2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Dirk Nowitzki and Chandler Parsons will opt out out of their contracts and become FAs, although Dirk isn't expected to leave Dallas, per ProBasketballTalk

[Vni]

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I wonder if the Clippers are doing anything drastic this summer. Are they gonna come back with the same team and get ****ed again in the 1st round ?

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I wonder if the Clippers are doing anything drastic this summer. Are they gonna come back with the same team and get ****ed again in the 1st round ?

Doc said he at least aint trading his core. They don't have any 1st round picks... other than more cap there is nothing they can do... gonna get rocked next year too.

[z Revis]

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Indiana Pacers President Larry Bird said Monday he hasn’t decided whether to bring back coach Frank Vogel for a seventh season, telling IndyStar: “It’s no secret — I want us to score more points.”

What Bird has to decide, he said, is the best way to achieve more offense in a league headed in that direction: Change the roster, change the coach or change both.

“I don’t know what’s going to happen,” Bird said.

He doesn’t know when, either. Bird said he will make the decision after meeting by conference call with Pacers owner Herb Simon, but he said no call has been arranged.

“He’s busy, so it could be a week or it could be tomorrow,” Bird said early Monday evening. “What I don’t want to do is leave Frank hanging — there’s other jobs out there he could get.”

Vogel has been suggested as a good fit for the Knicks, media reports have said. He could stay in Indiana, Bird said, although Bird makes it clear: The Pacers didn’t score enough points. Not to make a dent where it matters, in the playoffs.

“I thought we were going to win that game last night,” he said of the No. 7-seeded Pacers’ 89-84 Game 7 loss to the second-seeded Toronto Raptors. “If you’d told me we’d score 84 points … You can’t go very far in the playoffs if you don’t score. When I tell people this, it’s not because I think I know it all — it’s because I experienced it as a player.”

Vogel earned his bones as a defensive-minded coach, teaming with assistant Dan Burke to make the Pacers especially stingy on that side of the court. Vogel has said he is comfortable coaching the faster style Bird prefers.

As for Bird, he said he doesn’t blame the Pacers’ point total in Game 7 on Vogel.

“Hey, that’s on the guys,” Bird said. “They’ve got to make plays. George Hill (19 points) played well, Monta Ellis scored (15) points, Paul George (26 points) did what he does. But who’s that other guy?”

Bird was asked: As team president, it’s your job to provide “that other guy,” right?

And Bird said: “We need to score more points. If Frank comes back, what can we do to get better offense? It’s on all of us.

“Frank’s a great guy. He’s going to be fine no matter what happens. If he’s back, he’ll be fine here. If he’s not, he’s not. We’ll see.”

I think Bird is starting to lose it. He is apparently the only person who doesn't realize this was a rebuilding year for the Pacers. He is also the only person who is disappointed in 45 wins and pushing the 2nd seed to 7 games in a rebuilding year. Even PG after the game Sunday said this was a good year for Indy.

Vogel has his issues like all coaches do, but if Birds problem is not scoring enough I'm not sure how you blame Vogel for that. Look at the roster and tell me who is going to score consistently. Vogel is just working with what Bird gave him which is basically a roster full of ball dominant guards who can't shoot well and career backups/rookies in the front court.

[Vni]

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Gotta score more points though.

[ojandpizza]

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Idk.. I kinda agree with Bird here. Not that Frank needs to go, because I think he's a great coach, but some type of change needs to be made. Whether it's new assistants, a new philosophy, something.

They had the pieces to be a better scoring unit than what they were. Even if it was a "rebuilding" season for them. They added back George and Ellis and still only upper their scoring by 5 ppg.

With that said they were 12th in the league in scoring, which isn't bad. But they need a better offensive scheme when these playoff games slow down. That was an issue even back when they were 1st in the East.

Frank is great, and Bird knows that or he would have already fired him, but they do need some type of offensive boost or a restructured game plan.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Get him better reliable talent then, Bird.

Because outside of George, who else can they rely on to pick up some of the slack when PG is having an off night? Don't say Monta because we all know the story on him at this point.

They made enough gains considering they were one of the slower paced teams in the league last year(which to be fair to them, they were missing PG for most of the season so that will play a factor)to be one of the faster paced teams in the league this year, but if they want to stay their, they need to find another reliable playmaker, which is easier said than done.

[ojandpizza]

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They obviously aren't a Cleveland level team in the East.. But as far as consistent scoring goes they have as much firepower as teams like Atlanta, Miami (with Bosh out), Toronto, etc.

PG is at a level above anyone on those teams scoring wise, and Ellis, Stucky, Hill, are just as consistent as most of those squads 2-4 are. They can all make plays as well.

