The future for the NBA?

[wwharton]

Re: The future for the NBA?

Nobody knows how this team will work.

The media will want to get Lebron a Finals MVP bad. Hate sells during the offseason. Hype sells during the season.

If the Heat play the Lakers during the Finals, Kobe vs Lebron will be drilled into your head in ways that 2009 couldn't dream of.

That's true and only time will tell, but I'm fairly positive Wade is the one with the killer instinct on this team. And if they are playing the Lakers in the finals, I think it'll be clear to the world. The only way I see that not happening is that Kobe would likely end up guarding Wade with who on Lebron? If Artest has a year left in him, I still say it's Wade's. If not, Lebron should have a field day on whoever gets that job.

[jmood88]

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I think you're missing the point on this one Mood. No one is disputing he couldn't win it with the Cavs.

People are saying that he had the option to go to a stacked Bulls team and say "bring it on" v Wade and Bosh, v Dwight Howard and co. v Kobe and LA.....i.e. go through the best teams and players to get his ring with a legit second guy in Rose and a stacked team.

I don't agree with this at all. People are just complaining because they don't think it's fair to have two future hall of famers and another guy who is considered a star. It's funny that you call the Bulls stacked but complain that he went to the Heat. If the Bulls are as stacked as you say then they should present a challenge.

He could have been "The Man" and had no excuses...and set up a golden era of rivalries with a series of teams having two legit stars.

Instead...he said "i want the easy option".

No, what he said is that "I want to play with two guys I have great chemistry with who give me the best option of winning". Creating a challenge just to create a challenge makes absolutely no sense to me.

That's unprecedented for an MVP in this league. You guys can try and cover it up all you like, but 99% of people who follow basketball are all saying it right now and everyone deep down knows it's the truth. He took the soft option. Case over.

It's unprecedented because there was never a time when so many great free agents had a chance to go to one team.

[jmood88]

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Not necessarily true. I seriously believe if they win a championship next year, that'll be Wade's Finals MVP award. Depending on how quickly Wade fades moving forward, LBJ may pass him but if Wade's fading then they won't be as likely to keep winning either. I need proof that Lebron is more than the greatest stats stuffer we've ever seen.

Why would it be Wade's award? At the very least, Wade needs Lebron as much as Lebron needs Wade. Since 2006 the Heat have been awful, during that same stretch Lebron and the Cavs had much more success.

[DIESEL]

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The thread topic was about the future of the NBA. Answer these questions and then tell me how you feel:

Are people talking more about the NBA this summer?

Will this increase ticket sales and overall interest in Miami?

Will the Heat increase attendance for their road games?

Will the Heat increase national TV ratings? (Imagine Xmas day in Clev or L.A.)

Will tons of people jump on the Heat's bandwagon?

Will tons of people be watching and hoping for this team to fail?

Are the other teams in the league chomping at the bit ready make these guys look like clowns?



Bottom line is that it's July and people are talking about ,writing about, and watching the NBA. I repeat THIS IS GOOD FOR THE LEAGUE.

[wwharton]

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Why would it be Wade's award? At the very least, Wade needs Lebron as much as Lebron needs Wade. Since 2006 the Heat have been awful, during that same stretch Lebron and the Cavs had much more success.

Lebron's a better talent... hell, he's the most talented player in the NBA. But Wade's 2nd or 3rd and has the maturity, mental toughness and killer instinct needed to win a championship. When the playoffs come, I fully expect Lebron to be following Wade's lead.

[jmood88]

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Well if the Heat get farther than they have since Shaq was actually playing games then you can't say that it's due to Wade, he has been "The Man" by himself and hasn't brought the Heat anywhere.

[wwharton]

Re: The future for the NBA?

Well if the Heat get farther than they have since Shaq was actually playing games then you can't say that it's due to Wade, he has been "The Man" by himself and hasn't brought the Heat anywhere.

If that happens it'll be because of Wade, James AND Bosh. We're talking about Finals MVP though. Those intangibles will be important in the finals. I was hoping Lebron would mature into that type of player but I don't see it now and Wade's already there. And honestly, with all the bashing of the Cavs supporting cast, it'd run circles around the recent Heat teams supporting Wade. It's not much of a shock he couldn't do more with that team.

