The LeBron James Thread

[OSUFan_88]

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Then please, do tell.

Ready basically any of my posts in the last 3 hours or so.

Actually, you know what, don't. Continue to spout your filth.

[JaySmooov]

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Ready basically any of my posts in the last 3 hours or so.

Actually, you know what, don't. Continue to spout your filth.

I'm just trying to understand in a respectful manner. My opinion is just that, MY opinion. It ain't changing, so there's no need for me to keep talking about it. I just want to understand why Cleveland takes something like this so personally.

[mKoz26]

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The NBA forum is so clutch with the GIFs.

But I can't believe we're still having this discussion a year and a half later.

[Drewski]

If you have to ask you'll never know.

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[JaySmooov]

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The NBA forum is so clutch with the GIFs.

But I can't believe we're still having this discussion a year and a half later.

I can't believe Cleveland fans are still that upset a year and a half later.

[mKoz26]

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I can't believe Cleveland fans are still that upset a year and a half later.

Well I think that's more your issue than Cleveland's.

[JaySmooov]

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If you have to ask you'll never know.

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...but wouldn't I have the opportunity to know if it was explained to me? It's not like I live in Cleveland dude. I'm in Chicago, we have Derrick Rose, we don't have that problem. So, I'm kind of trying to understand even though the other half of me thinks this is funny, yet sad.

[TheMatrix31]

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I can't believe Cleveland fans are still that upset a year and a half later.

I'm upset at **** that happened ****in' 15 years ago. So what?

Look, you're new here. You weren't here when this all went down, but really, this thread has been a thorough explanation of EVERY mindset pertaining to this topic. It covered everything leading up, during, and after.

No need to rehash arguments or thoughts about it.

In the BRIEFEST of ways to explain it YET AGAIN...people aren't upset that he left. They aren't upset that he left to win. They are upset at how it went down. How it was premeditated. How it was predetermined. How everything was just a show. How he quit in games at the end of his Cleveland tenure. How he went on Twitter, TV, radio, news, yada-yada-yada and drummed it all up. It was a spectacle. They were shallow, arrogant, selfish attention-whores who did not carry themselves with any semblance of decorum or honor. There is no chance Wade, Bosh, and LeBron were seriously considering going anywhere else. It was written. It was done. And they dragged the entire city of Cleveland and any integrity they had overall down with them.

[JaySmooov]

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Well I think that's more your issue than Cleveland's.

Not really dude. I just gave my opinion. It's not like I exude constant rage at the thought of a Cavs fan not liking someone.

I had more of an issue with the Bears and Jerry Angelo, but he's gone now, so that's more or less a non-issue. Unless we don't grab Michael Floyd or Kendall Wright. But that's off-topic lol.

[JaySmooov]

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I'm upset at **** that happened ****in' 15 years ago. So what?

Look, you're new here. You weren't here when this all went down, but really, this thread has been a thorough explanation of EVERY mindset pertaining to this topic. It covered everything leading up, during, and after.

No need to rehash arguments or thoughts about it.

In the BRIEFEST of ways to explain it YET AGAIN...people aren't upset that he left. They aren't upset that he left to win. They are upset at how it went down. How it was premeditated. How it was predetermined. How everything was just a show. How he quit in games at the end of his Cleveland tenure. How he went on Twitter, TV, radio, news, yada-yada-yada and drummed it all up. It was a spectacle. They were shallow, arrogant, selfish attention-whores who did not carry themselves with any semblance of decorum or honor. There is no chance Wade, Bosh, and LeBron were seriously considering going anywhere else. It was written. It was done. And they dragged the entire city of Cleveland and any integrity they had overall down with them.

Is the "new here" comment really necessary? I'm not even "new"; I've known of this site for about 3-4 years now, getting info on Madden and stuff. I just recently decided to sign up.

Also, that is sad. Like, really sad.

[BlueNGold]

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Then please, do tell.

Oh, so if LeBron would've picked Cleveland on National TV, it's all good then, right? He did the special for the right reasons, right? He's a good-natured, hometown hero, right? But because he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear, now he's LeBrick, now he's the Frozen One, he's LeChoke, he's this and he's that. It's ridiculous (and funny, at the same time ).

I am a LeBron fan, but I don't have an agenda. LOL what would my agenda be anyway? If I had a reason to be mad, it's this: Why are athletes so heavily criticized for being in it for the money ALL THE TIME, yet when a guy leaves to win (considering, to what I THINK I know, that Cleveland could have offered him the most money), he's disliked because he had to "join up" with two other players?

And I can understand Cleveland being upset for LeBron leaving GENERALLY, but c'mon: burning his jersey? Throwing dirt on his name when he made that city relevant? If yall are still mad, yall need to look in the mirror, grow up, and consider where the priorities in you all's lives lay. There's no reason to be THAT mad at a guy for doing what he had the RIGHT to do.

And he humiliated you? How? Because you can't brag about having the best player in the league anymore? Because he's over in Miami ballin' and having fun while you watch Kyrie Irving and hope HE doesn't jump ship either?

Maybe players will want to stay when Cleveland actually dedicates themselves to winning. Cause most likely, Kyrie will be outta there too if Alonzo Gee is a key piece of the future.

