2014 Draft Discussion

[redsrule]

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@Sportsbuck- You think McDermott can play that role, but is he worth the #9 pick for a guy off the bench that is a designated sharp shooter? He's not the shooter Miller/Korver are either.

[ojandpizza]

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@Sportsbuck- You think McDermott can play that role, but is he worth the #9 pick for a guy off the bench that is a designated sharp shooter? He's not the shooter Miller/Korver are either.

He most certainly is. He was ranked first in efficiency out of anyone in the draft, 1st in spot up shooting, 1st in shooting off the dribble, 1st in shooting while coming off screens.. 27ppg, 30pp 40 minutes, 5th all time in the NCAA in scoring history.. If there are questions in his game shooting definitely isn't one of them. He'll instantly be one of the better shooters in the league.. And unlike Mike and Korver he also scores posting up, shoots like 90% from the line as well.

Idk if it's the right move or not for them, but if he's the best available I think you take him even if it does mean him coming off the bench. He'll end up being a great sixth man, probably versatile enough to play 3 and 4.. Korver has been great coming off the bench for teams, Mike Miller and Ryan Anderson have won 6th man of the year awards coming off the bench. He'll be a huge asset wherever he goes starter or not.


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[ojandpizza]

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- he's also not a designated sharp shooter either. He scored a lot of points with the ball in his hands. He is capable of creating his own looks and also has a nice post game.. He's pretty much perfected the Dirk fade-a-way as well.


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[volstopfan14]

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McDermott will be a sharpshooting forward, similar to a Mike Miller, worst case. A guy who can come off screens and spot up and knock down 3s at a high rate. Best case he can create his own shot at the NBA level and be much more than that. Defensively, he's going to struggle because of his lack of athleticism, but I think he's smart enough and willing enough to put forth good effort that he won't be a total liability.

I'm not opposed to Charlotte take him at 9. He's one of our better options. But we're in a good spot. We've got quite a few players that should be available that would fit what we need.

[AC]

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PJ Hairson is starting to really grow on me.

[LingeringRegime]

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PJ Hairson is starting to really grow on me.

Yeah, if not for the character issues I don't think there would be any doubts about him as a lottery pick. I really like his game, and the weaknesses he has on the court can be corrected by a defensive minded coach (Steve Clifford) in terms of defensive rotations. I do worry about his knuckleheadness though. Seems he has put in behind him from the interviews I have seen.

I have my doubts that McDermott can create his shot at the next level. We have seen great college players lead the nation in scoring that have done very little in the pros (Adam Morrison and Jimmer Fredette). I see McDermott as cut from a similar cloth. He is a "safe" pick for this franchise, I just don't see a high ceiling, a role player not much more.

That is why I would prefer them trading down, if possible, but Hairston's stock has been rising after the combine so I don't think he will be there at 24.

[TheMatrix31]

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Im so tired of the tanking rhetoric. If a team is historically bad, they must be tanking and thank goodness Cleveland won the lottery to teach those no good tankers to stop tanking. But what if the team is just THAT bad?

The NFL(for example) does it right. The worst teams get the best picks tanking be damned. Could you imagine if the Lions got the number one pick this year, Texans got bumped to 5 or 6? It would be bull****.

I would have been cool with getting bumped down. We got the most physically talented guy in the draft for sucking all year. I don't like that we were rewarded for sucking. I was glad when Buffalo didn't win the NHL lottery and instead got the 2nd pick.

Eh, whatever. Back to player discussion I guess. I'll leave you guys be.

For the record, I want Stauskas.

[ojandpizza]

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For the record, I want Stauskas.

Phoenix right?

I think that's a great fit. Assuming you guys play two guards again next season with Dragic and Bledsoe I think he could be the perfect 6th or 7th man for whichever of those needed to come out.


