2015 Offseason Thread

[wco81]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Really, let a 25-year old player go to give a max contract to a 30-year old player?

Would have thought DD would be a cornerstone player for Toronto.

[AC]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Might sound crazy,

Yeah, pretty much. There is no scenario in which TT is a more lucrative option than LMA.

Idk what point you're making by the "if the Raptors become bad" thing. Isn't that the whole point of signing LMA to a contract? So that he plays for you (thus, he can't bolt) and so that you'll be good?

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Visit other teams if you must LeMarcus....you know where you belong

[redsox4evur]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

They're prob just gonna use Raptors as leverage to get better contact from another team.

How does this work in Basketball? Because of the max contract. He is going to get that max. Which is 4 years 80+MM. He is getting that from every team he will be linked to if he signs with them. Most teams will give him a NTC and probably a 4th year player option.

[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Really, let a 25-year old player go to give a max contract to a 30-year old player?

Would have thought DD would be a cornerstone player for Toronto.

It won't be letting DeRozan walk,it'd be trading him to another team for other assets.

Though that scenario I wouldn't like as much either. Trade him and replace him with who? SF is already a weak position for Raptors. Trade DeRozan and then SF/SG become the weak positions...Not exactly the 2 positions I'd wanna be weak in at the same time.

Yeah, pretty much. There is no scenario in which TT is a more lucrative option than LMA.

Idk what point you're making by the "if the Raptors become bad" thing. Isn't that the whole point of signing LMA to a contract? So that he plays for you (thus, he can't bolt) and so that you'll be good?

Aldridge is the better player and all,but I meant it like, lets say you could get Thompson for 10 years + a key bench player for 3-4 years over just Aldridge for 4, would you consider that?

[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

How does this work in Basketball? Because of the max contract. He is going to get that max. Which is 4 years 80+MM. He is getting that from every team he will be linked to if he signs with them. Most teams will give him a NTC and probably a 4th year player option.

Didn't know there was a max in terms of years.

[AC]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Really, let a 25-year old player go to give a max contract to a 30-year old player?

Would have thought DD would be a cornerstone player for Toronto.

DD is not a cornerstone player.

It won't be letting DeRozan walk,it'd be trading him to another team for other assets.

Though that scenario I wouldn't like as much either. Trade him and replace him with who? SF is already a weak position for Raptors. Trade DeRozan and then SF/SG become the weak positions...Not exactly the 2 positions I'd wanna be weak in at the same time.

Aldridge is the better player and all,but I meant it like, lets say you could get Thompson for 10 years + a key bench player for 3-4 years over just Aldridge for 4, would you consider that?

1. SF isn't weak. James Johnson is a rotation player.

2. 10 years? Any contract Thompson signs right now beyond the current one is irrelevant.

3. If we sign LMA, it's likely that we'll be good. If we're good, it's unlikely LMA will leave.

4. I'm not interested in signing players based on nationality. You full well know that the only reason anyone wants TT in TO is because he's Canadian. Same with Corey Joseph, although he is a useful fit.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Jimmy can make things difficult though. And you can't deny that there isn't a possible rift between the two.

Question: If both Rose and Butler go into your office and say, 'It's either one of us, or none of us, because you can't have both,' who do you choose?

Not saying this would happen, I just want to see who people think is more important to the Bulls current and future success.

You just want people to agree with you and say Butler because if they say Rose than you're gonna accuse them of "stan'in" for Rose and riding his sack.

You ain't slick my dude.

[redsox4evur]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Didn't know there was a max in terms of years.

Yep there is as well as money. It's something like 4 years 80MM to sign with a new team and to resign with your old team it's something like 5 years 120MM.

[DIESEL]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

@ByTimReynolds: Luol Deng's agent Herb Rudoy says his client is staying with the Heat for the 2015-16 season. "He opted in 2 minutes ago," Rudoy said.

Damn. I like Lu but was hoping we would have more flexibility with him off the books. If Wade gets stubborn it will be tough to add anyone of value if they resign Wade and Dragic.

Probably will try and pick up the best shooter available with the mid level.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Jimmy can make things difficult though. And you can't deny that there isn't a possible rift between the two.

Question: If both Rose and Butler go into your office and say, 'It's either one of us, or none of us, because you can't have both,' who do you choose?

Not saying this would happen, I just want to see who people think is more important to the Bulls current and future success.

