The future for the NBA?

[wwharton]

Re: The future for the NBA?

So it's cool for someone to say that if they win a championship that it's already Wade's MVP performance that will determine that win.


Squeaking into the playoffs in the East and getting destroyed isn't impressive at all, nomatter how muh you want to handicap the team.

This is my point. Take this part of Born's post:

If the nWo wins a chip, each player's performance will determine the perception of their contribution and role on the team.

This is true and Lebron could emerge as the top dog in this situation. All I'm saying is my money is on that being Wade bc I've seen him show those necessary qualities, and while I've been waiting to see them from Lebron, instead he goes to ... Wade's team. It's an educated guess.

[jmood88]

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Wade, Bosh, and Lebron were gonna play on the same team regardless, the Heat were just able to sign all three of them.

[King_B_Mack]

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Wade, Bosh, and Lebron were gonna play on the same team regardless, the Heat were just able to sign all three of them.

What's your point? He was running to another alpha dog regardless.

[wwharton]

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Wade, Bosh, and Lebron were gonna play on the same team regardless, the Heat were just able to sign all three of them.

I'm not sure what you mean there. If they're willing to take less money the way they're doing, they could've easily gone to the Knicks and probably could've gone to the Bulls. Remember Bosh was set to be delt in a S&T. The original discussion of playing together was about them all playing on the Knicks so why not go there?

I don't believe the conspiracy that this was all completely planned out, but even if you do, the Heat wasn't the only option.

[jmood88]

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What's your point? He was running to another alpha dog regardless.

The point is that he wasn't running to a specific team, all three of them were going to go to the team that could sign them, and the Heat was that team.

[King_B_Mack]

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The point is that he wasn't running to a specific team, all three of them were going to go to the team that could sign them, and the Heat was that team.

Again what's your point? He was running to another alpha dog for help. I know, I know you think you're making a point cause people have been harping about Miami being Wade's team. That's one big part of the problem is going to someone else's team, but even if the three of them went to New York, it's a new legacy to be carved out, but he still ran to another alpha dog. This isn't rocket science man.

It's safe to say that Kobe, LeBron and Wade are the three best players in the league. There's a problem with the top three in the league are on the same team at this point in their careers through free agency. If you get traded there, fine, but you willingly opt out of your current contract and run to another, it's ridiculous. The NBA is and will always be at it's best and brightest when the best players actually play against each other. Seeing LeBron go into MSG and lighting it up one night is a beauty, seeing Kobe roll in there and do the same the next is magical, seeing Bron and Wade being douches trying to run up the score on the Knicks to have they're historic Sportscenter moment being the first teammates to light up the Knicks at home will be a disgrace. What's gonna happen when they play in MSG anyway? They gonna take turns showing off?

This doesn't matter anyway cause no other team had a shot at them. This plan has been in the works for a long time, they were going to the Heat no matter what. The Heat didn't just happen to be the team that signed them, they were the only team that was ever going to sign them.

[Bornindamecca]

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This isn't rocket science man.

The NBA is and will always be at it's best and brightest when the best players actually play against each other.

Don't know why people are pretending this isn't true.

[Jukeman]

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So Wade Bosh and LBJ are the only good players in the NBA???

[King_B_Mack]

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So Wade Bosh and LBJ are the only good players in the NBA???

Yes, yes they are. Everybody else died in the great James jersey burnings of 2010. Seriously dude if you can't see what's wrong with the top three players in the league not all manning they're own teams in the league there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.

Answer this and I'm done. If Magic and Bird were on the same team, would we be having this discussion right now? There's only one right answer to this BTW, we'll see who get's it right.

[Jukeman]

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Yes, yes they are. Everybody else died in the great James jersey burnings of 2010. Seriously dude if you can't see what's wrong with the top three players in the league not all manning they're own teams in the league there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.

Answer this and I'm done. If Magic and Bird were on the same team, would we be having this discussion right now? There's only one right answer to this BTW, we'll see who get's it right.

Wade and LBJ doesnt even match up to the legacies of Bird and Magic...BTW Bird and magic were friends and wanted to play with each other...

If they had the chance at 25 they may have joined forces as well....What happened already happen, its too much nostalgia going on around here...People want the past to repeat itself...

