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  • Yeah...THAT Guy
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    • Dec 2006
    • 17294

    #61
    Re: The future for the NBA?

    Originally posted by Cebby
    And if the Lakers trade Kobe to make Adam Morrison their star player people would laugh at Kobe.

    The Cavs won't be beating the Heat in the post season for at least 5 years.
    Crazier things have happened. And if the Cavs (who will obviously be highly motivated to take their anger out on Lebron) somehow can pull it off, LBJ = laughing stock. I didn't say it's going to happen. I just said if it does...
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    • jmood88
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      • Jul 2003
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      #62
      Re: The future for the NBA?

      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
      Crazier things have happened. And if the Cavs (who will obviously be highly motivated to take their anger out on Lebron) somehow can pull it off, LBJ = laughing stock. I didn't say it's going to happen. I just said if it does...
      They can be motivated all they want but they have to go against not just Lebron but Dwayne Wade. Unless they get lucky again and get another Lebron, it's not happening.
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      • DieHardYankee26
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        • Feb 2008
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        #63
        Re: The future for the NBA?

        I don't know how motivated the players will be seeing as how most of them understand, and I don't think that that would play a role in a series between the Cavs and the Heat because the players don't hate LeBron. Now if the fans play...
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        • JBH3
          Marvel's Finest
          • Jan 2007
          • 13506

          #64
          Re: The future for the NBA?

          Originally posted by Court_vision
          I saw the below post over at REALGM and summed up exactly what I've been thinking. I am posting it below to get people's thoughts.

          Please NO LeBron specific talk in this thread....just purely "how will small markets / small fan bases" etc be long term? Will we see a whole era of some teams 'conceding' and simply tanking as they realise they can't beat the Heat come 2012 onwards? I just don't see any positives in this once the Celtics age (maybe they have one last run left) for the Eastern Conference and the entire L.

          Post below:


          This is such an abject disaster.

          No 1: First off, Miami is a Dolphins town that is awful for all other pro sports. Heat aren't a huge draw, even when they had Shaq and Wade.

          No. 2: It destroys hopes of NBA teams in Cleveland, Toronto, New York and New Jersey. It also harms Boston and Chicago because the team is so stacked. The Nets just got shutout. How about that Mikhail?

          No. 3: The NBA needs rivalries. Celtics could beat that team, but they are declining. The Lakers have an aging Kobe Bryant. What happens when the Celts get old? The Magic and Heat battling for the ECF? THAT DESTROYS THE NBA. It makes anything North of the Florida all the way to the West Coast irrelevant.

          No 4: It harms the NBA brand. LeBron and Wade need to be competitors. They should be fierce rivals that the NBA could sell. When one wins a title or Wade a second, then they can market them as all-time greats. But, together? They hurt each others legacy.

          This hurts the NBA on so many fronts it is not even funny. You can just assume that Heat-Lakers is going to be some boffo revenue stream. I don't think it will be. It concentrates power to far south and lays waste to the Eastern Conference.
          It is horrible.

          Its like some douche bag is controlling all-30 teams in NBA 2K11 and stacking one team in particular just because he wants to win win win. Then he's going to find some way to bring in some veteran talent and edit their contracts so he's under the cap.

          ...and to that person who does that we flame them in the "Assosciation Progress" threads, only this ish is really happening, and its like a 14 yr olds wetdream.
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          • wwharton
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            • Aug 2002
            • 26949

            #65
            Re: The future for the NBA?

            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
            A few things about the current state of the NBA now:

            If Lakers > Heat in a championship, nobody can even make an argument that Lebron is better than Kobe. Heck, I think the fact that Lebron is willing to play second-fiddle to DWade alone is enough to knock LBJ off the pedastal of best player in the NBA since it pretty much proves he doesn't have the mental strength.

            If Cavs > Heat in anything, the Heat and Lebron should be ashamed, and if they lose a playoff series somehow to the Cavs, forget about it. LBJ will be a laughing stock.

