Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

[ojandpizza]

He "clearly" was when Jordan went on hiatus. Only Mitch Richmond was better at 2G then.

So are you saying you have to be a SG to be a top 10 player now?

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

So are you saying you have to be a SG to be a top 10 player now?

In 1994/95 Miller was a top 10 player...imo.

He lead that team to the EC finals. There was no Jalen Rose or Mark Jackson.
Mitch Richmond at the time was more productive: scored more points.

I questioned the Wade is clearly the best player at the time comment.
He got knocked in the first round.
And now u need Miller's media perception to prove what point? I offered up one media example of his "rating".
Whether he was top ten or not has nothing to do with whether Wade was clearly the best player in the NBA as dude claimed.

I dont understand the mix up.
Did i say top 10 player is relegated to only SG?
Someone asked if Miller was ever rated amongst the elite in his career.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Ok then so in 94-95 witch of these guys was he better than
Hakeem, Shaq, David Robinson, Pippen, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Penny, Kemp, Payton, Richmond, and Ewing??

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Ok then so in 94-95 witch of these guys was he better than
Hakeem, Shaq, David Robinson, Pippen, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Penny, Kemp, Payton, Richmond, and Ewing??

The Ewing that scored one point in game 3 vs the Pacers to lose 4-3 in the EC semis.

[ojandpizza]

Ok then so in 94-95 witch of these guys was he better than
Hakeem, Shaq, David Robinson, Pippen, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Penny, Kemp, Payton, Richmond, and Ewing??

Add Rodman, Grant Hill, Alonzo Mourning, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Sprewell, Charles Barkley, Joe Dumars, Tim Hardaway, and maybe Dikembe Mutombo.

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Add Rodman, Grant Hill, Alonzo Mourning, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Sprewell, Charles Barkley, Joe Dumars, Tim Hardaway, and maybe Dikembe Mutombo.

All those dudes got knocked out of the Playoffs or didnt even make it.

Dumars - No
Grant Hill was a rookie
Tim Hardaway and Sprewell - No
Mutombo - No
Drexler - no playoffs
Barkley - yes
Mourning - no playoffs
Rodman - No

Four teams get to the Conference Finals. Four teams have team leaders.
Miller was one of those four.

With a season statline of 30.2 Points (scoring champion) 7.5 assists 5 rebounds, 2.2 steals, and 1.3 blocks per game, he was clearly the best player in the league.

Should I run a list of names in the same way?

[DukeC]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

All those dudes got knocked out of the Playoffs or didnt even make it.

Dumars - No
Grant Hill was a rookie
Tim Hardaway and Sprewell - No
Mutombo - No
Drexler - no playoffs
Barkley - yes
Mourning - no playoffs
Rodman - No

Four teams get to the Conference Finals. Four teams have team leaders.
Miller was one of those four.



Should I run a list of names in the same way?

So making the playoffs determines whether you were good?

I always thought it was the quality of the team and what coach you had...

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

All those dudes got knocked out of the Playoffs or didnt even make it.

Dumars - No
Grant Hill was a rookie
Tim Hardaway and Sprewell - No
Mutombo - No
Drexler - no playoffs
Barkley - yes
Mourning - no playoffs
Rodman - No

Four teams get to the Conference Finals. Four teams have team leaders.
Miller was one of those four.?

So we are only judging guys by how far their team got?? So then what was Reggie all those years he lost in the first round??

Aside from that you are wrong here as well. Not only did Drexler make the playoffs he won it all that year with Houston. Zo also was in the playoffs as the four seed with the Hornets.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Add Rodman, Grant Hill, Alonzo Mourning, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Sprewell, Charles Barkley, Joe Dumars, Tim Hardaway, and maybe Dikembe Mutombo.

I forgot Drexler on the list don't know how I did that. I had Barkley listed. Those others guys I could have possibly thrown out there but I was just giving him a clear cut 10 to 12 guys who where better than Reggie that year.

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

So we are only judging guys by how far their team got?? So then what was Reggie all those years he lost in the first round??

Aside from that you are wrong here as well. Not only did Drexler make the playoffs he won it all that year with Houston. Zo also was in the playoffs as the four seed with the Hornets.

Charlotte was in the playoffs that season? They were and Zo was in his second year. Not better than Miller.

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Yes they won 50 games and was the four seed. They lost to the Bulls in the first round.

The rusty Jordan knocked them.

U have ZO better than Miller that year?

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

So we are only judging guys by how far their team got?? So then what was Reggie all those years he lost in the first round??
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I thought this was in the context of the Jordan retirement years. As the SLAM magazine shows.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

The rusty Jordan knocked them.

U have ZO better than Miller that year?

You are asking about one guy I didn't even list. I gave you a list of 12 players and you have yet to say Miller was better than any of those guys. So forget Zo you said he was "clearly" top 10. I gave you 12 should have been 13 with Drexler and you have yet to say Reggie was better than any of them.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

I thought this was in the context of the Jordan retirement years. As the SLAM magazine shows.

Yes and I spoke on that earlier and you didn't answer that either. In Jordan's full year of retirement Reggie didn't even make the all star team let alone all NBA and he was healthy all year. There is no way you can "clearly" be a top 10 player in the league if you don't even make the all star team and you was healthy all year.

[InthePaint]

Re: Dwyane Wade vs Reggie Miller?

Yes and I spoke on that earlier and you didn't answer that either. In Jordan's full year of retirement Reggie didn't even make the all star team let alone all NBA and he was healthy all year. There is no way you can "clearly" be a top 10 player in the league if you don't even make the all star team and you was healthy all year.

We have different forms of measurements. You need awards, I prefer wins.

Cool. Later.