[Jonesy]

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It's safe to say that Kobe, LeBron and Wade are the three best players in the league. There's a problem with the top three in the league are on the same team at this point in their careers through free agency. If you get traded there, fine, but you willingly opt out of your current contract and run to another, it's ridiculous. The NBA is and will always be at it's best and brightest when the best players actually play against each other. Seeing LeBron go into MSG and lighting it up one night is a beauty, seeing Kobe roll in there and do the same the next is magical, seeing Bron and Wade being douches trying to run up the score on the Knicks to have they're historic Sportscenter moment being the first teammates to light up the Knicks at home will be a disgrace. What's gonna happen when they play in MSG anyway? They gonna take turns showing off?

This doesn't matter anyway cause no other team had a shot at them. This plan has been in the works for a long time, they were going to the Heat no matter what. The Heat didn't just happen to be the team that signed them, they were the only team that was ever going to sign them.

You certainly do make some good points here mate.

I still don't personally believe it will make a big reduction in the overall quality of the play in the nba. Despite it's reliance on stars basketball is still a team sport and the better "team" should win, especially in a 7 game series. There are so many deep, talented teams in the league at the moment (Lakers, OKC, Bulls, Magic, Heat, Thunder, Spurs etc) that the playoff's will be better than ever imo and everyone will be gunning for the Heat.

[roadman]

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Wade and LBJ doesnt even match up to the legacies of Bird and Magic...BTW Bird and magic were friends and wanted to play with each other...

If they had the chance at 25 they may have joined forces as well....What happened already happen, its too much nostalgia going on around here...People want the past to repeat itself...

Bird, Magic and Thomas loved to compete against each other as well. It brought out the best in them and some memorable playoff and championship games.

Do you think these three are going to have their competitive juices fired up every game when they go up against their counterparts? Wade guards Salmons, LBJ guards Delfino and Bosh goes up against Gooden. Ohh, can't wait for that one. There are other teams like that as well. It's going to become boring to them at some point.

[Jonesy]

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Bird, Magic and Thomas loved to compete against each other as well. It brought out the best in them and some memorable playoff and championship games. Do you think these three are going to have their competitive juices fired up when they go up against their counterparts? Wade guards Salmons, LBJ guards Delfino and Bosh goes up against Gooden. Ohh, can't wait for that one. There are other teams like that as well. It's going to become boring to them at some point.

Lol i see your point but wouldn't Wade guarding Allen, LeBron guarding Peirce, Bosh guarding KG be a more exciting team to match up with for that example (Or Rose, Deng, Boozer or Kobe, Artest, Paul or Vince, Lewis, Howard etc) ?

As for it being boring for them i think people are underestimating just how hard it will be for them to even get out of the East let alone win the whole thing. The league is strong right now and it takes 2 or 3 all nba caliber players to even truly compete with the big dog's these days.

[roadman]

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Lol i see your point but wouldn't Wade guarding Allen, LeBron guarding Peirce, Bosh guarding KG be a more exciting team to match up with for that example (Or Rose, Deng, Boozer or Kobe, Artest, Paul or Vince, Lewis, Howard etc) ?

As for it being boring for them i think people are underestimating just how hard it will be for them to even get out of the East let alone win the whole thing. The league is strong right now and it takes 2 or 3 all nba caliber players to even truly compete with the big dog's these days.

Just saying, you could take the top 4 teams(Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Hawks?) in the East and maybe have a competitive game.

Meh, on the other teams.

[King_B_Mack]

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Wade and LBJ doesnt even match up to the legacies of Bird and Magic...BTW Bird and magic were friends and wanted to play with each other...

If they had the chance at 25 they may have joined forces as well....What happened already happen, its too much nostalgia going on around here...People want the past to repeat itself...

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Bird and Magic were not friends. They had a rivalry that followed them from college and Bird personally wanted to BEAT Magic from the time he lost in the National Championship to Magic and MSU.

And the answer to the question, no, no we would not be having this discussion right now because there'd be no NBA if it wasn't for the rivalry between Bird and Magic, they saved the game. As I said in the other thread, I'm more worried about the future. If this does work out, this will be what all the teams try to do. Trying to paint this as being good for the NBA or somehow better than seeing Bron and Wade looking across the floor at each other as opposed to staring right at the Luther Head's and Tyrus Thomas' of the league together is a joke. If you've got players from the top five down on the same team that's not quite as bad, but having players in the top 4 in the league together and it didn't happen through the draft or a trade is not good for the league.