2014 Draft Discussion

[areobee401]

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I think there's a good chance that one of Vonleh/Randle will be available for you guys if you want one of them.



You gotta figure that the top 4 picks will probably be Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, and Exum in some order, so that leaves Smart, Randle, Vonleh, and Gordon. Two of those guys will be gone by the time you pick unless someone reaches on someone else.



I think you guys are in a good position though since you can literally draft any position and get an immediate upgrade. I'd be more nervous if I'm a Celtics fan, because if the Jazz take Smart (which I think is pretty likely), Boston will be stuck taking another PF when they already have Sullinger and Olynyk.

Celtics are in no position to be drafting for need. Everyone on the roster now is potentially an asset in a future trade, including the player taken with the 6th pick. If a PF is taken and Olynk needs to be moved so be it.

[Marino]

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I really hope the Hornets draft Zach LaVine and P.J. Hairston.

[JazzMan]

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So what are the chances of one of the top four (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum) falling to #5? I'd settle for any of those guys.

Maybe Orlando picks up Randle instead of Exum? They could very well use a big man just as much as a point guard, and big men are harder to find.

[ojandpizza]

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It's a possibility Jazzman but idk, they have youth and potential at every position except PG with Jameer Nelson.

I think your best shot at landing one of those guys would be Embiid. If teams decided to pass on him for health concerns the way teams did with Noel.


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[redsrule]

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I doubt Embiid would fall that much like Noel did last year. I think his floor in terms of draft choice would be #4. I don't think the 76'ers would pick him if he fell there, and they are hoping he goes #1 or 2 so Parker/Wiggins fall to them.

[volstopfan14]

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For Charlotte, I want Stauskas at 9, though I am intrigued by Saric or Randle if either of them fell to 9. If not Stauskas, then either LaVine or McDermott.

At 24 I don't really know. Just get best player available. Kyle Anderson and PJ Hairston both would be good fits for us.

[ojandpizza]

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Charlotte is in a really good spot. Already a young and playoff ready team with a great opportunity with the depth in this draft to improve even more.


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[wwharton]

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"Tanking" is losing games on purpose. Period. The obfuscation of the term in recent years is infuriating. Being bad is not "tanking." Accumulating assets is not "tanking."

I don't know who did or didn't "tank", all I know is that I'm sick of reporters and fans and everyone else under the sun even talking about it, or uggesting it does or should happen because, along with piss-poor and corrupted officiating, it severely delegitimizes the sport. This is coming from someone who roots for a team that everyone expected to lose on purpose going into the year and ended up winning 48 games and missing the playoffs by one game. I can't even put into words how proud that makes me feel, and a lot of that is due to shutting these idiotic, simple-minded, "tanking"-peddlers up.

The lottery is fine, but I'm all about fixing real problems. If you're going to fix something, fix it. If we hear about lottery problems, it's always about the "sketchiness" of it. Even though the lottery itself is not really that sketchy (especially compared to everything else the NBA does), the losing and encouragement for teams to be bad has become increasingly so. Those are my concerns, so my idea is geared toward eliminating that as much as possible.

I don't think anyone is saying tanking is okay, just like the officiating. The problem is the suggested solutions aren't going to fix the problems, and most likely will create problems of their own. Props to you for coming up with an idea instead of just bitching about it, but I personally don't think your idea would be fair to the bad teams.

The NBA is a mess overall for small market teams, especially if they have a history of mediocrity. Getting lucky in the draft is pretty much the only chance they have right now. I don't think there is a better system than the current one to allow them to have that chance while discouraging losing to get the the first pick. It's not a perfect balance but it's as close as anything I could think of.

@Sportsbuck- You think McDermott can play that role, but is he worth the #9 pick for a guy off the bench that is a designated sharp shooter? He's not the shooter Miller/Korver are either.

Remembering Miller coming out of college, I don't think we would've thought he would've progressed to his current role. And his early years he was a very versatile player who could be anything from your 3rd option as a starter to a great bench player, doing everything (scoring, efficient, rebounding, assists). It's hard remembering THAT guy when you see the old man with bad knees who just posts up behind the 3pt line chucking up shots from kick outs.

