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  • BlueNGold
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    • Aug 2009
    • 21817

    #286
    Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

    Originally posted by phenom1990
    I would be shocked if there was a $50 million hard cap. So I don't think that is the biggest issue, I think the issue is more that Iguodala is not a shooter and is better with the ball in his hands. The other thing is trading Odom gets rid of their size advantage and a lot of the match up problems the Lakers cause. They would then need to find a quality big, who can spot start for Bynum. A lot of teams are looking for that same thing, so good luck if they do that trade.
    It may or may not be that type of cap with that ceiling, but there's no way that once these CBA discussions end that a team will still be able to have a roster that includes the contracts of Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Igoudala.

    As far as I'm concerned though that rumor is bogus. Not much reason for either team to do it like ex has already said.
    Originally posted by bradtxmale
    I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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    • Shield
      The Captain revived!
      • Nov 2010
      • 605

      #287
      Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

      With a smaller cap they may as well implement a max $15mil per season rule, or else every team within 5 years will be over the cap with not much flexibility. Or high priced players will be sitting in the free agent pool wondering why they can't get the money they think they deserve.

      Oh yea, that Odom for Iggy trade would be terrible for LA. Getting rid of Artest or Walton isn't worth unloading Odom. The Lakers are the only team that Odom would come off the bench for, if he's in PHI he's gonna want to start. The trade rumors are what will make tonight more exciting than the actual draft.
      Last edited by Shield; 06-23-2011, 09:28 AM.
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      • Dice
        Sitting by the door
        • Jul 2002
        • 6627

        #288
        Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        Disagree 100%

        1. Iggy has an awful toxic atrocious hideous disgusting repulsive nauseating contract
        2. Iggy can't shoot worth a damn, something the Lakers obviously need and lack
        3. LA desperately needs a PG who can hopefully shoot and play some defense, and a SF who can definitely shoot and not be a liability like Ron is on the offensive end. Hint: Iggy is not the guy they should be looking for

        Terrible trade that would set Los Angeles back and they won't win another ring with Kobe if they do that trade

        Terrifying rumor
        I'd have to disagree with you on the Iggy/Artest-Odom trade rumor. I think that trade would help LA. Not saying that it will bring them an automatic championship BUT to me it does make them better.

        Looking at it from a outside perspective, I can see this being a good situation for him and the Lakers. Iggy changed his game last year and became more of a facilitator for the team. This basically started when he played for Team USA last year. For all the years he was with the Sixers, he was forced into being the number one guy for that team. Playing for Team USA in the FIBA World Championships last summer, it was probably the first time in a while he was on a team where he probably wasn't even the fourth or fifth best player. BUT a strange thing happened, he realized how effective he was when he wasn't trying to be the focal point and worried about other aspects of the game. Iggy turned in a solid all-around performance in those tournaments. Which in turn, carried over into the regular season. For some reason or another, players who played for Team USA in the FIBA World Championship last summer did wonders to their games. Iggy included.

        So what I'm trying to say is that Iggy might of realized that he can't be the main guy on a championship team. Of course, we all probably knew that for quite some time. BUT I think it finally resonated into Iggy in those FIBA games last year. Iggy realized that he could be a great complementary player. When the Sixers went on their big streak in January and February, Iggy turned out with some great all around performances. He wasn't getting 40 points BUT more like 18 points, 10 rebounds and 7-8 assist. If Iggy comes to LA with that same exact mindset, it's a perfect match.
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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #289
          Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

          Originally posted by Dice
          I'd have to disagree with you on the Iggy/Artest-Odom trade rumor. I think that trade would help LA. Not saying that it will bring them an automatic championship BUT to me it does make them better.

