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  • wwharton
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    • Aug 2002
    • 26949

    #991
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
    Average NBA Fan: Harden? Trade WESTBROOK! HE RUINS OKC!
    Or they just remember the finals games they saw and talk about how Perkins is one of the best centers in the league.

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    They both(I know Harden is)will only be RFAs anyway next year, are they not?

    EDIT: These sites here show they both won't be Unrestricted FAs until 2014 and they'll be restricted next year.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-...r/serge-ibaka/

    http://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-.../james-harden/
    I'd trust those links over my memory.

    Perkins really just isn't all that. I got killed for saying it when the trade went down, lol. Great role player and has some leadership qualities but he didn't deserve that money. They probably want to work Collinson into the rotation more too.

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    • ex carrabba fan
      I'll thank him for you
      • Oct 2004
      • 32744

      #992
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      Perkins really doesn't make that much to downsize him like that.

      OKC will be in a tough position in the next few years, but we'll never know if they'd be where they are today without Perkins.

      I know Boston sure could have used him the past few years.

      Ask any GM and they'll tell you Perk is still one of the top post defenders the league has. He deserves his contract especially compared to other centers.

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      • wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26949

        #993
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        Perkins really doesn't make that much to downsize him like that.

        OKC will be in a tough position in the next few years, but we'll never know if they'd be where they are today without Perkins.

        I know Boston sure could have used him the past few years.

        Ask any GM and they'll tell you Perk is still one of the top post defenders the league has. He deserves his contract especially compared to other centers.
        It's hard to say. Money gets flown around like crazy so when we look relatively, it may not be so crazy. I just remember the talk when it happened and people were jumping off a bridge about this guy. He's decent... that's about it. His offense is VERY lacking, and while he's a "good" defender and aggressive rebounder, he's not good enough considering his offensive deficiencies to be up in arms about (imo of course). I remember the talk of him being a "great" defender when he went down in the championship... I pulled the numbers and he did very little to slow down Bynum or Gasol. He's good... maybe better than good but not great. He was a great fit for the Celtics bc they had a PERFECT role for him with the other players around him. In OKC? He's a starter and deserves to start in this league. I'm not suggesting he gives him nothing but he's nothing special.

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        • ex carrabba fan
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          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #994
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          People really thought this guy was a good overall talented top center? Or did they realize how much he meant to that Boston team and recognize what he does outside the statsheet?

          There's a difference.

          He gets paid what he deserves in today's game, maybe a year long on the deal, but he deserves 7-8.5 million a year.

          Harden doesn't deserve even #2 option money. People will find out he'll turn out Joe Johnson esque. That's not a bad thing at all, but if you pay Harden Joe Johnson money, it might not work out for you the way you'd like.

          I love both Ibaka and Harden, just depends on how much you're willing to pay the both of them.

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #995
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

            Perkins' contract is almost a bargain compared what others are getting *cough*DeAndre Jordan*cough*Nene*cough and what others will soon be getting *cough*JaVale McGee*cough*.

            Dude's one of the best defensive players at his position and folks just wanna dump like that? Shoot, last I checked Boston was still trying to replace him in that lineup(playing KG or J.O'Neal were not nor were they the answers at the 5).

            As far as the Draft goes(my fault for bringing this OT)apparently Dion Waiters has a promise from the Suns that they'll select him at #13. Didn't the Raptors promise him as well?
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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #996
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Between Waiters and Austin Rivers and the Raptors and the Suns.. it seems like they'll end up with one another with all these rumored promises going around

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              • Yeah...THAT Guy
                Once in a Lifetime Memory
                • Dec 2006
                • 17294

                #997
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Perkins' contract is almost a bargain compared what others are getting *cough*DeAndre Jordan*cough*Nene*cough and what others will soon be getting *cough*JaVale McGee*cough*.

                Dude's one of the best defensive players at his position and folks just wanna dump like that? Shoot, last I checked Boston was still trying to replace him in that lineup(playing KG or J.O'Neal were not nor were they the answers at the 5).

                As far as the Draft goes(my fault for bringing this OT)apparently Dion Waiters has a promise from the Suns that they'll select him at #13. Didn't the Raptors promise him as well?
                Early rumors said it was the Raptors that promised Waiters they'd take him, but Colangelo came out and said there isn't a chance in hell they made that promise lol.
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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #998
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  I know the Nets were/are interested in possibly buying a 1st rd pick somewhere 17 and down and that they'd be willing to part with Anthony Morrow to get it also.
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                  • OSUFan_88
                    Outback Jesus
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 25642

                    #999
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Here's to hoping the new DX mock is right.
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                    Urban Meyer is lol.

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                    • wwharton
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26949

                      #1000
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                      People really thought this guy was a good overall talented top center? Or did they realize how much he meant to that Boston team and recognize what he does outside the statsheet?

                      There's a difference.

                      He gets paid what he deserves in today's game, maybe a year long on the deal, but he deserves 7-8.5 million a year.

                      Harden doesn't deserve even #2 option money. People will find out he'll turn out Joe Johnson esque. That's not a bad thing at all, but if you pay Harden Joe Johnson money, it might not work out for you the way you'd like.