            If Thunder > Heat in championship, it shows there is still hope for the NBA since Durant signed his extension to stay in his small market city and actually try to earn a championship rather than try to join New York or something next year and just get handed championships like LBJ is hoping.
            my thoughts exactly

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            • Bornindamecca
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              • Jul 2007
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              #66
              Re: The future for the NBA?

              I disagree for the most part. The only point I agree on is that Wade and Lebron should be rivals, not teammates.
              Originally posted by Court_vision

              No 1: First off, Miami is a Dolphins town that is awful for all other pro sports. Heat aren't a huge draw, even when they had Shaq and Wade.
              Don't buy this. You put a great team in any town and people will get behind it. People are already getting behind OKC, and they were a terrible team in a small market the day before yesterday.


              Originally posted by Court_vision

              No. 3: The NBA needs rivalries. Celtics could beat that team, but they are declining. The Lakers have an aging Kobe Bryant. What happens when the Celts get old? The Magic and Heat battling for the ECF? THAT DESTROYS THE NBA. It makes anything North of the Florida all the way to the West Coast irrelevant.
              Rivalries are good for the league, but so are Dynasties. People show up for the Yankees, Lakers, Steelers. They like being able to see a reliable winner. If the Heat become a dynasty, they'll be an exciting one unlike the boring Spurs(I love the Spurs, but it's true). The Heat will be the Showtime Lakers all over again, with running an dunking and fancy passing and smiling costars. After Jordan and Kobe, the League will benefit from a dominant group, rather than having to chase after this idea of one dominant player. This is good, because you can't reliably expect driven madmen like Kobe and MJ to come along and obsess their way to several rings. A couple years of Wade/Bron/Bosh will be a nice change of pace that is also fun to watch.

              Also, people will love to watch this team lose if they fail. You already have guys replacing Kobe's face on their dartboards.



              Originally posted by Court_vision

              No. 2: It destroys hopes of NBA teams in Cleveland, Toronto, New York and New Jersey. It also harms Boston and Chicago because the team is so stacked. The Nets just got shutout. How about that Mikhail?
              I can't disagree with this more. No team with cap space is hopeless. New York, New Jersey and Chicago are fine. Chicago is a Carmelo Anthony away from being better than Miami, flat out. New York needs a PG and a strong wing player, and they're in the conversation. Jersey has so much young talent and cap space it's not even funny. They aren't even on a time table, and they're having trouble right now because they're in Newark. Don't even judge that team's progress until they're in Brooklyn.

              Toronto never had any hope to destroy.

              I'm real curious to see how Gil responds in Cleveland. They need a starting SF and they're definitely not a lottery team, mark my words. Especially not with Scott running the show.

              Nothing is harming Boston besides Father Time. They've been in two out of the last 3 NBA Finals, and when healthy, they are at the very least one of the top two teams in the league. Let's not start digging their graves just yet.


              This isn't the best move for the NBA in certain areas, but there are a lot of variables right now. All these young PGs, Kevin Durant, the Trailblazers, the Bulls, the fate of Carmleo Anthony all will paint the future of the league, not just the LeWadenBosh Experiment.
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              • nccomicfan
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                • May 2006
                • 1530

                #67
                Re: The future for the NBA?

                The future of the league? One Word...lockout

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                • Vast
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 4015

                  #68
                  Re: The future for the NBA?

                  Originally posted by JBH3
                  It is horrible.

                  Its like some douche bag is controlling all-30 teams in NBA 2K11 and stacking one team in particular just because he wants to win win win. Then he's going to find some way to bring in some veteran talent and edit their contracts so he's under the cap.

                  ...and to that person who does that we flame them in the "Assosciation Progress" threads, only this ish is really happening, and its like a 14 yr olds wetdream.
                  This.

                  I didn't believe this was even possible. If this happened in 2k11's association we'd be saying this would never happen in real life.

                  The only thing that is giving me some solace, is the fact that right now Miami is as deep as an evaporating puddle.