I don't think a void of talent was that big of an issue, scoring wise at least. And I think Bird realizes that as well. Frank never really found a good way to work Monta in to his system. He played really well for Dallas and now had the worst season of his career since his rookie year.. I don't believe he just magically dropped off that much over 1 offseason. He's a better shooter, ball handler, and passer than Lance was yet didn't even have the impact Lance did. Something isn't working out right there.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I said reliable, nothing about consistent. And no, Stuckey, Ellis or Hill are not that.

And yes, there is a difference.

[z Revis]

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Idk.. I kinda agree with Bird here. Not that Frank needs to go, because I think he's a great coach, but some type of change needs to be made. Whether it's new assistants, a new philosophy, something.

They had the pieces to be a better scoring unit than what they were. Even if it was a "rebuilding" season for them. They added back George and Ellis and still only upper their scoring by 5 ppg.

With that said they were 12th in the league in scoring, which isn't bad. But they need a better offensive scheme when these playoff games slow down. That was an issue even back when they were 1st in the East.

Frank is great, and Bird knows that or he would have already fired him, but they do need some type of offensive boost or a restructured game plan.


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I guess man, but even back when we were 1st in the East I'm not sure how much offense you're expecting with that lineup especially since we had no bench for a large part of it.

In the end like you said, our offense wasn't that bad this year. Isn't it about on par with what you'd expect with the players we have or at least close to it? If you want more, it's not on Frank IMO.

Frank never really found a good way to work Monta in to his system. He played really well for Dallas and now had the worst season of his career since his rookie year.. I don't believe he just magically dropped off that much over 1 offseason. He's a better shooter, ball handler, and passer than Lance was yet didn't even have the impact Lance did. Something isn't working out right there.

Maybe true. I'm not sure what the problem was there. I hate on him a lot, but he was better for Dallas last year for whatever reason. I know he had a lingering knee issue earlier in the year, but other than that I don't know.

Either way I felt we had a solid year given the amount of change over with the roster. 7 new players, 3 of them starters. It's not going to happen overnight especially since we didn't even start the year playing with the lineup we use now. If Bird wants instant offense then give Kevin Durant a call because firing Frank would be a mistake and even if another coach could give us better offensive production our defense would likely take a much worse hit than what we'd gain offensively. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in an offensive assistant though.

[ojandpizza]

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I said reliable, nothing about consistent. And no, Stuckey, Ellis or Hill are not that.

And yes, there is a difference.

Well Monta was able to give Dallas nearly 20 a night the two years he was there, and Hill 16 a game last year without PG. Thats just as good as most East teams 2nd and 3rd guys.

They just need an offensive structure that allows them all to be effective together.


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[ojandpizza]

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I guess man, but even back when we were 1st in the East I'm not sure how much offense you're expecting with that lineup especially since we had no bench for a large part of it.

In the end like you said, our offense wasn't that bad this year. Isn't it about on par with what you'd expect with the players we have or at least close to it? If you want more, it's not on Frank IMO.



Maybe true. I'm not sure what the problem was there. I hate on him a lot, but he was better for Dallas last year for whatever reason. I know he had a lingering knee issue earlier in the year, but other than that I don't know.

Either way I felt we had a solid year given the amount of change over with the roster. 7 new players, 3 of them starters. It's not going to happen overnight especially since we didn't even start the year playing with the lineup we use now. If Bird wants instant offense then give Kevin Durant a call because firing Frank would be a mistake and even if another coach could give us better offensive production our defense would likely take a much worse hit than what we'd gain offensively. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in an offensive assistant though.

Wasn't that bad, just ugly in the playoffs when they don't get all the easy transition looks.

I think an offensive assistant and Frank being open to some knew offensive ideas would be the way to go. I can't imagine firing a coach as good as him, especially with no real offensive minded guys available anyways.

Something needs to be shaken up though. Even if it's just strengthening the rotation during the offseason.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Well Monta was able to give Dallas nearly 20 a night the two years he was there, and Hill 16 a game last year without PG. Thats just as good as most East teams 2nd and 3rd guys.

They just need an offensive structure that allows them all to be effective together.


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Rick Carlisle is also one of the best Offensive minded Coaches in the NBA(which says a lot considering he was always known for his Defense). And if you watched Dallas this year, there really wasn't much drop off from them.

[ojandpizza]

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Rick Carlisle is also one of the best Offensive minded Coaches in the NBA(which says a lot considering he was always known for his Defense). And if you watched Dallas this year, there really wasn't much drop off from them.

Well yeah but I think that's kinda of Bird's point. He wants someone who can get that type of offensive out of these guys like Carlisle can. Which I think isn't realistic, but keeping Frank and making some adjustments could be feasible.


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[ojandpizza]

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I'm sure Bird sees someone like Carlisle getting playoff production out of guys like Felton this year while Vogel struggles to get anything out of Monta and Lawson and he wonders if another direction might be better for them.

With one of their better players being a rookie, and PG being so young, they have time and flexibility to figure out what works.


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