What are you talking about you can't deny a possible rift? Yeah, you can actually. Because there's been zero sign of any rift all season. There hasn't been a single whisper of one. We've had "sources" letting us know that management hates Thibs to the point of bugging facilities (allegedly) but not one word about tension between Rose and Butler until AFTER the last game of the season and there has suddenly been tension "in recent weeks" between the two based on Jimmy being the primary scorer as if he wasn't that all year already?

Bernstein is a hack man. He doesn't cover the team everyday, he sits on his stupid radio show on his ****ty station and writes for the Trib with these shock columns and goes for garbage pieces like the one he's hooked you on. I can't think of a single Bulls story he's ever broken in this city despite his "sources" you think he has. The only two reliable reporters with actual team sources that break Bulls stories in this city are KC Johnson and Nick Friedell. And I know for a fact that Friedell at the very least has said he's never seen any tension with them and he's with the team everyday. If you google this rift story the only news on it, is still Bernstein's original report and any mentions any other news outlets make with regards to it they link back to that story. Nothing new has been brought to the table. Just hack Dan grinding his D Rose axe as usual.

As for your question, obviously in that scenario you trade Rose and roll with Butler. You can't depend on Derrick's health over what Jimmy IS right now and for the future.


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[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

1. SF isn't weak. James Johnson is a rotation player.

2. 10 years? Any contract Thompson signs right now beyond the current one is irrelevant.

3. If we sign LMA, it's likely that we'll be good. If we're good, it's unlikely LMA will leave.

4. I'm not interested in signing players based on nationality. You full well know that the only reason anyone wants TT in TO is because he's Canadian. Same with Corey Joseph, although he is a useful fit.

1.So you think James Johnson would matchup well against most of the starting SFs in the league,both offensively and defensively?

2/4.The nationality reason is cause it means he's more likely to stay past the current contract. Not specifically Canadian thing,it's a Toronto/GTA thing. If he was from western canada then it'd be diff situation cause he'd have friends/family closer in other cities,and might have grown up watching a team out west like Blazers or something. Just like if a guy is from New York and grew up a Knicks fan,don't you think he'd be more tempted to sign with Knicks over Spurs for example? Doesn't mean he will,but just saying,it's a better chance.

3.But all the money spent on Aldridge,they won't be able to re-sign Lou or probably not even DeRozan next year either. Depth of the team takes a hit,they won't be a horrible team with him,but if Toronto teams have shown us anything,it's that anything is possible with them,they can be great one year and horrible the next.


Though I hope Raptors would be willing to spend more than luxury tax if needed. With the Leafs going into tank mode,MLSE won't have to spend as much on Leafs salaries,so if Raptors go over the luxury tax limit,MLSE I'm sure won't have a problem paying however much it is,if it means getting a 50+ win team who can do something in the playoffs. MLSE are already one of the richest owners in the NBA, surely they'd be ok with paying the tax if it means a real good team.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

We'll the Bulls play their cards with Butler....

Eric Pincus @EricPincus 29m29 minutes ago
The Chicago Bulls have given Jimmy Butler both a qualifying offer AND a max qualifying offer @BBallInsiders

Eric Pincus @EricPincus 28m28 minutes ago
If Jimmy Butler signs an offer sheet with another team, it must be for at least 3 years w/o options (can be a 4th w/option) @BBallInsiders

Eric Pincus @EricPincus 28m28 minutes ago
By virtue of max qualifying offer, Jimmy Butler - he'll have to turn down $90-ish mil for $4-ish million to be UFA next year @BBallInsiders

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Just like if a guy is from New York and grew up a Knicks fan,don't you think he'd be more tempted to sign with Knicks over Spurs for example? Doesn't mean he will,but just saying,it's a better chance.

The "hometown" factor doesn't carry as much weight as you think it does.

But in this case, it depends on what that specific player wants the most. But if all things are equal, he'll choose the Spurs real quick.

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Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Jimmy can make things difficult though. And you can't deny that there isn't a possible rift between the two.

Question: If both Rose and Butler go into your office and say, 'It's either one of us, or none of us, because you can't have both,' who do you choose?

Not saying this would happen, I just want to see who people think is more important to the Bulls current and future success.

Wait... I can't deny?


Ok then... I got it, look how Rose avoids Jimmy like he aint even there. Kobe would be proud.

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Lemme guess, that fictional 2 players in the office scenario is one of your daydreams right, and you're Garpax. I know you're thinking "how did he know what I was thinking"

So in other words, if you want Rose you don't care about the team or its future...

Got it!!!!

Matter of fact that's Jimmy right there on that NBA mic thing telling Derrick Rose

"there can only be one"


And we know who you'd pick

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