                  But once they start adding some roleplayers at minimum pay (which i believe they will), It's going to make it hard for me to root for them.
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                  • Fiasco West
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 2820

                    #69
                    Re: The future for the NBA?

                    Originally posted by nccomicfan
                    The future of the league? One Word...lockout
                    Pretty much. I am more worried about that, a lockout can really hurt the NBA moreso than this.

                    Parity I am worried about it...but not to the point that it can really hurt the league...there are still guys out there ballin. All over the world that will be drafted and can make a large impact on the NBA.

                    What if John Wall and Cousins tears up the NBA next year? Now we are talking about the Kings as a serious threat with Evans and Cousins, and wondering how the Wiz will build around their superstar.

                    While the NBA is more supserstar based, and sometimes we think a player is bigger than the game...that's never the case. Someone will eventually come into the NBA just as talented or moreso than Bron.

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                    • phenom1990
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                      • Mar 2008
                      • 4789

                      #70
                      Re: The future for the NBA?

                      Does anyone think this Miami 3 thing will hurt negotiations during the next CBA with owners? What type of impact do people see on it? I think was really a rare occurrence but I could see the owners trying to use this.
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                      • StankonYa
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 908

                        #71
                        Re: The future for the NBA?

                        Although i wanted to see LBJ go to Chi-town, i think this is good for the NBA. What i would love to know is what Melo thinks about all of this...? How CP3 feels and so on. I mean LBJ is said to be attending Melo's wedding and all, I just know he can't be too hapy about whats going down in Wade County.

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                        • StankonYa
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 908

                          #72
                          Re: The future for the NBA?

                          Here's a post from Stephen Jackson. http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/09/j...s=iref:nbahpt2 I love how he says him nor his team is just gonna lay down for south beach. I think if everyone in the NBA felt this way........this could really get good for NBA.
                          Last edited by StankonYa; 07-09-2010, 07:25 PM.

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                          • Jonesy
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 5382

                            #73
                            Re: The future for the NBA?

                            Originally posted by StankonYa
                            Here's a post from Stephen Jackson. http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/09/j...s=iref:nbahpt2 I love how he says him nor his team is just gonna lay down for south beach. I think if everyone in the NBA felt this way........this could really get good for NBA.
                            Lol what was he going to say "Yeah now that Miami has those 3 we might not even show up for the game, we'll just take the L and move onto the next game".

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                            • Court_vision
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                              • Oct 2002
                              • 8290

                              #74
                              Re: The future for the NBA?

                              Great article here. It's a shame the potential 'golden era' isn't going to happen.


                              LeBron James, in one fell swoop, has dramatically changed the course of NBA history for the next generation.
                              Had he signed with Chicago or the Knicks or remained with the Cavaliers, the NBA almost certainly would have entered a golden age, similar to the 1980s, where there would have been three or four truly great teams led by superstars in their primes competing for all the marbles every spring. It would have been basketball heaven.


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                              • Bornindamecca
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                                • Jul 2007
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                                #75
                                Re: The future for the NBA?

                                Originally posted by Court_vision
                                Great article here. It's a shame the potential 'golden era' isn't going to happen.


                                LeBron James, in one fell swoop, has dramatically changed the course of NBA history for the next generation.
                                Had he signed with Chicago or the Knicks or remained with the Cavaliers, the NBA almost certainly would have entered a golden age, similar to the 1980s, where there would have been three or four truly great teams led by superstars in their primes competing for all the marbles every spring. It would have been basketball heaven.


                                Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pi...#ixzz0tGO3jyjN
                                I do agree that James ruined a "Golden Era" by stacking up with two other stars. I just don't think it's disastrous for the League. Wade is 28 and prone to injury. I'm not wishing anything bad on him, but logistically they only have a 5 year window to hit that point that would ruin the league. And it's possible, with Kobe already in his early thirties and the big 3 on the way out, but there's a lot of young talent in the league, and a couple of teams are only a trade away from being able to match up with those guys.
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