2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[jfsolo]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Yeah, I figured that Indiana fans would be shaking their heads.

[CMH]

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Here we go with the recycling of failed coaches.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Here we go with the recycling of failed coaches.

You saying teams shouldn't hire retreads at all?

[Themayorofawsometown]

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Not when they sucked

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[z Revis]

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Meh I'm not even mad at them hiring a "retread." You could do worse in that department too. McMillan has only lost 1 job and that situation in Portland wasn't the best with all their injuries. They didn't do any better without McMillan until Lillard came along.

My thing is he doesn't seem to fit what Bird wants. His Portland teams ran one of the slowest offenses in the league. It also seems like a cop out hire. Seems to me he didn't have any plan when he fired Vogel and did so just to do it, but let me save face and do the easy thing and promote the next guy in line within the organization. Either that or maybe McMillan will be a puppet coach and do whatever Bird wants which is playing small and putting Paul George at the 4. Equally as stupid as any decision Bird has made lately. I don't know why you'd take your best perimeter defender and put them at the 4. But hey, I'm not a GM or coach so what do I know.

[SPTO]

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Not when they sucked

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Actually McMillan didn't suck that much. It's true he had mixed results but when he was doing well he was highly regarded. I believe he was coaching in Portland at the height of the whole "Jailblazers" era too which can't be good for any head coach.

As Z Revis said, you could do worse but he also makes the valid point that McMillan definitely doesn't fit what Bird seems to want and if we're going by his whole "voice in the room" comment it's a bit incredulous that he'd bring in someone who's been there for 2 years already.

So yeah, criticizing the hire makes sense but saying that the guy "sucked" is a little much.

[CMH]

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You saying teams shouldn't hire retreads at all?

Not unsuccessful ones over multiple years or two plus jobs.

He's not a complete failure but he was out of jobs for a reason.

I think teams need to think outside the box and find a coach with potential to change them.

New coaches or assistants needs more shots. This is like someone giving Mike Woodson a job again or hiring Mike D'Antoni. Or to get away from the guys that have coached the Knicks, giving Byron Scott a job again or even Kevin McHale.

Let these guys rot. They couldn't hack it. Stop giving them head coaching spots.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I agree about giving Assistant Coaches a chance. I've vouched for them plenty of times here.

But I also wouldn't necessarily group all retreads in the same "Avoid/Don't Waste Your Time" bag. Yeah, if you're a retread it basically means you were unsuccessful in your last job, but we also know that guys are let go for multitude of different reasons.

Basically what I'm saying is don't let guys like Byron Scott or even Vinny Del Negro scare you into believing that ALL retreads are bad.

[CMH]

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I agree about giving Assistant Coaches a chance. I've vouched for them plenty of times here.

But I also wouldn't necessarily group all retreads in the same "Avoid/Don't Waste Your Time" bag. Yeah, if you're a retread it basically means you were unsuccessful in your last job, but we also know that guys are let go for multitude of different reasons.

Basically what I'm saying is don't let guys like Byron Scott or even Vinny Del Negro scare you into believing that ALL retreads are bad.

But I think McMillan is bad. I guess that's where we don't see eye to eye on this.

I agree with you on not all retreads being bad. I never thought Carlisle was a bad coach. He did magic in Detroit and Indiana did him dirty. Not his fault.

Nate, eh. Never thought he did anything special. Don't see the potential in his coaching. I don't mind him proving me wrong.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I was speaking in general and not about McMillan because your original post sounded as if you were saying all retreads are bad and shouldn't be hired.

I'm not sure why Portland let him go until I read this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/03/nate_mcmillan_fired_after_the_trail_blazers_once_p.html

[CMH]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I was speaking in general and not about McMillan because your original post sounded as if you were saying all retreads are bad and shouldn't be hired.

I'm not sure why Portland let him go until I read this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/in...rs_once_p.html

I said failed coaches. It's all good.

[CMH]

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I was speaking in general and not about McMillan because your original post sounded as if you were saying all retreads are bad and shouldn't be hired.

I'm not sure why Portland let him go until I read this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/in...rs_once_p.html

Regarding the article, that's how I remember him, a coach that didn't adjust and refused to.

I don't think those coaches ever win and McMillan can have as many 45 win seasons as he wants. The way his team's played in the playoffs is evidence enough that he can't push a team to the next level.

The Pacers will be stuck in the mud. But it'll be three years before Bird makes a change. Good luck Indiana fans.

[wco81]

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Speaking of retreads, any reason to think Caliapari would do better in a second stint?

Would he deserve the $11 million a year or whatever he's asking for?

Sure he could make a lot of money at UK and get the top recruiting classes every year. But nobody is going to mistake him for leading the best players against the best competition.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I see no reason for him to leave UK. He's great at what he currently does and is getting paid very well for it and pretty much a King there. He runs that program.

I certainly wouldn't give that up despite the "urge" to coach the best talent in the World.

[z Revis]

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Regarding the article, that's how I remember him, a coach that didn't adjust and refused to.

I don't think those coaches ever win and McMillan can have as many 45 win seasons as he wants. The way his team's played in the playoffs is evidence enough that he can't push a team to the next level.

The Pacers will be stuck in the mud. But it'll be three years before Bird makes a change. Good luck Indiana fans.

I'm going to give the guy time to show me what he can do. That's probably the only thing that can keep me sane until next season lol. But maybe he has learned something since his firing and taking a step back and coaching under someone else's reign is what he needed. Maybe he has an idea of what to do with this roster that Vogel didn't. I don't know. Bird hired him for a reason(though that's not really saying anything he also hired Jim O'Brien).

Regardless I'd hope Bird doesn't give him a 3 year leash. If it doesn't work we have to move on right away. There's only 2 directions this franchise can go in the next 2 seasons. Either we win and get back to contention or Paul George leaves in 2018 and then we're really stuck in the mud.