2015 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

2015 Offseason Thread

Teams were going to catch them slipping regardless of how they did because....well history says when you give teams 3-4 months to watch film of you, they're going to come up with ways to slow you down and then other teams will copy their gameplan. It's a copy cat league.

The other thing is that they no longer have the element of surprise on their side like they did this year(nobody expected them to make THIS kind of jump in one year). They'll make the playoffs next year in the West but I can see them winning in the mid-high 50s column but not 67 again.

Next year's playoffs will be the same with maybe one or two new teams.

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Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Teams were going to catch them slipping regardless of how they did because....well history says when you give teams 3-4 months to watch film of you, they're going to come up with ways to slow you down and then other teams will copy their gameplan. It's a copy cat league.

The other thing is that they no longer have the element of surprise on their side like they did this year(nobody expected them to make THIS kind of jump in one year). They'll make the playoffs next year in the West but I can see them winning in the mid-high 50s column but not 67 again.

Next year's playoffs will be the same with maybe one or two new teams.

All it takes is one team but in the playoffs more of your weaknesses are exposed. It's not like one of those teams you model your after to get to winning. For one they don't have a real slasher, and I'd really think twice about tying a bunch of money into both Green and Barnes.

[cima]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Teams were going to catch them slipping regardless of how they did because....well history says when you give teams 3-4 months to watch film of you, they're going to come up with ways to slow you down and then other teams will copy their gameplan. It's a copy cat league.

The other thing is that they no longer have the element of surprise on their side like they did this year(nobody expected them to make THIS kind of jump in one year). They'll make the playoffs next year in the West but I can see them winning in the mid-high 50s column but not 67 again.

Next year's playoffs will be the same with maybe one or two new teams.

Agreed though at the same time, the Suns made it back-to-back WCF in 04-05 and 05-06 (not to mention getting screwed in 07) so there's that. Warriors still match up better than most teams they play though.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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All it takes is one team but in the playoffs more of your weaknesses are exposed. It's not like one of those teams you model your after to get to winning. For one they don't have a real slasher, and I'd really think twice about tying a bunch of money into both Green and Barnes.

When you win 67 games and make it all the way to the Finals regardless of how you do, teams are going to try to model themselves after you. That's how it's always is and has been.

And it depends how much we're talking about.

We already know Green is getting paid and technically Barnes still has another year left before he hits RFA but locking him up now gives you a better chance of getting him at a lower cost compared to a year from now when he could possibly be in same shoes Jimmy Butler was in prior to this season.

But in the article I posted earlier, even if they paid both of them, they'll still be in great positioning cap wise going forward as far as their bigger contracts from their older guys coming off the books, still having their draft picks and the advantage of the cap going up, giving them even more room/assets to improve their team.

They're going to in contention in the West, now it'll be about adding the "little things" (whether that's thru FA or the Draft)to help them get over the hump, assuming they don't in this series.

TL-DR: they'll be fine going forward regardless of how they play the rest of this series.

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I never said they wouldn't be fine but I dont think teams are going to start modeling their teams around jumpshooting guards. Barnes may stay but he's been less than impressive period. He might have a good game here or there, but im not following the hype. He's not on Jimmy's level and Thibs aint walking through that door.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

The **** Thibs got to do with this?

And I never said he's on Jimmy's level, I said that he'll be in a similar position that Butler was in prior to the season when NOBODY he would predict that type of jump he did this year.

Barnes has been less than impressive outside of Game 1(with it being the Finals, everything gets magnified x10000000 so there's that)but he also has a larger sample size from the entire year to show that he can still get better and that he's also still young, which he has on side.

Obviously teams aren't going to mimic them with the EXACT same personnel, but let's not be naive to think that teams that want to get into the playoff hunt and out of the lottery/basement aren't going to want to follow their blueprint. And I'm also sure there will be teams that'll believe you can win with ISO Ball because the Cavs are(so far)even though their case is different because they have no other option but to play that way.

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The **** Thibs got to do with this?

And I never said he's on Jimmy's level, I said that he'll be in a similar position that Butler was in prior to the season when NOBODY he would predict that type of jump he did this year.

Barnes has been less than impressive outside of Game 1(with it being the Finals, everything gets magnified x10000000 so there's that)but he also has a larger sample size from the entire year to show that he can still get better and that he's also still young, which he has on side.

Obviously teams aren't going to mimic them with the EXACT same personnel, but let's not be naive to think that teams that want to get into the playoff hunt and out of the lottery/basement aren't going to want to follow their blueprint. And I'm also sure there will be teams that'll believe you can win with ISO Ball because the Cavs are(so far)even though their case is different because they have no other option but to play that way.

Nah I dont think teams are going to build their team around 2 jumpshooting guards for success, sorry, I just don't believe that.

..and yeah that was the excuse for Barnes last year, and honestly this year he doesn't seem to be THAT much better either. Everyone in the NBA is young relatively, that means nothing unless they actually find a way to improve.

Im not dumping on him but I would definitely consider all options when the time comes.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2015 Offseason Thread

Maybe I should be more specific since you keep bringing up "jump shooting guards" for some random *** reason when you know damn well that's not what I meant and I'm obviously talking about their Offensive system/scheme.

And no that wasn't the excuse for him last year either.

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Maybe I should be more specific since you keep bringing up "jump shooting guards" for some random *** reason when you know damn well that's not what I meant and I'm obviously talking about their Offensive system/scheme.

And no that wasn't the excuse for him last year either.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about and apparently you don't understand what im saying either to get all ruffled over nothing.

I said model a TEAM after them, I have no idea why you're talking about offensive schemes.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2015 Offseason Thread

Because you keep bringing up jump shooting guards for some strange reason when nobody is talking about them.

I clearly said "obviously teams aren't going to mimic them with the exact personnel("jump shooting guards as you put it, falls into this category, right?)" and yet you still keep bringing up "jump shooting guards" for reasons no one knows why lol.

I figured that specific line should've been a clue that I obviously was talking about their Offense since that is what teams do. They COPY each other.

Hopefully this clears everything up better.

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You don't understand... nevermind Pack

Ill let you continue because we are not in the same coversation.


Anyway, like I said, I think teams in the west will be ready to load up and hopefully that's exactly what happens.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I understood completely actually...come on now lol

But you got it though.

In more related news, Lon Babby steps down as President of Basketball Operations for the Suns:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/10/lon-babby-stepping-down-as-president-of-basketball-operations-with-suns/

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Damn, have a couple of bad games in the Finals and that's a wrap for you huh? 23 basically in here murdering Barnes.

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Damn, have a couple of bad games in the Finals and that's a wrap for you huh? 23 basically in here murdering Barnes.

Ive never been high on Barnes but just in the talks of paying both him and Green over the next couple of years... this dude aint worth big money to ME.

No biggie

[TMagic]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Damn, have a couple of bad games in the Finals and that's a wrap for you huh? 23 basically in here murdering Barnes.

Barnes is a bust and GS should not pay him until he develops a jumpshot from the side.