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Re: The LeBron James Thread
Saving things for the Playoffs(in ANY sport)is the most ridiculous and probably dumbest thing you can do because unless you're doing a lineup change, 9 times out of 10 you're not going to run something that opposing teams haven't seen before, especially in a sport where you play 82 times a year in a season.#RespectTheCultureComment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
Well then it's a good thing I'm not Miami's coach.
Terrific game for the MVP"To the last minute, to the last second, to the last man, we fight"Comment
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Ive heard plenty of coaches talk about some back pocket plays and wrinkles in the system.....I know JVG said he never saw the matchup zone the C's played last night during the reg season ...
I don't think the Bron/James P&R is in that category though....it's just something they do ever so often...it's just a different look they have...Last edited by The 24th Letter; 05-29-2012, 05:34 AM.Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
No it really doesn't. It'd be pretty arrogant to assume you're going to make it to the finals where you can unleash the ultimate strategy.
If you agree with me then your imagination wouldn't play out like that, lol. If I know Wade is coming off a James screen, I have the defenders trap Wade while the rotating big is already in position to deny a rolling James just like standard PnR defense would have it since he knows it's coming. Even if it's not a trap, standard PnR D would have James' defender hedging which would make a pass to even a "popping" James difficult.
And that doesn't even touch on the picture you painted has Wade driving down the paint, James rolling in the paint and Bosh flashing to the paint. Any defense would love this kind of spacing between the three stars. The only wide open shots you'd see with this is used a couple of times a game, catching a defense off guard and the rotating big not getting in proper position (see the Pacers last game) which still makes a normal PnR effective anyway while still having good spacing for the best players, but putting the role players in better roles to contribute.
A team would save something like a matchup zone though. It's something you use to stop a specific opponent. Change the opponent, you change the strategy. It's not like a team would say "Our matchup zone would shut anybody down BUT we're going to save it for the championship." If they don't make it to the championship, they'd look pretty foolish saving what they considered their ultimate weapon.
Also, coaches have hundreds if not thousands of plays... quick hitters, side line, out of bounds under the basket, breaks off missed free throws, etc. You can only practice so many so they may introduce some new ones later for late in the quarter/game situations, coming out of time outs, etc. Again, very different than an offensive set or strategy they think would be unstoppable and choosing not to use it until the finals.Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
I get the whole arrogance thing to assume you're going to make it, but we saw Wade and James take it to another level when they needed to in game 4. They were desperate. If you can win while hiding something why use it? Maybe they were going to run it but didn't feel they needed to?
And I meant Bosh flashing to the high post extended, his sweet spot. You have James' defender helping with the slashing Wade, Wade's defender trying to help with James' cut and getting back to Wade. You have the 4 guy staying home to help on the penetration, leaving Bosh wide open. It's no secret Garnett likes to stay home instead of close out on his man.
I think I'm giving Spo too much credit to have a master plan, but then again I'm no coach."To the last minute, to the last second, to the last man, we fight"Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
1. The Heat are the best team in the NBA but they aren't as good as you may think they are... not good enough to assume they can hold back an "unstoppable" strategy until the finals. They were the best team in the NBA last year and lost in the finals. Stuff happens. Just bc James and Wade are capable of going to another level doesn't mean they can just do it whenever they feel like it, and definitely doesn't mean you should expect it. Doesn't work like that.
2. I don't know what else to tell you. Proper PnR defense would be aided by James and Wade running the PnR. Improper PnR defense would be exposed with either of them getting a pick from a lesser player. It's not the unstoppable dream situation you think it is. I know you're pretty set on agreeing to disagree with me, but they've been playing together for 2 full years now. There's a reason it isn't a staple of their offense (and barely ever done). Bosh setting a screen for either is EXACTLY what they should be doing, but Wade/James screen and roll is only good as a surprise play.Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
I don't know about the best team, I think we'll have our hands full with San Antonio if we both make it there. We do have 2 of the top 5 players in the league though and I do believe they can turn it on when needed.
But I'm biased. You're probably right on the PnR thing."To the last minute, to the last second, to the last man, we fight"Comment
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Well don't me wrong, I don't think there's some supposed unstoppable play waiting to be unveiled at the end of the year like the movies...lol. I probably know the Spurs sets as much as anyone, and I know for a fact we have "money" sets we use to generate offense...I would assume every team does. Saw some stuff on O tailor fit for OKC on Sunday too...
As far as the P&R, way too much of a simplification...saying the defense will just...adjust. It's the most dynamic play in basketball for a reason. Steve Nash, Amare, the defense and everyone in the stands knew they were going to run the P&R and it worked constantly....same as Manu and Splitter the other night...it's dangerous with the right personnel...
Simply put, the LBJ/Wade P&R has l worked more than its failed...no real reason to think itd be detrimental to up its usage until proven otherwise..Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but generally the biggest threat of a pick and roll is the mismatch it can create when the defenders are switched combined with the quickness of the defenders and their ability to get back to their matchup. What do you really achieve if Lebron and Wade's defenders are switched? Lebron's almost always got the advantage in a 1 on 1 with his defender and so does Wade in both quickness and strength. If we take a stereotypical/generic 2 and 3 and switch them then what Wade gains in a quickness advantage he loses in strength and vice versa for Lebron.
You can't compare a Wade Lebron P&R to Nash and Amare because not only would their defenders be vastly different from each other in terms size/quickness/strength, but a high P&R from Amare also brings an interior defender out of the paint making the Nash drive, or a dish to a cutter more effective.Comment
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True enough.
Wasn't comparing it to Nash and Stat In that regard, just that it's not as simple as adjusting to it....
I did the research after posting, will post it when I can...you can argue the results of overdoing it, but you can't really argue its efficiency...it's up there. Their playmaking, athleticism in the pick and roll adds a different dynamic all in its own...I bet Heat fans would take that over the amount of times LBJ and Wade are sitting at the 3 point line in possessions...Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
That's no lie. Or the stupid NBA Finals offense (1. Bosh Pick and Roll 2. Repeat step 1).
I think the thing that makes that PnR so dangerous is Wade's ability to split the double/trap/switch. He's one of if not the best in the league at splitting. And anytime you can split you're going to have a defensive collapse, generating great looks for Chalmers, Battier, Miller, and Bosh."To the last minute, to the last second, to the last man, we fight"Comment
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Re: The LeBron James Thread
In other news...LeBron leads the post season in 4th quarter scoring. And is tied with Ginobili for first in "clutch" scoring.
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