          Looking at it from a outside perspective, I can see this being a good situation for him and the Lakers. Iggy changed his game last year and became more of a facilitator for the team. This basically started when he played for Team USA last year. For all the years he was with the Sixers, he was forced into being the number one guy for that team. Playing for Team USA in the FIBA World Championships last summer, it was probably the first time in a while he was on a team where he probably wasn't even the fourth or fifth best player. BUT a strange thing happened, he realized how effective he was when he wasn't trying to be the focal point and worried about other aspects of the game. Iggy turned in a solid all-around performance in those tournaments. Which in turn, carried over into the regular season. For some reason or another, players who played for Team USA in the FIBA World Championship last summer did wonders to their games. Iggy included.

          So what I'm trying to say is that Iggy might of realized that he can't be the main guy on a championship team. Of course, we all probably knew that for quite some time. BUT I think it finally resonated into Iggy in those FIBA games last year. Iggy realized that he could be a great complementary player. When the Sixers went on their big streak in January and February, Iggy turned out with some great all around performances. He wasn't getting 40 points BUT more like 18 points, 10 rebounds and 7-8 assist. If Iggy comes to LA with that same exact mindset, it's a perfect match.
          Come on man, it's not a perfect match. He still can't shoot. It would be a marginal upgrade at best to Artest.. but you lose out on Odom's size advantage off the bench. Not to mention you lose Bynum's insurance policy.

          That is probably the dumbest trade I've heard besides the Bynum for #2 pick.

          That's not even talking about Iggy's contract. It's one of the worst in the league. They don't need to take on that kind of money for a marginal upgrade. In fact he isn't even an upgrade. LA's biggest need in the starting lineup is a shooter who can spread the floor for Pau and Bynum. Fisher and Artest made it seem like LA was playing 3 on 5.

          Iggy can score the ball OK, but his skill set won't help LA in the long run if they have to lose out on Odom to get Iggy.

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          • HMcCoy
            All Star
            • Jan 2003
            • 8212

            #290
            Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

            A Shamwow, Iggy, Bryant defensive perimeter in Mike Browns system would be ridiculous.
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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #291
              Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

              Brown is overrated defensively. Dude just doesn't have it in him. He gets abused just like Fisher does. Ever since the Houston series that went 7 games, I have never seen Brown get his defensive mentality back. He got lit that series.

              That would also be such an awful shooting lineup. Teams could play the most casual zone and have success.

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              • Drewski
                Basketball Reasons
                • Jun 2011
                • 3783

                #292
                Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                Come on man, it's not a perfect match. He still can't shoot. It would be a marginal upgrade at best to Artest.. but you lose out on Odom's size advantage off the bench. Not to mention you lose Bynum's insurance policy.

                That is probably the dumbest trade I've heard besides the Bynum for #2 pick.

                That's not even talking about Iggy's contract. It's one of the worst in the league. They don't need to take on that kind of money for a marginal upgrade. In fact he isn't even an upgrade. LA's biggest need in the starting lineup is a shooter who can spread the floor for Pau and Bynum. Fisher and Artest made it seem like LA was playing 3 on 5.

                Iggy can score the ball OK, but his skill set won't help LA in the long run if they have to lose out on Odom to get Iggy.
                Exactly this. They need a PG who can penetrate, kick out, and defend, and ANYONE who can stretch the floor.
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                • Dice
                  Sitting by the door
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 6627

                  #293
                  Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                  Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                  Come on man, it's not a perfect match. He still can't shoot. It would be a marginal upgrade at best to Artest.. but you lose out on Odom's size advantage off the bench. Not to mention you lose Bynum's insurance policy.

                  That is probably the dumbest trade I've heard besides the Bynum for #2 pick.

                  That's not even talking about Iggy's contract. It's one of the worst in the league. They don't need to take on that kind of money for a marginal upgrade. In fact he isn't even an upgrade. LA's biggest need in the starting lineup is a shooter who can spread the floor for Pau and Bynum. Fisher and Artest made it seem like LA was playing 3 on 5.

