em.

      Frye is worthless IMO. Just worthless. Forget him as well. No time to take a risk on gambling for Frye to be ready to contribute to a championship team. He's yet to find an identity on this level.

      Best case scenario for CLE is any two of this combo: Dice/Marion/Parker/Kleiza
      Fegan is a moron. No one is going to pay huge money for a lunchpail guy with great intangibles. This is a glam league. Varejao is worth around what he was making and thats it. Once again poor Andy has the door slammed in his face in FA, lol.

      Fegan also says Marion isn't taking a mid-level deal unless there is absolutely nothing else out there for him, and Kleiza can't guard 3's or 4's. At least Wally did a good job banging in the post. Dice and Parker would be nice, but then Dice can't guard a quick 4, so again we would still have a hole unless we pick up a really cheap backup SF. Grant Hill would have worked beautifully in a small lineup, but Parker can guard a SF also, so again, Id love to get him in here. Everything I read still has Dice going back to DET though, and we might as well pick Joe Beast back up if all we want is an old PF with a 15 footer

      I wish Mike Brown would give Kinsey some burn, he actually played well when called upon. He should be fitting in right where Shannon Brown has in La La.
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      • Muzyk23
        MVP
        • Feb 2003
        • 4192

        #813
        Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

        Originally posted by ibe3zy
        I don't think either player wants to come off of the bench and since Avery Johnson is most likely the next coach of the Piston, the best move for them is to get rid of Hamilton.

        he probably hasn't got over the loss of Billups yet..f@$# cry baby
        NBA

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        • Vince
          Bow for Bau
          • Aug 2002
          • 26017

          #814
          Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

          Okay, the Marion to Dallas deal would have zero benefit to the Raptors. They'd still have zero capspace and and only enough to sign Hedo. They would still lose their MLE and LLE.

          So basically Colangelo is doing this for Marion because he drafted him and he wants to do him a favor by getting him a better deal.
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          • Kruza
            Mainstream Outlaw
            • Jul 2002
            • 6285

            #815
            Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

            Originally posted by HMcCoy
            In other news, whilw there have been denials on both sides "sources" say DET is talking to UTA about a Rip for Boozer swap, which would make perfect sense. Worth watching.

            Actually, that move wouldn't make sense for Utah because they're taking on way too much salary once they acquire Rip's contract, which would really hurt their chances to re-sign Paul Millsap and Mehmet Okur -- both of whom they wish to keep long term. But I wouldn't be mad if this deal happens. It gives the Pistons a lot of flexibility to make big moves while retooling the roster during the summer of 2010 along with putting out a fairly competitive team on the court for this upcoming year.

            Kruza

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            • wildcatchild
              MVP
              • Jan 2003
              • 2129

              #816
              Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

              Originally posted by Cebby
              No, it doesn't. I don't know where he would have been on that team, but if he was knocking down almost 48% of his 3s and playing solid defense, it'd probably be about where he was this year.

              Carter was 9th in points, Kleiza was 9th in minutes. Take your pick of standards.

              They were playing at high levels for rookies, but they weren't even All Stars or 3rd team All NBA in 2004. Now they're MVP winners and 1st and 2nd team All NBA.

              Sure I can.

              We didn't send the NBA MVP and best PF. We didn't send our top 2 centers. We didn't send our top 5 guards. How did we not send a "weak team"? Of the 12 American All-NBA players, we sent 1. Of the 20 American All Stars, we sent 2. That's the definition of a "weak team."

              The "Redeem Team" won every game by double digits and 7 of the 8 games by 20+ points. And that was missing the top 2 American PFs in the NBA. The Redeem Team wasn't the Dream Team, but it was the closest thing to it.

              Lastly, I'm not sure that the 2008 Spain team is a team to overly disparage. 4 of their players are 10+ PPG players in the NBA and another would likely have been the #2 pick if he was willing to sign.

              International basketball has come a long way. The Dream Team was the best team ever and likely won't be surpassed, but the 2004 team was a terrible team by USA standards. The 2008 team was not the best the US could have sent yet was the second best basketball team ever assembled.
              You make some interesting points and I find myself seeing your point of view better after this post (OMG, Wildcats and Gators agreeing, the world is coming to an end). But I think what is being lost is my original post is my claim that the depth of NBA Basketball isn't what it used to be.

              It was probably a bad idea for me to use the 2004 Olympics as proof that American Basketball has slipped - yes, that team was poorly constructed and the wrong players were playing. Really though, and I will believe this until the day I die, the 1992 version of the 2004 team, i.e. the "C" team, would have still waxed any International foe. I'm thinking players like Joe Dumars, Brad Daugherty, Mark Price, and maybe even guys like Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, etc. I just feel like in 1992 the overall talent was better, the players shot the ball better, weren't as athletic, yes, but were smarter, hungrier, and more fundamentally sound.

