2015 Offseason Thread

[redsrule]

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Is Delly really worth retaining?

Well, duh. He is the second best perimeter defender in the NBA after all.

[JazzMan]

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So is Phoenix really going to give Brandon Knight a 5-year max and then trade Bledsoe?

[D13]

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Honestly I think David west played a huge role in the leadership of that team and his low post presence will be severely missed and without him coming back I think Paul George alone can at best pull them to an 8th seed by himself because I'm assuming they won't get any FA and that Roy Hibbert will still be a joke.

You're mislead, David West was a problem and was ready to bounce Indy. Larry was shipping him regardless after this past year. His "leadership" disappeared and was missing all this year. Yeah he was great in the pick and pop but his attitude grew old in the locker room.

I'm ready to see him and melo bump heads in practice. New York will be the perfect setting for his antics and temper. Good riddance DWest!!

[D13]

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I'll take West if he doesn't go crazy and expects big money or years.

He turned down a 12.6 mill player option, so i think he's gonna want some money.

[cima]

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So is Phoenix really going to give Brandon Knight a 5-year max and then trade Bledsoe?

I can't even...

[OSUFan_88]

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Is Delly really worth retaining?

For what little he'll likely make, absolutely.

But they'll likely be going after a backup guard/starting 2 guard to help run the offense when Kyrie and LeBron aren't in the game.

Like a Mo Williams or someone. They are in desperate need of bench scoring. If they can manage to get Williams and bring JR Smith off the bench next year, the bench scoring problem will be mostly solved between those two, Thompson and Varejao.

[Taer]

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I'm guessing he became a fan favorite after the finals.

I do not know why but Delly gives me the same oily creepy feeling Sasha Vujačić gave me while the latter was on the Lakers.

[JJJones135]

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You're mislead, David West was a problem and was ready to bounce Indy. Larry was shipping him regardless after this past year. His "leadership" disappeared and was missing all this year. Yeah he was great in the pick and pop but his attitude grew old in the locker room.

I'm ready to see him and melo bump heads in practice. New York will be the perfect setting for his antics and temper. Good riddance DWest!!

I think you're being a bit too harsh. The dude may be an attitude problem but at least he's a productive one on the court. I say Indiana lets him walk for the money he's gonna be asking but I promise you Indy is better with him then without him.

Ok so I understand everything about the cal but one thing really. If you have let's say the Grizzlies right now with all the contracts on the book have 25 mil in cap space. Let's say they pick up Wes Mathews in free agency for 18 mil against the cap. That leaves the cap with 7 mil left. Let's say they then resign Marc Gasol at the max for 21 million. Does that 21 million count against the cap or not? I understand you can go over to resign your own players but couldn't you just sign a big name free agent first and then resign your own guys to go over the cap?

[702]

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I just wanna outline this for everyone cause I feel like there's confusion...

Every player has a "cap hold" which is roughly equal to their last year's salary. This is in effect before they sign their new contract. You cannot "put off" signing a guy to create artificial cap space. You can't hold off on signing Marc Gasol, or Love, or LeMarcus Aldridge or anyone because if you use up the cap space designated for they cap hold you won't be able to sign the aforementioned player for anything more than what your remaining cap space allows.

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[CMH]

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They have Love's, Shump's, Smith's bird rights because they traded for them. And Thompson's because he's been there longer than 3 years. Unless I'm mistaken.


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Right but they don't have LeBron's.

Which is a problem because how much cap space do they have when you include cap holds on the above and LeBron's max salary?

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[bigfnjoe96]

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The Cavs would be crazy to sign every player they have whose a RFA or FA.

That repeater Tax is no joke, which I believe the Cavs would be in if they signed all their players.

Best case scenario is both Shumpert and Thompson play for their Qualifying offers, and hedge themselves for a BIG Pay Day next year when the CAP goes up

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[The 24th Letter]

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I'm so ready for July 1st....

[JJJones135]

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I just wanna outline this for everyone cause I feel like there's confusion...

Every player has a "cap hold" which is roughly equal to their last year's salary. This is in effect before they sign their new contract. You cannot "put off" signing a guy to create artificial cap space. You can't hold off on signing Marc Gasol, or Love, or LeMarcus Aldridge or anyone because if you use up the cap space designated for they cap hold you won't be able to sign the aforementioned player for anything more than what your remaining cap space allows.