                  Iggy can score the ball OK, but his skill set won't help LA in the long run if they have to lose out on Odom to get Iggy.
                  Well, his shooting skill-set is not what I'm looking at. And yes, Iggy isn't Larry Bird as far as long range shooting BUT I wouldn't put him in the same category as Ben Wallace's shooting. He's not great BUT he's not terrible.

                  I'm looking at the fit from more of an intangible perspective. As I stated, Iggy looks like he understood the concept of being a great complementary player. And yes, I know he doesn't get paid like one BUT I'm just sticking to what's going on the court and what he can bring to the Lakers next year. Iggy is the perfect fill-in player. He can give you scoring. Some rebounding. Some passing. And some solid defense.

                  And one thing we have to remember is that the Lakers is probably going to go away from the triangle offense. Which means, his shooting won't be much of a factor since the emphasis on the triangle is shooters and post players. Brown stated that he was going to run more of what the Spurs mid-2000's teams ran. Offenses starting from the high post and a big dose of pick-and-rolls. Iggy, to me, would be perfect for it.
                  I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                  • Yeah...THAT Guy
                    Once in a Lifetime Memory
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 17294

                    #294
                    Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                    MikeWellsNBAMike Wellsby sam_amick


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                    • ex carrabba fan
                      I'll thank him for you
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #295
                      Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                      MikeWellsNBAMike Wellsby sam_amick


                      Brian Shaw has agreed to become associate head coach of Pacers, according to source
                      Associate head coach? What does that mean

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                      • BlueNGold
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 21817

                        #296
                        Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                        Associate head coach? What does that mean
                        Assistant, second in command, etc.

                        Basically if Vogel gets canned, he'll take over.
                        Originally posted by bradtxmale
                        I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                        • Yeah...THAT Guy
                          Once in a Lifetime Memory
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 17294

                          #297
                          Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                          Ok, so we have our first big trade of the off-season with the three way deal between Bucks, Kings, and Bobcats.

                          http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=6697545

                          Discuss.
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                          Supposedly Jackson isn't happy about being traded to Milwaukee. If Skiles can get him turned around, I think this is a big win for Milwaukee. I think Milwaukee can definitely make the playoffs in the East if Jackson cooperates.

                          I would have to think that one of the 4 PGs we now have would be moved, maybe even tonight to move back up in the 1st round?
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                          • BlueNGold
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 21817

                            #298
                            Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                            I think they're keeping Jennings and Beno. Seems like a really nice setup at the point to me.

                            SJax needs to stop being a bitch and just play well. This is a much better team than the Bobcats and I think he fits in well with this particular team.
                            Originally posted by bradtxmale
                            I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #299
                              Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold
                              I think they're keeping Jennings and Beno. Seems like a really nice setup at the point to me.

                              SJax needs to stop being a bitch and just play well. This is a much better team than the Bobcats and I think he fits in well with this particular team.
                              Agreed with all of that. I think if the Bucks are confident Livingston can stay healthy, keep him because he's probably undervalued by the other teams. He actually played 73 games this season, so that's certainly promising. I guess it really just depends on how other teams value these guys. Udrih is a pretty good player. Shot about 50% from the floor, 36% from 3, and 14.3 points and 5.1 assists per 36 minutes, compared to 13.7 and 4.7 from Livingston (granted Livingston played only 17 minutes per game so it skews his stats a lot more).

                              So if we can use Udrih to get a good SG or SF in return, I'd take it. Or if we can't, I'd be fine with using Livingston to get a 2nd round pick or anything that Hammond thinks could help us.
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                              • roadman
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 26339

                                #300
                                Re: NBA Off-season Movement & FA List (PG 1 Updates)

                                I love this trade.

                                The Bucks move Bad Porn's Bad contract and Salmons contract and move down 9 spots in a weak draft.

                                All SJax needs to do is purchase a few sweatshirts and a winter coat and he's good to go in Milwaukee. He's a much better defender than Bad Porn, too.

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