The LeBron James Thread

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

So LeBron was the only Cleveland player capable of creating his own shot? Larry Hughes put up all star numbers on a playoff Wizard team before he joined the Cavs. As much as I think Mo Williams is mediocre, he's a scoring PG who has put up 40 while playing with LeBron. If you're a point guard incapable of creating your own shot, you suck. Antawn Jamison averaged over 20ppg for his career before he joined Cleveland, so LeBron definitely had players capable of creating their own shot.

So you think that 07 Cavs team was capable of winning the ship too? (im just assuming since you brought up Larry Hughes)

You certainly have a higher opinion of those players than me man LOL...ill give you Mo though...

Even so, hes still far below any #2 I can think of that won a ship....including a 2nd year Tony Parker...as a Spurs fan I can tell you he was no Mo Williams...

[Kashanova]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Lebron has never had a true #2 option before this year, if you think he has tell me where his #2 options are now and if their still #2s

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

So you think that 07 Cavs team was capable of winning the ship too? (im just assuming since you brought up Larry Hughes)

You certainly have a higher opinion of those players than me man LOL...ill give you Mo though...

Even so, hes still far below any #2 I can think of that won a ship....including a 2nd year Tony Parker...as a Spurs fan I can tell you he was no Mo Williams...

I don't know dude. That first championship that Parker was a part of he wasn't really anything special. He showed flashes of course, but he wasn't really more than a young role player at the time. He averaged 15 points and 3.5 assists in the playoffs. Even Mo, who we all know hasn't shown up the way he was supposed to in the postseason, has put up better numbers than that both seasons that he reached the playoffs as a starter.

Lebron has never had a true #2 option before this year, if you think he has tell me where his #2 options are now and if their still #2s

This has nothing to do with the argument... but yeah, I don't think LeBron has ever had a true Batman like a Scottie Pippin or anything, but he's had talent that compares to some of the other past champions.

[Po Pimp]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

So you think that 07 Cavs team was capable of winning the ship too? (im just assuming since you brought up Larry Hughes)

You certainly have a higher opinion of those players than me man LOL...ill give you Mo though...

Even so, hes still far below any #2 I can think of that won a ship....including a 2nd year Tony Parker...as a Spurs fan I can tell you he was no Mo Williams...

No, I never said the 07 Cleveland team was capable of winning the championship. They weren't even the number 1 seed, and if my memory serves me correctly, they only won 50 games. I only mentioned Larry Hughes as a player who could create his own shot and handle the ball (tho he was far from being a good shooter).

As far as Mo Williams goes, I wasn't even saying he was a true number 2 Robin. I was just saying that LeBron had capable teammates and role players in Cleveland who complimented him. Miami has 2 great players, 1 good player, and the rest are mediocre.

[Scott812313]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Yeah but Shaq wasnt Shaq of old and Antwan didnt help LBJ that much.LBJ never had a Pippen in Cleveland.I mean antwan is nice but he's not that second go to option that most Championship teams have.What should of happened is they should of traded JJ hickson for Amare and maybe they would of made it farther and might could of got both guys to stay.Prob not but Cleveland needed to make another star move to help LBJ out at the time.

Jamison is a career 20 and 8 guy. Thats a pretty good 2nd option IMO.

[Scott812313]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Its hard to rank lebron at this stage of his career. This is the first year where he actually has another player to take some of the load off his shoulders. Success has a lot to do with team make up.

If you take away the main focus off these previous championship teams bulls, lakers, spurs, rockets, heat their teams would not lose 26 games in a row. In the pistons case subtract anyone off that team and its the same scenario. The jury is still out in my opinion untill we see how these years in miami turn out before a true assessment can be made.

Lets not act like LeBron is the only guy they lost from last year though. I'm sure losing Shaq, Big Z and Delonte West to free agency and losing Varejao and Jamison to injuries played no role in that losing streak?

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Jamison is a career 20 and 8 guy. Thats a pretty good 2nd option IMO.

Dang, how many times is the same issue going to be discussed here. Oh well.

James had Jamison for half a season and Jamison was a shell of his former self. Pretty tough to consider that a true 2nd option when you're trying to figure everything out on a new team. Not all trades have immediate returns.

But I wouldn't expect some to see it that way.

[Scott812313]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Dang, how many times is the same issue going to be discussed here. Oh well.

James had Jamison for half a season and Jamison was a shell of his former self. Pretty tough to consider that a true 2nd option when you're trying to figure everything out on a new team. Not all trades have immediate returns.

But I wouldn't expect some to see it that way.

Uhhh... Jamison averaged 19 and 8.5 last year man.....Not to mention LeBron supposedly hand picked Jamison over Amar'e because he wanted a "stretch" 4. If he was a shell of himself why would LeBron green light that move?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Uhhh... Jamison averaged 19 and 8.5 last year man.....

You can keep your stats [which BTW, he averaged 15.8 and 7.7 with Cleveland that year], I'll stick with my statement. I didn't see the same Jamison I have seen in the past against the Celtics.

He sure wasn't a factor when James needed him to be.

[Scott812313]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

You can keep your stats [which BTW, he averaged 15.8 and 7.7 with Cleveland that year], I'll stick with my statement. I didn't see the same Jamison I have seen in the past against the Celtics.

He sure wasn't a factor when James needed him to be.

He also played a career low (take out his rookie year) in minutes there too. I agree he didn't look the same to me either, but why would LeBron not notice that playing against him?

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Another way I look at it, would you consider Jamison that year, to be better than Lamar Odom?

I wouldn't, and we all know Lamar Odom has never been a legit 2nd option.

Both Lamar and Jamison are 3rd wheels.

[Scott812313]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

Another way I look at it, would you consider Jamison that year, to be better than Lamar Odom?

I wouldn't, and we all know Lamar Odom has never been a legit 2nd option.

Both Lamar and Jamison are 3rd wheels.

Agreed that Odom was better than Jamison. I've always thought Odom could be a perennial All Star if he had any heart or desire to be great though....

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

I agree with you.

That's the difference though between a true 2nd and a 3rd. They both just didn't have the it factors to make them legit 2nd bananas, but they've always had the skill and production to somewhat make people believe they could be 2nd options.

They were missing that extra mode/gear/element. With Jamison I think he honestly wasn't as good offensively as Odom, where as Odom he just never had the desire to be the man. Both guys strike me as passive personalities.

[Scott812313]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

I agree with you.

That's the difference though between a true 2nd and a 3rd. They both just didn't have the it factors to make them legit 2nd bananas, but they've always had the skill and production to somewhat make people believe they could be 2nd options.

They were missing that extra mode/gear/element. With Jamison I think he honestly wasn't as good offensively as Odom, where as Odom he just never had the desire to be the man. Both guys strike me as passive personalities.

It's weird with Odom though, because he was a killer in college at Rhode Island and even in the NBA he'll have games that have left me wondering if he might be the best all around player in the world and then he'll disappear for a week.....He's the most maddening kind of player to be a fan of or to coach.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

If he retired today (with no rings), top 20-25. He still has the second half of his career left though, so this is really jumping the gun.

No matter what, he's going to be remembered as one of the greats, and yes that's even if he never wins a ring.