[areobee401]

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I don't think anyone is saying tanking is okay, just like the officiating. The problem is the suggested solutions aren't going to fix the problems, and most likely will create problems of their own. Props to you for coming up with an idea instead of just bitching about it, but I personally don't think your idea would be fair to the bad teams.



The NBA is a mess overall for small market teams, especially if they have a history of mediocrity. Getting lucky in the draft is pretty much the only chance they have right now. I don't think there is a better system than the current one to allow them to have that chance while discouraging losing to get the the first pick. It's not a perfect balance but it's as close as anything I could think of.

Which is why I feel all non-playoff teams entering the Lottery with the same odds at landing a top pick could be a solution. By doing this you eliminate teams from being rewarded for being lousy. Now those fringe teams who just missed out at an 8 seed could get a player to put them over the hump. Huge difference between drafting 1-5 vs. 12-14. This would help discourage teams from feeling the need to be awful in order to turn the franchise around. It wouldn't fix the problems small market NBA teams have, but at least improves how things are set up now.

Maybe even put something in there where the team with the worst record drafts no lower than 6th? I dunno, all I'm saying is the lottery system as it stands now could be improved. Something I'd like NBA owners to look into, even though I know it will never happen.

[YogiGarebear89]

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Which is why I feel all non-playoff teams entering the Lottery with the same odds at landing a top pick could be a solution. By doing this you eliminate teams from being rewarded for being lousy. Now those fringe teams who just missed out at an 8 seed could get a player to put them over the hump. Huge difference between drafting 1-5 vs. 12-14. This would help discourage teams from feeling the need to be awful in order to turn the franchise around. It wouldn't fix the problems small market NBA teams have, but at least improves how things are set up now.

Maybe even put something in there where the team with the worst record drafts no lower than 6th? I dunno, all I'm saying is the lottery system as it stands now could be improved. Something I'd like NBA owners to look into, even though I know it will never happen.

Definitely beats the Cavs getting the first pick every year haha


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[areobee401]

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Definitely beats the Cavs getting the first pick every year haha


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This year was a fluke. The odds were stacked against them. My idea would have given them a better chance.

[Caveman24]

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So what are the chances of one of the top four (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum) falling to #5? I'd settle for any of those guys.

Maybe Orlando picks up Randle instead of Exum? They could very well use a big man just as much as a point guard, and big men are harder to find.

I don't think anyone will "slide". I do however think a top 4-5 team might pick someone higher than we expect.

[ehh]

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I really hope the Hornets draft Zach LaVine and P.J. Hairston.

You want LaVine 9th? Dayum.

[ex carrabba fan]

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If 6ers can get Parker and Harris you can't complain

[wwharton]

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Which is why I feel all non-playoff teams entering the Lottery with the same odds at landing a top pick could be a solution. By doing this you eliminate teams from being rewarded for being lousy. Now those fringe teams who just missed out at an 8 seed could get a player to put them over the hump. Huge difference between drafting 1-5 vs. 12-14. This would help discourage teams from feeling the need to be awful in order to turn the franchise around. It wouldn't fix the problems small market NBA teams have, but at least improves how things are set up now.

Maybe even put something in there where the team with the worst record drafts no lower than 6th? I dunno, all I'm saying is the lottery system as it stands now could be improved. Something I'd like NBA owners to look into, even though I know it will never happen.

I could be wrong but I think it was like that at one point. Either way, what you then have is teams like the Hornets and Hawks (for example) tanking to get in the draft bc they know they can only go so far in the playoffs. I think that's worse for the fans. As a Wizards fan I'm VERY happy with their year considering their history. If I were a member of the organization, the goal is always to win the whole thing which was a huge long shot this year... so why not trim the fat early, force the coach to play the young guys more and take your chances in the lottery?

Like with Matrix, I don't want to knock you for at least having an idea of what can be done differently, I just don't think it helps... and actually see it hurting. In this case I really don't think it makes much sense either though. What's wrong with trying to weight it to help the worse team get a high pick? Tanking... but the current system is only about percentages so there is no guarantee tanking will help you. Seems like a better solution than what you're proposing.