              I just see so many flawed players in the NBA now that are overpaid, players that IMO would never have been much of a factor back in the NBA's hey day because their weaknesses would have been absolutely exploited. Do you really think someone like Charlie Villanueva, a guy that coasts through most games, would be as coveted as he was back in the day? Are NBA GM's really that dumb nowadays? Take Ariza, for example. He has ONE good playoffs so Houston throws $33 million at him. Really? This "5th or 6th option" is worth that much? My how times have changed.

              Am I biased because I grew up in the 80's and 90's? Possibly. But I trust my basketball observations, and I just think the quality of NBA Basketball has dipped, and so too has the interest level of the fans.
              "He who controlleths the backboard, controlleths the game." - Adolph Rupp

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              • ryanm1058123
                Banned
                • Jan 2004
                • 3628

                #817
                Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                Why do people think trading away Boozer will help Utah? Millisap isn't half the player Boozer is. Everything Millisap does, Boozer does better. Boozer's negatives is that he's a crappy shot blocker and pretty much a crappy defender. But he rebounds well. Thats Milisap's only positive.

                Trading away Boozer for Rip would make Utah much much worse.

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                • tehova
                  b**-r*y
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 3694

                  #818
                  Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                  trade away Boozer because he will leave at the end of next season anyway. If you don't trade him, you have to match any offers for Milsap or you could end up with no powerforwards next season.

                  Problem with that is, if you match for Milsap, that puts you waaaaay over the cap and you still would only have 11 players on the roster. I wouldn't trade for Rip and his contract but I would trade him somewhere.
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                  • Vince
                    Bow for Bau
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26017

                    #819
                    Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                    Boozer isn't so much better than Millsap.

                    He averaged 16 points and 11 boards as a starter when Booze was out. Those are David Lee numbers and he wants 10 million.

                    Boozer will probably want max money which he doesn't deserves because he can never stay healthy.
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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #820
                      Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                      Bobby Simmons and a draft pick for Boozer. Get'er done, Thorn.
                      #RespectTheCulture

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                      • ryanm1058123
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3628

                        #821
                        Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                        Originally posted by Vince
                        Boozer isn't so much better than Millsap.

                        He averaged 16 points and 11 boards as a starter when Booze was out. Those are David Lee numbers and he wants 10 million.

                        Boozer will probably want max money which he doesn't deserves because he can never stay healthy.
                        Uhm, you forget the fact that Boozer can create his own offense out of the post. And actually has post moves. and range. Millisap can't shoot, period. It's all based on garbage.

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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #822
                          Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                          Millsap's grit almost close the talent gap between him and Booze.

                          Boozer has turned into a jump shooter, which was puzzling. Maybe he was feeling the effects of that injury, but last year in my view the difference between the two was minimal. Once again it could have been that injury to Boozer, but Millsap looked better at times.

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                          • Kruza
                            Mainstream Outlaw
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 6285

                            #823
                            Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                            Originally posted by ibe3zy
                            I don't think either player wants to come off of the bench and since Avery Johnson is most likely the next coach of the Piston, the best move for them is to get rid of Hamilton.

                            It's being reported that Avery Johnson is out of the running as Pistons head coach now.

                            Source: Pistons no longer considering Johnson

                            Kruza

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                            • ryanm1058123
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 3628

                              #824
                              Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Millsap's grit almost close the talent gap between him and Booze.

                              Boozer has turned into a jump shooter, which was puzzling. Maybe he was feeling the effects of that injury, but last year in my view the difference between the two was minimal. Once again it could have been that injury to Boozer, but Millsap looked better at times.
                              grit? haha.

                              you can't run your offense around milisap. you can run it around boozer. which makes him that much more valuable

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                              • ex carrabba fan
                                I'll thank him for you
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 32744

                                #825
                                Re: Official NBA Offseason/Player Movement Thread

                                Originally posted by ryanm1058123
                                grit? haha.

                                you can't run your offense around milisap. you can run it around boozer. which makes him that much more valuable
                                Grit/defense.

                                Of course you can't run offense around Milsap, he isn't that type of player. Depending on the surrounding personnel, Milsap could be more valuable.

                                I'm not saying Milsap>Boozer

                                I am saying that you're exaggerating, but I'm not really here to change your mind just stating my opinion. When it comes to Player A vs. Player B discussions, they rarely stay productive.

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