First off, how you can even ask how LeBron humiliated the city of Cleveland is seriously beyond me. You don't think it's any coincidence at all that he named that abortion of a TV special "The Decision"? The guy grew up in the exact place where The Drive, The Catch, The Fumble, The Shot, etc, all took place. Just look at what LeBron himself said and this should tell you alot:

James on how a kid from Akron, located only thirty minutes from Cleveland, could grow up rooting for Chicago and Jordan: "It's not far, but it is far. And Clevelanders, because they were the bigger-city kids when we were growing up, looked down on us.... So we didn't actually like Cleveland. We hated Cleveland growing up. There's a lot of people in Cleveland we still hate to this day."

He absolutely knew just what he was doing. That show wasn't just to tell the world he was "taking his talents to South Beach". It was to take a huge **** on the entire city of Cleveland WHILE he told them and the rest of the world, essentially, "Screw you guys. Oh, AND I'm taking my talents to South Beach".

Let me put it like this: it's bad enough to have your girlfriend cheat on you. It's a million times worse to have your girlfriend cheat on you right before your eyes. That's basically what LeBron did. Well, save for the fact he cheated on Cleveland in front of millions of people instead of just one. But sure, he didn't know what he was doing when he held a 1 hour TV special on ESPN with a title that was a play on all of the worst moments in Cleveland sports history and knew WELL before then that he was leaving the Cavaliers.

Now how you can say Cleveland WASN'T dedicated to winning is also beyond me. Yes, the talent didn't exactly stack up to the likes of what the Lakers had to offer with Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Kobe, Artest, etc, but the fact is those Cavs teams had the best record in the league two years in a row, and beat the Lakers multiple times. Maybe they didn't stack up "on paper", but if LeBron stays, that team probably wins a championship.

Also, Dan Gilbert spent every last dime he could to keep LeBron in Cleveland. You can question how that money was spent, sure, but the fact is they did all they could to bring more talent to the Cavs and build the best team possible. Not to mention that LeBron was treated just like the King he claims himself to be with Gilbert shelling out for new facilities, state of the art renovations to Gund/Quicken Loans Arena, and damn near all of LeBron's boys being employed or having special access to the team in some way shape or form, etc.

But back to the talent part, people forget that Ron Artest was this close to playing for the Cavs and not the Lakers, and only decided against joining them because even he wasn't sure if LeBron was committed to staying in Cleveland. There's no telling how many more possible free agents that could have signed with the Cavs that that affected, but I'd bet Artest wasn't the only one.

So right there Cleveland was already handicapped with what they could do. And considering they were able to turn guys like Eric Snow, Larry Hughes, Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden, Sasha Pavlovic, etc into Mo Williams, Delonte West, Ben Wallace, Shaq, etc, I'd definitely say they weren't committed to winning.

Oh, so if LeBron would've picked Cleveland on National TV, it's all good then, right? He did the special for the right reasons, right? He's a good-natured, hometown hero, right? But because he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear, now he's LeBrick, now he's the Frozen One, he's LeChoke, he's this and he's that. It's ridiculous (and funny, at the same time ).

I am a LeBron fan, but I don't have an agenda. LOL what would my agenda be anyway? If I had a reason to be mad, it's this: Why are athletes so heavily criticized for being in it for the money ALL THE TIME, yet when a guy leaves to win (considering, to what I THINK I know, that Cleveland could have offered him the most money), he's disliked because he had to "join up" with two other players?

And I can understand Cleveland being upset for LeBron leaving GENERALLY, but c'mon: burning his jersey? Throwing dirt on his name when he made that city relevant? If yall are still mad, yall need to look in the mirror, grow up, and consider where the priorities in you all's lives lay. There's no reason to be THAT mad at a guy for doing what he had the RIGHT to do.

Right off the bat, LeBron was never picking Cleveland, so that point is irrelevant. The guy ignored every single call from Gilbert, Danny Ferry, and whoever else in Cavs management decided to call him. That right there tells you his mind was already made up.

I have to say I do love your last paragraph. It's not okay to "throw dirt on his name when he made that city relevant", but it's okay for LeBron to turn that same city into the punchline of one of the biggest moments/events/whatever in sports history? Makes sense.

The funny thing about all of this is that I haven't even touched on how he quit in the playoffs, the phantom elbow injury to give himself an easy out, playing the team and the city along to think there was ever a possibility he would return, the tampering by the Heat, and LeBron, Wade, and Bosh most likely having had this all planned out years before it happened.

The funniest part though? LeBron is my favorite player.

EDIT: Really wish I would have seen Matrix's post before I wrote all of this and wasted my time.

[mKoz26]

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Is the "new here" comment really necessary? I'm not even "new"; I've known of this site for about 3-4 years now, getting info on Madden and stuff. I just recently decided to sign up.

Also, that is sad. Like, really sad.

"New here", meaning that you didn't experience the fallout from the forum's perspective.

[TheMatrix31]

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Yes, the "new here' was necessary because you registered in mid-2011 so it was more of a "since you're a recent dude, you missed all the **** as it went down". How should I know you've been lurking for 3-4 years? If you were lurking for 3-4 years and post in the NBA forum so much now, I'm sure you kept tabs on the NBA Forum when you were lurking so you definitely knew what was up and what people's stances were.

[1Rose]

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Wait, people are still trying to figure out why Cleveland is mad at LeBron?



You shouldn't have to be a part of any forum to figure that out.

[TheMatrix31]

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Exactly. And you shouldn't even have to be a Cleveland resident/fan to be mad.

I used to love LeBron, but the last 3 years or so have turned me off of him COMPLETELY. Absolutely sickening what he's become and what he's been party to.