2015 Offseason Thread

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Maybe I'm wrong but...I think the Knicks are going to take Justise Winslow and try to fit him in as a SG in the NBA. At least, that's what I'd do if I were them, provided the two big guys are gone. PG is pretty replaceable in the triangle and none of the other bigs should get drafted that high. WCS just doesn't fit a Triangle player, either.

[Vni]

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Absolute pipe dream offseason move for us I'd love to see. Somehow prying Harrison Barnes away from the Warriors.

Something like Noah and Snell or Noah and re-upped Dunleavy for Lee and Barnes.

Or Taj for Barnes and a pick or something like that. GS would never go for either of those, but a man can dream.

Really king ? Acquiring barnes would be the pipe dream offseason ?

[King_B_Mack]

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Really king ? Acquiring barnes would be the pipe dream offseason ?

Bro we're right up against the luxury tax wall after we re-sign Butler. If we re-sign Dunleavy that puts us over the luxury tax threshold and takes away some of the other exceptions we can use to make moves. We need a solid wing player that can knock down some shots in a tight spot. Barnes can be just that for us, since this team is going to likely be largely the same next year, gotta look forward to moves like that.


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[Hassan Darkside]

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Have y'all thrown in the towel on McDermott already?

[King_B_Mack]

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Have y'all thrown in the towel on McDermott already?

Not necessarily, but I don't think he's anywhere near ready to replace Dunleavy. Besides as we've seen with Miami, Golden State and now Cleveland, you can never have too many guys that can shoot. Plus for me, Barnes would be a better option on defense. Throw him at LeBron on occasion to give Jimmy a break.


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[wwharton]

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Bro we're right up against the luxury tax wall after we re-sign Butler. If we re-sign Dunleavy that puts us over the luxury tax threshold and takes away some of the other exceptions we can use to make moves. We need a solid wing player that can knock down some shots in a tight spot. Barnes can be just that for us, since this team is going to likely be largely the same next year, gotta look forward to moves like that.


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If the Bulls resign Butler and Dunleavy then why do they need the wing player you're describing?

[Vni]

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I'am guessing to put Dunleavy on the bench.

[JODYE]

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Throw in the fact that Barnes is only 22 years old. Butler and Barnes could be a scary defensive combo for a long time. Don't know how you couldn't get excited about that. He's also not a guy that needs the ball in his hand to be successful, but can do so if needed.

Dunleavy isn't a starting 3 on a team seriously trying to win a championship.

[wwharton]

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Throw in the fact that Barnes is only 22 years old. Butler and Barnes could be a scary defensive combo for a long time. Don't know how you couldn't get excited about that. He's also not a guy that needs the ball in his hand to be successful, but can do so if needed.

Dunleavy isn't a starting 3 on a team seriously trying to win a championship.

I'd prefer Butler at the 3 personally... with a rotation of Dunleavy and Mirotic. That still leaves a hole at the 2 but I think that's easier to fill with a pure shooter who's rotating with Butler.

Nothing against Barnes though. If they can get him for a reasonable price, it's not a bad look.

[JODYE]

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See that is where we differ somewhat. I personally think Barnes is better at the 3 if paired with Butler.

The question isn't is either one strong enough to guard there, because we know the answer to that, but I think with Barnes' wingspan and the fact that Butler is probably a step or two quicker, makes me feel like Butler is better served guarding 2s.

But really that can always fluctuate depending on match ups.

Just my feeling. And really this depends on what they do with Noah and Rose and how the rest of the roster shakes out. Because there could be times where you run Butler at the point, Barnes at the 2 and Niko at the 3 which would do wonders for our floor spacing and would open up lanes for Barnes to work off the ball and cut to the rim which is what he is doing when he is at his best.

All I'm saying here, is that it would be a great problem to have. The rest would work itself out.

[ojandpizza]

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See I kinda agree with wwharton, and I think Jimmy is much better defensively when he's not defending guards who are quicker than him.. I think a guy like Wes Mathews is the ideal fit for Chicago, and let's Jimmy play more at the 3..

Barnes still wouldn't be a bad fit, but I see him as more of a SF/PF role off the bench like Mirotoc had this year.. I'm not too thrilled with he and Butler starting at SG/SF. With Rose and Jimmy starting Barnes becomes more of a spot up guy.. Which he can do but isn't his biggest strength.. And defensively he's stuck guarding guys quicker than him which also wouldn't be his strength, especially when Jimmy is on guys like LeBron and Barnes if left to defend guards.. Though it's still better than Dunleavy.

