NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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So how will they determine the draft order if there isn't a season? Will they use the same draft lottery teams as this past season?

The NBA would probably do something similar to the NHL after their lockout:

"Every team had a chance at the No. 1 pick," he wrote. "Here was how it worked:

"The draft drawing, a weighted lottery system, was used to determine the order of selection for all seven rounds of the entry draft. Under the weighted lottery system, the clubs that neither qualified for the Stanley Cup playoffs in each of the 2001-02, 2002-03 and 2003-04 seasons, nor were awarded the first overall selection in each of the 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 entry drafts, had the greatest chance of receiving the first overall selection, 6.3 percent. These clubs were the Penguins, Buffalo Sabres, Columbus Blue Jackets and New York Rangers.

"Ten clubs met one of the seven criteria listed above and had a 4.2 percent chance of winning the drawing, while the remaining 16 clubs had a 2.1 percent chance."

Basically every team would get a shot at the number 1 overall pick.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

The NBA would probably do something similar to the NHL after their lockout:

"Every team had a chance at the No. 1 pick," he wrote. "Here was how it worked:

"The draft drawing, a weighted lottery system, was used to determine the order of selection for all seven rounds of the entry draft. Under the weighted lottery system, the clubs that neither qualified for the Stanley Cup playoffs in each of the 2001-02, 2002-03 and 2003-04 seasons, nor were awarded the first overall selection in each of the 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 entry drafts, had the greatest chance of receiving the first overall selection, 6.3 percent. These clubs were the Penguins, Buffalo Sabres, Columbus Blue Jackets and New York Rangers.

"Ten clubs met one of the seven criteria listed above and had a 4.2 percent chance of winning the drawing, while the remaining 16 clubs had a 2.1 percent chance."

Basically every team would get a shot at the number 1 overall pick.

Welcome to your post-Kobe Bryant superstar, LA.

[da ThRONe]

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I don't care about the draft as I care about what happens to the contracts that were supposed to expire after this season.

Has anyone said if they'd just be wiped off the books?

Yes this counts as a year on players contracts whether they play or not.

Paul can opted out after this year!

[RedSceptile]

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Fast forward to 2012 the NBA uses what the NHL used i.e. the weighted lottery once the lockout is over.

It the Heat, Lakers, Mavericks, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, Knicks, or Thunder got one of the top 3-5 picks the nationwide response and reactions would be priceless.

[da ThRONe]

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People are blaming the superstars for only looking out for themselves, but really it's the mid-tier players that's impacted by these so called "negotations" the most. The superstars will get their money and that amount is capped anyways. The only thing they're fighting for is the right to have more options to choose teams in free agency. The BRI split will hurt the lower to mid level salary players. So to say the superstars are taking a stance that hurt the guys at the bottom is wrong IMO. Matter of a fact I would say that's the complete opposite of what's taking place here.

If the union concedes to 47% that 400 million will be felt by the role players and fringe starters.

[da ThRONe]

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At this point I think the players should shift their attention to gaining consessions from the owners in other areas. Unfortunately for the players the longer this plays out the more they will be forced to concede later.

I think the players were right not to give up easily, but you kind of have to know when to fold a bad hand and take a smaller loss. No need in having most of their bargining chips wiped away in a losing situations.

[RedSceptile]

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At this point I think the players should shift their attention to gaining consessions from the owners in other areas. Unfortunately for the players the longer this plays out the more they will be forced to concede later.

I think the players were right not to give up easily, but you kind of have to know when to fold a bad hand and take a smaller loss. No need in having most of their bargining chips wiped away in a losing situations.

How are they going to get concessions from the owners with no leverage. That's like getting robbed at gunpoint and demanding the perpetrator not take your credit cards.

[WTF]

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AND.. What on earth are their bargaining chips? They have NONE. That's what we're saying... WHY keep this lockout going, hurting everyone even worse. If they were worried about the mid tier guy, they would have accepted the 50/50 and went on with it. It's already been shown, the difference in the 3% that they're holding out over 10 years is COMPLETELY negated by 4 more weeks of being locked out.

The superstars have their money, endorsements can make up for more than what's lost anyway. The lower tier guys are the ones getting burnt holding out longer.

[da ThRONe]

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How are they going to get concessions from the owners with no leverage. That's like getting robbed at gunpoint and demanding the perpetrator not take your credit cards.

Seriously?

They players have leverage just very little if they had none the owners would take more.

[da ThRONe]

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AND.. What on earth are their bargaining chips? They have NONE. That's what we're saying... WHY keep this lockout going, hurting everyone even worse. If they were worried about the mid tier guy, they would have accepted the 50/50 and went on with it. It's already been shown, the difference in the 3% that they're holding out over 10 years is COMPLETELY negated by 4 more weeks of being locked out.

The superstars have their money, endorsements can make up for more than what's lost anyway. The lower tier guys are the ones getting burnt holding out longer.

If the players had nothing the owners would be asking for 60-75% share of the BRI.

[goh]

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Seriously?

They players have leverage just very little if they had none the owners would take more.

No they don't. They really,really don't. They already had none yesterday now it's even less today. The report was 6 teams are making money. Now the report today says 4 teams want to make a deal. So there's 24 teams not making money and 2 more that are making money but want more.

Players: "We won't play!"

26 teams: "Alright,more money for us!"

Kobe/KG/Lebron etc.: "World tour!" "We got endorsment money anyway,just shoot a few more ads."

Rookies: "Good thing we went to college instead of the NBA straight out of high school!"

Delonte West (or was it Daniel Gibson?): "You want fries with that?"

Leon Powe: "Wutcha mean I can't paid for sitting on the park bench!?!?! I got paid millions to sit on a NBA bench! All that money AND the best seat in the house. This gotta be worth something! Maybe if I put this hat here and look sad..."

[tehova]

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when the news the negotiations broke down, i started looking for contract work overseas. I told my girlfriend she is gonna have to start bringing girls home or something because i dont wanna live like this

[RedSceptile]

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Seriously?

They players have leverage just very little if they had none the owners would take more.

It's called etiquette. If you're being robbed the robber can shoot you just for the hell of it port strip you bare because they feel like it but they don't. The owners aren't stupid, they won't lower the BRI by too many extremes because at the end of the lockout those are the guys that are the draw of the league.

[23]

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Seriously?

They players have leverage just very little if they had none the owners would take more.

Man you keep making the same arguments over and over and over, and no matter what they tell you, you keep going on with the same thing

Go to work and tell your boss to terminate your contract with them, then tell the CEO how much of the money you help them make they NEED to give you

...then you watch his face

[da ThRONe]

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Man you keep making the same arguments over and over and over, and no matter what they tell you, you keep going on with the same thing

Go to work and tell your boss to terminate your contract with them, then tell the CEO how much of the money you help them make they NEED to give you

...then you watch his face

WTF are you talking about? LOL

I don't generate the same kind of revenue the players do based solely on my skill to do whatever. I can't go to my boss demanding a raise because I'm easily replacable. They could bring in somebody to do what I do an operations would run just as smooth if not smoother depending on who they hire. Nobody goes to my company solely for my services. The company I work for customers don't know my name and couldn't pick me out of a line-up for a million dollars.My situation don't even compare to the players.

The idea that the individuals that are A) The workforce and the product that generates billions of dollars annually and B) In a union not having any leverage is ridiculous.