Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

**SonicMage** · 10-16-2003, 01:46 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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ATrillionaire said:
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Admiral50 said:
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ATrillionaire said:
Francis 3pt percentage .354
Parker 3pt percentage .337

Francis 2pt percentage .435
Parker 2pt percentage .418

Seeing that Francis will get double teamed and Parker won't, I'd say Francis is the better shooter.

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Last yars stats -
Francis -
overall fg% = 43.5%
3 point % = 35.4%

Parker -
overall fg% = 46.4%
3 point % = 33.1%
 Which could mean that Francis has progressed and Parker has regressed(he an even worst 3pt shooter last year) 
I dunno, how often would Francis have even been doubled? Very Often And regardless of stats I just think I see Parker as the better shooter, maybe I am imaging it wrong and am wrong C'mon, San Antonio played a lot of games on TV last year, how many times have your heard analysist saying that Parker needs to improve his shot. The guy can't buy a 3, he doesn't even jump when he shoots them. . Fine. I still personally prefer my choices

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I understand you prefer Parker, I mean, your a SA fan, they've won the championship, so why would you want to change. All I'm saying is, don't for one second believe the Spurs wouldn't dump Parker in a alley if they given Steve Francis.

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Or Jason Kidd, for that matter.

**Admiral50** · 10-16-2003, 01:53 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

**Admiral50** · 10-16-2003, 01:53 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

**Admiral50** · 10-16-2003, 01:53 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

**SonicMage** · 10-16-2003, 02:04 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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Admiral50 said:
I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

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Francis can hit free throws, has twice as many steals, more than twice as many rebounds (and you mentioned this), and one more APG. I'd take Francis. He would also take scoring load off Duncan.

**SonicMage** · 10-16-2003, 02:04 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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Admiral50 said:
I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

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Francis can hit free throws, has twice as many steals, more than twice as many rebounds (and you mentioned this), and one more APG. I'd take Francis. He would also take scoring load off Duncan.

**SonicMage** · 10-16-2003, 02:04 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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Admiral50 said:
I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

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Francis can hit free throws, has twice as many steals, more than twice as many rebounds (and you mentioned this), and one more APG. I'd take Francis. He would also take scoring load off Duncan.

**ATrillionaire** · 10-16-2003, 02:06 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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Admiral50 said:
I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

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Ok, you've made your point, you wouldn't trade Parker for Francis, but don't for one second believe that the SA organization shares your opinion. "I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis." Be for real, I know your a SA fan, but, maybe because it's late your not "powered up"....think about that some more. Steve Francis was a starter on the all star team for goodness sakes. The guy has stock.

BTW.......I am nowhere near a Francis fan, and I think he is highly overratted, but I won't underrate him.

**ATrillionaire** · 10-16-2003, 02:06 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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Admiral50 said:
I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

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Ok, you've made your point, you wouldn't trade Parker for Francis, but don't for one second believe that the SA organization shares your opinion. "I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis." Be for real, I know your a SA fan, but, maybe because it's late your not "powered up"....think about that some more. Steve Francis was a starter on the all star team for goodness sakes. The guy has stock.

BTW.......I am nowhere near a Francis fan, and I think he is highly overratted, but I won't underrate him.

**ATrillionaire** · 10-16-2003, 02:06 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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Admiral50 said:
I've seen a few Rockets games and Francis is a turnover machine, never got doubled (maybe I saw the wrong games) and even his home commentators criticize him, especially the old 'could have had that same shot 4 plays ago (meaning he keeps doing fancy dribble after fancy dribble to get his own shot.) and is just such a loose ball handler and player.
I didn't say a thing about Kidd but I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis.
Even if Francis is the better player, I did mention a few times I wasn't picking them on who was better and I did previously mention I could be seeing it wrong and could be wrong, I am not just making statements but also opinions.
There are a few guys I'd take over Parker, Francis is not one of them.

Oh and what did you mean about Parker regressing?
His first year he averaged 9 pts at 41% with 32% three's.
Second year he averaged 15 pts at 46% with 33% three's.

While Francis' career fg% has gone - 44, 45, 41 43% and his three's have gone - 34, 39, 32, 39%

Were you talking about yearly stats?
Thanks
(yes I do have to look some of those numbers up to make sure)

<hr /></blockquote>

Ok, you've made your point, you wouldn't trade Parker for Francis, but don't for one second believe that the SA organization shares your opinion. "I doubt Spurs would take a straight swap Parker for Francis." Be for real, I know your a SA fan, but, maybe because it's late your not "powered up"....think about that some more. Steve Francis was a starter on the all star team for goodness sakes. The guy has stock.

BTW.......I am nowhere near a Francis fan, and I think he is highly overratted, but I won't underrate him.

**Admiral50** · 10-16-2003, 02:09 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

The difference between 75 and 80% ft's is not much.

Fan votes in an All Star game doesn't always mean a quality player.

BUT...please understand every stat and comparison aside, I am choosing on what I think Parker will do this year and in future years and on what I think Francis could not do in the Spurs.

Anyway everything I said (which is more opinion than anything, stupid opinion? maybe, hehe!) I still prefer my guys for what they have shown, their age and potential and style of play for Spurs wins than the other guys.

**Admiral50** · 10-16-2003, 02:09 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

The difference between 75 and 80% ft's is not much.

Fan votes in an All Star game doesn't always mean a quality player.

BUT...please understand every stat and comparison aside, I am choosing on what I think Parker will do this year and in future years and on what I think Francis could not do in the Spurs.

Anyway everything I said (which is more opinion than anything, stupid opinion? maybe, hehe!) I still prefer my guys for what they have shown, their age and potential and style of play for Spurs wins than the other guys.

**Admiral50** · 10-16-2003, 02:09 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

The difference between 75 and 80% ft's is not much.

Fan votes in an All Star game doesn't always mean a quality player.

BUT...please understand every stat and comparison aside, I am choosing on what I think Parker will do this year and in future years and on what I think Francis could not do in the Spurs.

Anyway everything I said (which is more opinion than anything, stupid opinion? maybe, hehe!) I still prefer my guys for what they have shown, their age and potential and style of play for Spurs wins than the other guys.

**ATrillionaire** · 10-16-2003, 02:21 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

Oh well, Lakers win anyway(lakers and Sac bailed SA out with injuries, esp. Sac), and on that note, I bid you farewell and goodnight.

**ATrillionaire** · 10-16-2003, 02:21 AM

Re: Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

Oh well, Lakers win anyway(lakers and Sac bailed SA out with injuries, esp. Sac), and on that note, I bid you farewell and goodnight.

Not a matter of IF, but WHEN the Spurs repeat!

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