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  • RayAllen20
    MVP
    • Jun 2009
    • 1825

    #91
    Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

    Can I ask you guys something what is the definition of a point guard? IMO isn't the definition somebody that controls the game, shares the ball, has great dribbling and court vision. NOT to score 25 ppg for your team.

    If you watch Rondo he excels at what he is supposed to do. He is supposed to score about 10 points find the Ray Allen and Paul Pierce coming off screens, and run the P&R all night with KG and Sheed. The guy has 3 OMG passes a night too. You could whine about how the Big 3 makes him so much better than he is and blah blah blah. But really the Big 3 holds back his scoring. If Rondo was on NJ, he would be scoring over 23 ppg, no doubt about it. In the playoffs with KG gone, he took the role as star, and then delivered.

    Also Boston has the best defense in the league. You could say it is because their excellent communication, but I think it starts with Rondo not allowing penetration. When he doesn't gamble, he is possibly the best or second best on-ball defender in the league.

    I also don't understand how some people are saying his rebounding numbers don't matter that much unless your putting up J. Kidd numbers. The best thing about Rondo is that he does this mostly on the offensive end. He has kept so many possessions alive with offensive rebounds.

    Also how are people saying no body guards him? The Lakers believed Rondo was the key to the Celtics, and put their best defender, Kobe Bryant on him to stop him (I'm not making this up, it was said by one of the sideline reporters during the Finals). His jumper isn't top level, but if you give it to him he'll hit it. He's really not that bad of a shooter. He hit some clutch 3s as the shot clock was winding down during the playoffs last year.He isn't at the level where he can pull up and hit mid-range jumpers, but then again that's not the type of player he is. Last year during the playoffs, teams gave him wide open 17 foot jumpers, and he consistently hit them in the playoffs.

    BTW, Boston would never ever trade Rondo for Devin Harris. Devin Harris is all show. He is a score-first PG. Has nowhere near the vision, defensive skills, and rebounding skills Rondo has.

    The reason the Celtics are worried about Rondo is his off-the-court issues. During game 1 against the Magic, he ate spicy chicken an hour before the game. He was sick, only showed up 10 minutes before the game, and played terribly. Also he is a little feisty during practices and stuff like that. I don't blame him though, as he's probably getting in tussles with KG lol. If your gonna lead a team with this many stars, you have to stand up for yourself. Unfortunately, I think Rondo does it too much. Also they want to get rid off CAP and trade players like Ray before 2010, but teams want Rondo in return.

    What I'm trying to say is, is that Rondo is the best fit for the Celtics. Devin Harris is good for a scoring PG role, but as a pass-first PG not so much.
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    • SidVish
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      • Apr 2003
      • 11743

      #92
      Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

      Originally posted by Taur3asi3
      I'd absolutely love to know what in Danny Ainge's opinion is wrong with Rondo. I've never seen a GM trash and constantly keep trying to trade a really good player who to my knowledge isnt a chronic felon or troublemaker.
      Originally posted by DC
      ^ Same here. I want to know what REALLY is going on

      I actually just read an article in ESPN the Mag(Thanks DC for the $2.00 subscription) about Rondo. Here are some quotes I found but you have to read the whole article to get the entire story.

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      • PrettyT11
        MVP
        • Jul 2008
        • 3220

        #93
        Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

        Originally posted by NBA2k8 CHAMP
        I'm just going to leave on this. "The Big 3 cleared the lane for this to happen"

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        Are your eyes not working?? You can see plain as day in this clip that NOBODY was guarding Rondo. Alston was playing off of him all night. If you watched the game you would have seen that. Hell in the clip Rafer was almost at the three point helping off of Rondo.

        Rondo took advantage of that and made a great play but lets not act like he just broke down the D and made it happen.