                      I love both Ibaka and Harden, just depends on how much you're willing to pay the both of them.
                      No because I fully understand the latter. I was having this discussion with you if I'm not mistaken (not important enough for either one of us to dig up the thread). Pretty sure you had the same stance then (which I don't disagree with) but were arguing on behalf of people that were saying he was a great center and the apologists blaming the Celtics loss on his injury. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you ever had their perspective but my comments were directed at them and you replied. But people were saying he was the key to a Thunder championship when he was traded.

                      I hear you on the salary though. Based on today's NBA it's in line. I don't think we agree on Perkins value but I don't think we're far off.

                      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                      Perkins' contract is almost a bargain compared what others are getting *cough*DeAndre Jordan*cough*Nene*cough and what others will soon be getting *cough*JaVale McGee*cough*.

                      Dude's one of the best defensive players at his position and folks just wanna dump like that? Shoot, last I checked Boston was still trying to replace him in that lineup(playing KG or J.O'Neal were not nor were they the answers at the 5).

                      As far as the Draft goes(my fault for bringing this OT)apparently Dion Waiters has a promise from the Suns that they'll select him at #13. Didn't the Raptors promise him as well?
                      Yeah, you're both right in terms of the salary. I'm not going to call him the best defensive player at his position though (minus the obvious D12). I guess a case could be made for "one of the best" but based mostly on the state of centers in the league today... he ain't that great, even on defense. Well he's almost a waste on offense while good on defense. The state of the Celtics at center isn't an argument for his talent. They had him and a bunch of old guys who quickly got hurt or just couldn't play anymore. Plus, with the team around him, he was a perfect fit for the Celtics. For example, you take Rondo rookie year and put him on today's team and they're losing in the 1st round. Meanwhile Perkins' ceiling isn't really any higher than when he had his role on that team. He can be a good fit for some team, but other than saying he's definitely a starting center in this league, I don't understand all the hype.

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                      • SteelersFreak
                        All Star
                        • May 2004
                        • 9582

                        #1001
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                        Average NBA Fan: Harden? Trade WESTBROOK! HE RUINS OKC!
                        Honestly I think OKC's offense would run smoother if Harden played point while Westbrook played the 2.
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                        • BurnsideAdmiral
                          Rookie
                          • May 2011
                          • 217

                          #1002
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          What do you guys really think about MKG? I know he's said already he'd like to play with the Cavs and I'm starting to see more mocks where Charlotte takes Robinson and MKG falls to 4. Personally I was saying no way in Hell he was worth the number 2 pick. Personally I think he's the ultimate role player/defender until a couple years from now where he might average 14 a game? I just don't see him as a viable offensive option in the NBA. But I actually think he fits the Cavs the best because he'll be playing with Kyrie and will gets cuts to the basket easily. I don't think it's the right pick right now though. If the Cavs already had a solid number 2 scoring option along with Kyrie I'd be drooling over MKG, Hell I'd say trade up to get him. Right now I think it's still hard for me to say take him at 4 because we don't have another viable scoring option. But this can also play into our advantage by being bad again this year and getting back into the lottery next year to take a scorer. Or should the Cavs just take Barnes and get a scorer? Or go completely 180 and take Drummond and take a 2 guard shooter with 24? I'm not quite set on a theory yet for the Cavs draft and don't think I will be until after the draft lol. Thoughts on Cavs direction?

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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #1003
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Originally posted by wwharton
                            Yeah, you're both right in terms of the salary. I'm not going to call him the best defensive player at his position though (minus the obvious D12). I guess a case could be made for "one of the best" but based mostly on the state of centers in the league today... he ain't that great, even on defense. Well he's almost a waste on offense while good on defense. The state of the Celtics at center isn't an argument for his talent. They had him and a bunch of old guys who quickly got hurt or just couldn't play anymore. Plus, with the team around him, he was a perfect fit for the Celtics. For example, you take Rondo rookie year and put him on today's team and they're losing in the 1st round. Meanwhile Perkins' ceiling isn't really any higher than when he had his role on that team. He can be a good fit for some team, but other than saying he's definitely a starting center in this league, I don't understand all the hype.
                            Nobody's hyping him up though, me and Ex have called him for what is and has always been and that's horrible offensively but defensively he's one of the better guys at his position and has been for a while, regardless of the quality of players at the position.
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                            • da ThRONe
                              Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 8528

                              #1004
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                              Nobody's hyping him up though, me and Ex have called him for what is and has always been and that's horrible offensively but defensively he's one of the better guys at his position and has been for a while, regardless of the quality of players at the position.
                              I'm a fan of Perkins and agree when you look at the league he is far from over paid. He's one of the strongest defensives centers/presense in the league. I just think if it comes to keeping Harden and Ibaka or Perkins I'm going for Harden and Ibaka.
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                              • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                                • Dec 2006
                                • 17294

                                #1005
                                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                                Originally posted by SteelersFreak
                                Honestly I think OKC's offense would run smoother if Harden played point while Westbrook played the 2.
                                I mean, at the end of the day, those two and Durant share ball-handling duties. Does it matter which one is coined the "point guard". It's like saying Chalmers is the Heat's point guard.
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