Barnes is heading to Cleveland anyways.. Love will want out and they will negotiate a sign and trade where Cleveland lands Barnes and Iggy or something. Lol


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[ehh]

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But I still really want to see Okafor in Minny. Wiggins surprised me this season as a rookie, and I really think he can quickly develop into a Paul George like game.. I might be a little higher on Okafor than some but I think that's a legitimate chance to have a 20+ ppg perimeter scorer and a 20+ ppg low post scorer.

I'm not sold on Towns being a great defender, and as a power forward his strengths defensively in college aren't going to transition as well to the pros since he would be defending players away from the basket.. Unless somebody saw something in him that makes you believe he's the next Serge Ibaka, I don't see a reason to draft him based on defensive strengths.

If Minnesota keeps Pekovic, which I couldn't justify but it's Minnesota after all, then Towns is the better pick. But if they are moving away from that and building with their youth, I love Okafor going there.

I'm almost positive Towns will be playing center at the next level. He's a legit 7'0 250. I guess Ibaka isn't the worst comparison out there for him though and he could play a big PF.

I just mentioned this in the Prospects thread but I think Towns' PnR defense potential excites teams as much as his rim protection, if not more. He has great lateral quickness for a 7-footer and he plays hard as hell.

[JODYE]

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See I kinda agree with wwharton, and I think Jimmy is much better defensively when he's not defending guards who are quicker than him.. I think a guy like Wes Mathews is the ideal fit for Chicago, and let's Jimmy play more at the 3..

Barnes still wouldn't be a bad fit, but I see him as more of a SF/PF role off the bench like Mirotoc had this year.. I'm not too thrilled with he and Butler starting at SG/SF. With Rose and Jimmy starting Barnes becomes more of a spot up guy.. Which he can do but isn't his biggest strength.. And defensively he's stuck guarding guys quicker than him which also wouldn't be his strength, especially when Jimmy is on guys like LeBron and Barnes if left to defend guards.. Though it's still better than Dunleavy.

Barnes is heading to Cleveland anyways.. Love will want out and they will negotiate a sign and trade where Cleveland lands Barnes and Iggy or something. Lol


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Which is what this discussion is based upon. Would you rather have Barnes guarding 3's or Dunleavy? That should be a pretty easy question to answer lol

When you are talking about guys who are quicker than Barnes at the 3, that is a very select few individuals. Same with Butler at the 2. And of those guys how many are that skilled to beat Jimmy or Harrison off the dribble one on one consistently? That list gets even smaller.

[wwharton]

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See that is where we differ somewhat. I personally think Barnes is better at the 3 if paired with Butler.

The question isn't is either one strong enough to guard there, because we know the answer to that, but I think with Barnes' wingspan and the fact that Butler is probably a step or two quicker, makes me feel like Butler is better served guarding 2s.

But really that can always fluctuate depending on match ups.

Just my feeling. And really this depends on what they do with Noah and Rose and how the rest of the roster shakes out. Because there could be times where you run Butler at the point, Barnes at the 2 and Niko at the 3 which would do wonders for our floor spacing and would open up lanes for Barnes to work off the ball and cut to the rim which is what he is doing when he is at his best.

All I'm saying here, is that it would be a great problem to have. The rest would work itself out.

We don't really disagree, Barnes > Dunleavy at the 3. My question came with the idea of resigning Dunleavy. In that case I think any kind of money should be used to find a better 2. Butler can play the 2, Barnes would be a fine addition... I just think, with Dunleavy still in the mix, the Bulls roster would be better served finding a starting 2 with Butler starting at the 3, and rotating Dunleavy and Mirotic in at the 3 (and 4 for Mirotic) while Butler rotates to the 2 at times.

Which is what this discussion is based upon. Would you rather have Barnes guarding 3's or Dunleavy? That should be a pretty easy question to answer lol

When you are talking about guys who are quicker than Barnes at the 3, that is a very select few individuals. Same with Butler at the 2. And of those guys how many are that skilled to beat Jimmy or Harrison off the dribble one on one consistently? That list gets even smaller.

It wasn't an either/or for me. If Dunleavy is going, bringing in Barnes is a great idea. I still think they need another SG but it'd be fine. But having Butler, Barnes, Dunleavy, Mirotic and McDermott all as really natural SFs without a real SG on the team worth mentioning doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Honestly the Bulls need another guy who can create his own shot and score