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[ojandpizza]

2014 Draft Discussion

Yeah, if not for the character issues I don't think there would be any doubts about him as a lottery pick. I really like his game, and the weaknesses he has on the court can be corrected by a defensive minded coach (Steve Clifford) in terms of defensive rotations. I do worry about his knuckleheadness though. Seems he has put in behind him from the interviews I have seen.

I have my doubts that McDermott can create his shot at the next level. We have seen great college players lead the nation in scoring that have done very little in the pros (Adam Morrison and Jimmer Fredette). I see McDermott as cut from a similar cloth. He is a "safe" pick for this franchise, I just don't see a high ceiling, a role player not much more.

That is why I would prefer them trading down, if possible, but Hairston's stock has been rising after the combine so I don't think he will be there at 24.

I don't believe that McDermott is the right fit for you guys. But I think you are drastically under rating what he is capable of offensively. And I don't think he's comparable to Adam or Jimmer, especially Jimmer who was a guard that loved to chunk a lot of shots and a ton of 3's.

McDermott only averaged 4 three point attempts per game during his career. I think because he is a great shooter and because his deep 3's are usually what made his high-light reels, that people have a belief that it's all he does. That he's basically playing the same role Kyle Korver currently has. His 2pt attempts are more than double his 3pt attempts on his career, and this last year he really showed his versatility with a pretty dominant post game.

He's ridiculously efficient: career 55% shooter (60% his sophomore year), 46% from three (twice averaging 49%), had a PER of 32.8, TS% of 64, eFG% of 60 - career average 30, 65%, 61%.. His offensive rating is a ridiculous 127.4 and 123.3 on his career. And most players who stick around for four years it's because they need to, they aren't NBA ready at a younger age. Doug has been putting up gaudy numbers like this since he was a sophomore, and his basketball IQ very high.

I know athleticism seems to be his biggest downfall right now, but I think he's more athletic than people believe.. I think he'll be similar athletically to what Mike Miller was, which should definitely be enough to keep him from being a defensive liability, or incapable of being anything other than a spot up shooter.. He should be more athletic than guys like Hedo, or Dunleavy who have had long successful careers..

For comparisons sake at the combine, his lane agility time was 11.10 which is equal to TJ Warren, faster than Ennis, Early, Hairston, Hood.. His shuttle run was 3.15 equal to Jordan McRae, comparably to Hood at 3.14, Randle 3.14, Napier 3.13... His quarter sprint was 3.29, comparable to Smart at 3.26, Nick Johnson, Stauskas, Gordon all at 3.27, faster than Ennis, Hairston, Hood.. His max vertical was 36.5, higher than Ennis, Warren, Exum, Smart, Hood, Randle.. So while he is white, he definitely does not lack quickness and agility in comparison to a large chunk of the other top prospects.. Though he's not the athlete a lot of them are, and never will be, he's not terrible in that aspect the way he's made out to be.

* ( his agility was faster, sprint slightly slower, and vertical 3 inches higher than Melo) *

Like I said, I don't necessarily think he's what y'all need but I do believe he will be a great addition to whoever lands him. I think his floor is a Korver type player or if he's better as an inside-out guy a Ryan Anderson.. I think he will be better than that though, I think more like a mix between what Miller was and Keith Van Horn... I think his IQ would allow him to be what Hedo was to Orlando if he were able to land a role like that, and I believe his ceiling could be something more like Peja - Wally Szczerbiak mixture.

Really wish he would fall to Chicago, even though some Bulls fans do not want that.. Their biggest weakness without Rose was someone who could score, and their biggest weakness with Rose healthy is someone who can consistently play off him and hit shots.. He can fill both of those, and would thrive coming off of screens the way they had Korver and Dunleavy play. And if anyone can help him overcome what might be his biggest weakness in defense it would be Thibs.


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[TheMatrix31]

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Phoenix right?

I think that's a great fit. Assuming you guys play two guards again next season with Dragic and Bledsoe I think he could be the perfect 6th or 7th man for whichever of those needed to come out.