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Your point on the cap hold is right but depending on the situation you can put off signing a guy to create "artificial space" if that's what you wanna call it. the Bucks did it with Michael redd back in 05 where his cap hold was 6 mil even tho everyone knew the bucks were gonna give him the max. They paid free agent Bobby Simmons first and then went a gave Redd his money. Had they signed Redd First his count against the cap would've made it impossible to get Simmons. This is a rare occasion though and couldn't happen with the guys you mentioned because their value is around 20 mil (max) and it's already counting against the cap. So when they sign the new deal it's in most circumstances = or close to their cap hold.

In cases like Redd's it's only going to happen when he's coming off a rookie contract and is expecting a big pay day. Imagine ( I know they don't but imagine) the Chicago bulls have 25 mil in cap room. They have Jimmy Butler who currently has a 4.5 mil cap hit. If they resign jimmy butler to a 21 mil a year contract. His new contract immediately becomes the cap hit to where they have only 4 mil in cap space. However if they waited and signed Lamarcus Aldridge first at 20 mil a year then the Bulls would have 5 mil in cap room, yet since they have Butler's bird rights they can then give him 21 mil a year. Once they do that his cap hit will still be 21 mil but they're allowed to go over since they have his bird rights.

While this looks like a major loophole, it has to be the perfect situation. its technically not artificial space because it all still counts against you. It's just one situation allows you to go more into the cap then others.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Your point on the cap hold is right but depending on the situation you can put off signing a guy to create "artificial space" if that's what you wanna call it. the Bucks did it with Michael redd back in 05 where his cap hold was 6 mil even tho everyone knew the bucks were gonna give him the max. They paid free agent Bobby Simmons first and then went a gave Redd his money. Had they signed Redd First his count against the cap would've made it impossible to get Simmons. This is a rare occasion though and couldn't happen with the guys you mentioned because their value is around 20 mil (max) and it's already counting against the cap. So when they sign the new deal it's in most circumstances = or close to their cap hold.



In cases like Redd's it's only going to happen when he's coming off a rookie contract and is expecting a big pay day. Imagine ( I know they don't but imagine) the Chicago bulls have 25 mil in cap room. They have Jimmy Butler who currently has a 4.5 mil cap hit. If they resign jimmy butler to a 21 mil a year contract. His new contract immediately becomes the cap hit to where they have only 4 mil in cap space. However if they waited and signed Lamarcus Aldridge first at 20 mil a year then the Bulls would have 5 mil in cap room, yet since they have Butler's bird rights they can then give him 21 mil a year. Once they do that his cap hit will still be 21 mil but they're allowed to go over since they have his bird rights.



While this looks like a major loophole, it has to be the perfect situation. its technically not artificial space because it all still counts against you. It's just one situation allows you to go more into the cap then others.

Yeah, a couple examples of this this year is the Spurs and Bucks. Leonard has around a $7 mil cap hold I believe, so I think the plan is to sign Duncan and Ginobili quickly to lower their cap hits, and then they could potentially create enough room for Splitter through a couple other moves, and then they'd sign Leonard.

And for the Bucks, Middleton has a cap hold of like $1 mil, so that gives them a lot of cap room to use before re-signing him.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Bropez News per NetsDaily:

Despite all the sturm and drang of a season that saw Brook Lopez come off the bench at times and seemingly be ignored in the fourth quarter at others, Brook Lopez appears likely to return to the Nets, Fred Kerber reports in the Post. The same appears to be true for Thaddeus Young.
Picking up on Adrian Wojnarowski's report last week, Kerber quotes an NBA executive not with the Nets as saying it was always likely.


"That was the word around the league for the longest time, that he wasn’t leaving," said an opposing executive. "They want him back and frankly, I don’t see how they could lose him."
Like Woj, Kerber reports the deal for Lopez is around $60 million over three years -- along with "some protections in the deal against any recurrence of the foot issues that plagued Lopez in the past" Similarly, like Woj, Kerber's number for Young is around $48 million over four. At the end of their contracts, the two will be 30 and 31 years old.
Why would Lopez return when the Nets have tried to trade him at virtually every deadline since he's been a Net? "Lopez craves stability and hates change," writes Kerber.

My man's been conditioned to losing all the time, he can't fathom leaving it alone.