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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
          Once in a Lifetime Memory
          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #94
          Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

          Originally posted by SidVish
          I actually just read an article in ESPN the Mag(Thanks DC for the $2.00 subscription) about Rondo. Here are some quotes I found but you have to read the whole article to get the entire story.

          http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/10/2...le-in-espn-mag
          Which issue is this in? I get the ESPN Mag but I don't think I've seen this one yet.
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          • SidVish
            2010,13,15,16 CHAMPS!
            • Apr 2003
            • 11743

            #95
            Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
            Which issue is this in? I get the ESPN Mag but I don't think I've seen this one yet.
            The most recent one. I believe it's the 11/2 issue. I just got it in the mail a couple of days ago.
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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
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              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #96
              Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

              Originally posted by SidVish
              The most recent one. I believe it's the 11/2 issue. I just got it in the mail a couple of days ago.

              Alright cool. The newest one I have right now is the Body Issue
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              • SidVish
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                • Apr 2003
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                #97
                Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                Alright cool. The newest one I have right now is the Body Issue

                Yes it's the one after the body issue.
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                • SpacemanSpiff
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 1279

                  #98
                  Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                  Originally posted by PrettyT11
                  Are your eyes not working?? You can see plain as day in this clip that NOBODY was guarding Rondo. Alston was playing off of him all night. If you watched the game you would have seen that. Hell in the clip Rafer was almost at the three point helping off of Rondo.

                  Rondo took advantage of that and made a great play but lets not act like he just broke down the D and made it happen.
                  ROFL, I can't believe he used THAT clip to prove his point. Oh Lordy, how is that dunking ON Dwight Howard? How did Rondo beat anyone on that play, everyone just watched him, he didn't have to beat anyone. If that's the best the Rondo-backers can bring, that's sad.
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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #99
                    Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                    So Devin Harris plays no defense anymore huh...
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #100
                      Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                      Do you think it's a coincidence that Devin Harris average 14.5 points on a CONTENDER shooting 48%

                      Then went to a bottom feeder and averaged 21 ppg on 43% shooting?

                      It's the fact he plays for one of the worse teams in the league and has no pressure on him nor anyone he needs to feed the ball too.Before the move to New Jersey everyone thought Devin Harris couldn't shoot, but all of a sudden he moves to a bottom feeder and has a totally new offensive game
                      Not even going to bother to address this.
                      #RespectTheCulture

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                      • Jukeman
                        Showtime
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10955

                        #101
                        Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                        Originally posted by RayAllen20
                        Can I ask you guys something what is the definition of a point guard? IMO isn't the definition somebody that controls the game, shares the ball, has great dribbling and court vision. NOT to score 25 ppg for your team.

                        If you watch Rondo he excels at what he is supposed to do. He is supposed to score about 10 points find the Ray Allen and Paul Pierce coming off screens, and run the P&R all night with KG and Sheed. The guy has 3 OMG passes a night too. You could whine about how the Big 3 makes him so much better than he is and blah blah blah. But really the Big 3 holds back his scoring. If Rondo was on NJ, he would be scoring over 23 ppg, no doubt about it. In the playoffs with KG gone, he took the role as star, and then delivered.

                        Also Boston has the best defense in the league. You could say it is because their excellent communication, but I think it starts with Rondo not allowing penetration. When he doesn't gamble, he is possibly the best or second best on-ball defender in the league.

                        I also don't understand how some people are saying his rebounding numbers don't matter that much unless your putting up J. Kidd numbers. The best thing about Rondo is that he does this mostly on the offensive end. He has kept so many possessions alive with offensive rebounds.

                        Also how are people saying no body guards him? The Lakers believed Rondo was the key to the Celtics, and put their best defender, Kobe Bryant on him to stop him (I'm not making this up, it was said by one of the sideline reporters during the Finals). His jumper isn't top level, but if you give it to him he'll hit it. He's really not that bad of a shooter. He hit some clutch 3s as the shot clock was winding down during the playoffs last year.He isn't at the level where he can pull up and hit mid-range jumpers, but then again that's not the type of player he is. Last year during the playoffs, teams gave him wide open 17 foot jumpers, and he consistently hit them in the playoffs.

                        BTW, Boston would never ever trade Rondo for Devin Harris. Devin Harris is all show. He is a score-first PG. Has nowhere near the vision, defensive skills, and rebounding skills Rondo has.