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Yep. We need more consistent shooters. I'm not confident in the three point shooters we have now. I'd love for Stauskas to be that dead-eye guy.

[Caveman24]

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Ok so now that I let the draft "lottery" simmer down interested to see what we do. I can't see Exum getting past the Celtics/Magic so he's out the question. Hell we don't even have a coach and I doubt we get one till after FA honestly. I would hope for us to get Marcus Smart. Sadly enough I think will get Aaron Gordon.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Ok so now that I let the draft "lottery" simmer down interested to see what we do. I can't see Exum getting past the Celtics/Magic so he's out the question. Hell we don't even have a coach and I doubt we get one till after FA honestly. I would hope for us to get Marcus Smart. Sadly enough I think will get Aaron Gordon.

I think there's a good chance that one of Vonleh/Randle will be available for you guys if you want one of them.

You gotta figure that the top 4 picks will probably be Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, and Exum in some order, so that leaves Smart, Randle, Vonleh, and Gordon. Two of those guys will be gone by the time you pick unless someone reaches on someone else.

I think you guys are in a good position though since you can literally draft any position and get an immediate upgrade. I'd be more nervous if I'm a Celtics fan, because if the Jazz take Smart (which I think is pretty likely), Boston will be stuck taking another PF when they already have Sullinger and Olynyk.

[Caveman24]

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I think there's a good chance that one of Vonleh/Randle will be available for you guys if you want one of them.

You gotta figure that the top 4 picks will probably be Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, and Exum in some order, so that leaves Smart, Randle, Vonleh, and Gordon. Two of those guys will be gone by the time you pick unless someone reaches on someone else.

I think you guys are in a good position though since you can literally draft any position and get an immediate upgrade. I'd be more nervous if I'm a Celtics fan, because if the Jazz take Smart (which I think is pretty likely), Boston will be stuck taking another PF when they already have Sullinger and Olynyk.

Everytime I see Vonleh play I have Anthony Randolph stuck in my head. I think Gordon can be what Royce White was suppose to be. I want Smart but I think there can be a reach or two that shakes the draft up as we always seen.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Yeah, if not for the character issues I don't think there would be any doubts about him as a lottery pick. I really like his game, and the weaknesses he has on the court can be corrected by a defensive minded coach (Steve Clifford) in terms of defensive rotations. I do worry about his knuckleheadness though. Seems he has put in behind him from the interviews I have seen.

I have my doubts that McDermott can create his shot at the next level. We have seen great college players lead the nation in scoring that have done very little in the pros (Adam Morrison and Jimmer Fredette). I see McDermott as cut from a similar cloth. He is a "safe" pick for this franchise, I just don't see a high ceiling, a role player not much more.

That is why I would prefer them trading down, if possible, but Hairston's stock has been rising after the combine so I don't think he will be there at 24.

Regarding McDermott/Morrison/Jimmer, Morrison was a collosal bust, but Jimmer is still a good scorer in the NBA. He's just so bad at the other stuff/such an awful fit in Sacramento that he couldn't really get on the court. If you look him up on Synergy, his numbers are almost identical to Steph Curry. I still think he could be a solid player if he goes to the right situation, but the Kings was the absolute worst possible situation for him.

I think McDermott will be a solid NBA player too. Not sure if he'll ever be good enough defensively to be a starter unless you have a great defensive front court, but he should at least be able to give teams a nice boost off the bench. He's such a versatile scorer that you can pretty much run your second unit through him.

[BleacherBum2310]

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I think you guys are in a good position though since you can literally draft any position and get an immediate upgrade. I'd be more nervous if I'm a Celtics fan, because if the Jazz take Smart (which I think is pretty likely), Boston will be stuck taking another PF when they already have Sullinger and Olynyk.

If they Keep the pick I agree. I'm not really nervous though, Take the best player on the board and let the rest sort itself out.