Coach of the Year: Gregg Popovich

[ex carrabba fan]

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100% disagree. Guy was given a winning lottery ticket from the jump. Put him on some team like the Pelicans and then judge from there. I don't think he's a ****ty coach, but that's absurd to think he could be elite.

You make reality seem like NBA 2K, where you put three guys with 90+ ratings together and you go to the finals every year. Good luck with that

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It helps to have the best player in the league

a top 3 SG

And a top 5 to 10 PF.

That doesn't happen often on one team.

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[ojandpizza]

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You're right, probably a bit too harsh. But It was more along the lines of they were similar to Mike Brown's Cleveland teams. They could ride Wade to the playoffs and you knew they were pretty much no threat at all in the postseason. They were first round fodder.

I don't think not being a threat in the postseason really meant much... I don't think any coach is a threat in the playoffs with the team he had. The important thing is that when he did have a good enough team to contend he's gotten them to the finals ever year.

I don't know if I'd go as far as calling him elite, but if the Heat win it all, or put up a good fight in the finals I think he's at least good enough to be mentioned with a lot of those guys. Doesn't mean I think he needs any COTY votes though.


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[ojandpizza]

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It helps to have the best player in the league

a top 3 SG

And a top 5 to 10 PF.

That doesn't happen often on one team.

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It helps, but it still takes direction.. You couldn't say the same about Phil Jackson?

Best player in the league, best SF in the league, top 5 PF, and the 6th man of the year?




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It helps, but it still takes direction.. You couldn't say the same about Phil Jackson?

Best player in the league, best SF in the league, top 5 PF, and the 6th man of the year?




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I could say the same for Phil especially since he used somebody else's offensive system and defensive system but he did an amazing job keeping the ship together mentally which is just as important even if that meant picking the right people. Shoot he even had key Bulls players come to the Lakers with him to help.


I still wouldn't put Spolestra on his level same as I wouldn't call Rudy T an elite coach because he won back to back titles.



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[ojandpizza]

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Oh I wouldn't either.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't think not being a threat in the postseason really meant much... I don't think any coach is a threat in the playoffs with the team he had. The important thing is that when he did have a good enough team to contend he's gotten them to the finals ever year.

I don't know if I'd go as far as calling him elite, but if the Heat win it all, or put up a good fight in the finals I think he's at least good enough to be mentioned with a lot of those guys. Doesn't mean I think he needs any COTY votes though.


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Getting COTY votes doesn't automatically make you an elite coach though, lol.

What is it exactly that keeps Spo from being considered as an elite coach, especially if he does win another championship in what would be his 4th straight trip?

Just curious to hear the arguments.

[ojandpizza]

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Getting COTY votes doesn't automatically make you an elite coach though, lol.

What is it exactly that keeps Spo from being considered as an elite coach, especially if he does win another championship in what would be his 4th straight trip?

Just curious to hear the arguments.

I know, that was my point.. You can be an elite coach without getting COTY awards.. That's the point I was making a couple pages ago when someone asked about Phil, also the award has nothing to do with championships or playoff success, which I was also explaining to him..

But I just think elite is just a strong word. I could see arguments for Spo being elite and arguments against it.. I would just be sitting on the fence hearing both sides.

Hearing "elite" just makes me think of all time greats, which I don't think Spo is.. But for the NBA today he's got to be considered somewhere around or close to the top 5 right?


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I know, that was my point.. You can be an elite coach without getting COTY awards.. That's the point I was making a couple pages ago when someone asked about Phil, also the award has nothing to do with championships or playoff success, which I was also explaining to him..

But I just think elite is just a strong word. I could see arguments for Spo being elite and arguments against it.. I would just be sitting on the fence hearing both sides.

Hearing "elite" just makes me think of all time greats, which I don't think Spo is.. But for the NBA today he's got to be considered somewhere around or close to the top 5 right?


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Yeah, today I'd consider him a top 5 Coach which is what I mean when calling some one elite. Same thing when we're talking about elite players.

When it comes to Coaching, I judge them based on these things(in no particular order): Offensive/Defensive system, player development(probably the most important one for me)leadership(such as leading your team thru some difficult stretches and managing egos and keeping everyone on the same page).

[KG]

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It's funny that when it comes to Spo people knock him for having the Big 3 yet Phil had the 2 best 1-2 combo's ever, Riles had an abundance of talent, same with Auerbach. I put it down to them being great leaders and motivators which IMO is overlooked some at the Pro level.(although there are numerous times when Phil's Lakers team would just check out but he was almost always able to get them to play when it mattered most). Spo has come a long way, just like Doc did. Doc was a mid-level coach in Orlando, got some talent in Boston, and grew into a very good coach.

[ojandpizza]

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Man Riley's Laker teams had more talent than any one team ever needed to have lol.


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[King_B_Mack]

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I'll say I feel differently about Spo than I originally did. I still wouldn't say he's elite or anything, but he's right there. That Miami defense is legit, there are some solid offensive sets I see out of them that isn't solely LeBron being LeBron. I can't really knock Spo anymore.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I mean, winning a 3-peat doesn't make you elite? Even if you have a great three player core, that's pretty impressive. Also making the finals 4 straight years as well... I mean that's pretty high standards if you wouldn't call Spo elite after a 3-peat

[BringTheHeat]

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100% disagree. Guy was given a winning lottery ticket from the jump. Put him on some team like the Pelicans and then judge from there. I don't think he's a ****ty coach, but that's absurd to think he could be elite.

Right, because Prime Wade, Beasley, Skip to my Lou, Carlos Arroyo, and Jermaine O'Neal are a lotto ticket.

And those arguments of "put X on Y and see how he does" aren't good arguments at all. If that's the case LeBron should be MVP every year because he makes any team a playoff team. Same goes for coaches..

Nobody had a problem with Pringles when his Suns were a championship contender, but now that his team doesn't fit his system he's a joke.

[King_B_Mack]

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I mean, winning a 3-peat doesn't make you elite? Even if you have a great three player core, that's pretty impressive. Also making the finals 4 straight years as well... I mean that's pretty high standards if you wouldn't call Spo elite after a 3-peat

Not saying it isn't impressive, but it is three top talents and with the way you've been pounding the eastern conference into the dirt about how terrible it is, I'm kinda surprised you put any stock into how impressive it is to waltz through the east with three of the top players in the league every year and face a team that's been grueling it out through the western conference playoffs?