                        The reason the Celtics are worried about Rondo is his off-the-court issues. During game 1 against the Magic, he ate spicy chicken an hour before the game. He was sick, only showed up 10 minutes before the game, and played terribly. Also he is a little feisty during practices and stuff like that. I don't blame him though, as he's probably getting in tussles with KG lol. If your gonna lead a team with this many stars, you have to stand up for yourself. Unfortunately, I think Rondo does it too much. Also they want to get rid off CAP and trade players like Ray before 2010, but teams want Rondo in return.

                        What I'm trying to say is, is that Rondo is the best fit for the Celtics. Devin Harris is good for a scoring PG role, but as a pass-first PG not so much.
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                        • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1918

                          #102
                          Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                          Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                          Game 1: 15 points in the fourth quarter, 24 overall, game-winning circus shot with 5 seconds left. Put the team on his back and willed them to victory.

                          Game 2: 18 points, 20 assists, 6 rebounds.

                          You all should be ashamed for dismissing Steve Nash this soon.

                          I would take Nash over Billups.

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                          • NBA2k8 CHAMP
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1918

                            #103
                            Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                            Originally posted by PrettyT11
                            Are your eyes not working?? You can see plain as day in this clip that NOBODY was guarding Rondo. Alston was playing off of him all night. If you watched the game you would have seen that. Hell in the clip Rafer was almost at the three point helping off of Rondo.

                            Rondo took advantage of that and made a great play but lets not act like he just broke down the D and made it happen.

                            You again?

                            Aren't you the same person that said the "Big 3" makes Rondo?

                            Aren't I the same person who owned you and said the "Big 3" Holds him back?

                            Didn't when KG go down Rondo became arguably the best player on the team?

                            Also you need "Breakdown Clips"

                            I'm sorry "NOBODY" Was guarding him

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                            THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO SEE!!!!! A Rondo lead team

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                            • PrettyT11
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3220

                              #104
                              Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                              Originally posted by NBA2k8 CHAMP
                              You again?

                              Aren't you the same person that said the "Big 3" makes Rondo?

                              Aren't I the same person who owned you and said the "Big 3" Holds him back?

                              Didn't when KG go down Rondo became arguably the best player on the team?

                              Also you need "Breakdown Clips"

                              I'm sorry "NOBODY" Was guarding him
                              LOL you can believe that owned crap if you want to. I believe once again you got your facts and your memory mixed up. I never said they made him. What I and many many other people said was that he benefits greatly from having those three guys. There is no disputing that fact. If you quit sack riding Rondo long enough you could realize that.

                              You are just flat out dumb if you think playing with three hall of famers who allow you to play one on one when somebody actually guards you is being held back. That ignores all logic. Just look at how much easier than game is Pau Gasol now that he has top level players around him. Same goes for Kobe. You go ask him if playing with Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Artest and the others are holding him back and if he wants Smush and Brian Cook back. It doesn't take much to realize the better the players around you the easier the game becomes.

                              You can laugh at the clip all you want but YOU are the person who posted it and acted like it was all Rondo and the other guys had nothing to do with it. If you want to laugh about laugh at yourself.

                              One last thing about this idiotic idea you have about those guys holding him back. It was funny Steve Smith and Dennis Scott was asked last night who they would rather have Rondo or Rose. They both took Rose and they said Rondo was perfect for the system he is in and playing with those guys. While Rose is already getting it done as the number one guy. They said if Rondo was put in the number one role he wouldn't have the level of success he has now. Kenny Smith, Kevin McHale, and Barkley have all said the same thing. Hmmmm wonder where we have heard or read that before. But I guess those actual NBA players and a couple of Hall of Famers don't know what they are talking about either or are you going so called "own" them to??

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                              • fluent2332
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 1735

                                #105
                                Re: Is Rondo a top 5 PG?

                                i could care less, but i find it funny that this guy ^ justifies his argument by quoting mchale, barkley and kenny smith

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