[King_B_Mack]

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Well if the Heat get farther than they have since Shaq was actually playing games then you can't say that it's due to Wade, he has been "The Man" by himself and hasn't brought the Heat anywhere.

Wade was hurt the first year after their championship which caused them to win 15 games and they've been gutting the team since then for LeHeelturn. Try again.

[jmood88]

Re: The future for the NBA?

Wade was hurt the first year after their championship which caused them to win 15 games and they've been gutting the team since then for LeHeelturn. Try again.

He was the hurt the two years after they won, he has been healthy the past two years and they haven't done anything but squeak into the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round. You seem to think that the championship they won was two years ago. If Wade should get a majority of the credit if they are able to win it all then he should also get the blame for not being able to do anything when he was on his own.

[King_B_Mack]

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Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned they were gutting the roster for the past two-three years to get LeHogan? Funny how everyone clowns the Cavs for the squad around Bron, but Wade is supposed to win a championship with the corpse of J. O'Neal, crap Beasley, Q and help me out.

[jmood88]

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Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned they were gutting the roster for the past two-three years to get LeHogan? Funny how everyone clowns the Cavs for the squad around Bron, but Wade is supposed to win a championship with the corpse of J. O'Neal, crap Beasley, Q and help me out.

No I didn't miss it but maybe you missed the part where I said if he is going to get credit if they win it all then he should get the blame for taking them nowhere when he was by himself. As far as Beasley, he wasn't crap before the draft. People want to say that Lebron needs Wade to win a championship but that championship was 4 years ago and since then Wade hasn't helped the Heat go all that far.

[Jonesy]

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The more i think about it the more i think this will do more good for the nba than harm.

Is it just me or are many of the people who are complaining about LeBron's move because it's removing parity in the league are also the same one's saying he can't win it all anyway?

There will still be many great games / rivalries in the nba. The Bulls are the strongest they have been since Mike, the Lakers will be looking to 3 peat, OKC as starting to shine, the Celts are going for one or two more cracks at it, the magic (and Dwight) will continue to be better, the Knicks are improving, the Spurs will still be competitive etc. There should be little worry about parity in the league, it'll be there in spades.

[King_B_Mack]

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No I didn't miss it but maybe you missed the part where I said if he is going to get credit if they win it all then he should get the blame for taking them nowhere when he was by himself. As far as Beasley, he wasn't crap before the draft. People want to say that Lebron needs Wade to win a championship but that championship was 4 years ago and since then Wade hasn't helped the Heat go all that far.

Neither was Adam Morrison, Pervis Ellison, Yinka Dare or Ed O'Bannon...point?

It don't work how you're trying to make it work.

[Bornindamecca]

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He was the hurt the two years after they won, he has been healthy the past two years and they haven't done anything but squeak into the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round. You seem to think that the championship they won was two years ago. If Wade should get a majority of the credit if they are able to win it all then he should also get the blame for not being able to do anything when he was on his own.

No I didn't miss it but maybe you missed the part where I said if he is going to get credit if they win it all then he should get the blame for taking them nowhere when he was by himself. As far as Beasley, he wasn't crap before the draft. People want to say that Lebron needs Wade to win a championship but that championship was 4 years ago and since then Wade hasn't helped the Heat go all that far.

That logic doesn't make any sense. The only thing that's the same about the Miami team is the location and team name. People are judged by what they do when they play the games, not what they did with completely different rosters. If the nWo wins a chip, each player's performance will determine the perception of their contribution and role on the team. Everything else you're saying regarding the issue is pure gibberish.

And as an aside, Wade getting bounced in the 1st round with his team is much more impressive than Lebron getting bounced in the 2nd round with his.

[jmood88]

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That logic doesn't make any sense. The only thing that's the same about the Miami team is the location and team name. People are judged by what they do when they play the games, not what they did with completely different rosters. If the nWo wins a chip, each player's performance will determine the perception of their contribution and role on the team. Everything else you're saying regarding the issue is pure gibberish.

And as an aside, Wade getting bounced in the 1st round with his team is much more impressive than Lebron getting bounced in the 2nd round with his.

So it's cool for someone to say that if they win a championship that it's already Wade's MVP performance that will determine that win.