Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Why would Kobe want to win championships with Shaq every year if nobody wants to give him credit for it? I mean Devean George has three titles but I doubt that will ever put him above anyone else and her wont get credit for them. So why would Kobe want to win title after title with Shaq(maybe, considering they have lost the last two and Shaq may be able to carry a team for maybe 2-3 years) if he gewts no more credit for it than Devean George?

Now a fair comparison, but just get the jipse of what Im saying. It makes sense to me.

I never even thought about this. I can see what you are saying.

Basically Kobe is damned either way, whatever he does is the wrong decision.

Kobe goes for 40+ for the win, he's a ball hogg.
Kobe shoots less, he is not agressive/big ego/etc.
Kobe plays the all around game, he's a stats whore.

But this has to be the biggest of them all. On one hand, when Kobe DOES win championships with Shaq, people come out and say he is a second fiddle, coattail rider of Shaq, he wasn't the man, and they just discredit the hell out of him.

Why do players win championships? To get that "feeling?" Yes. To get that sense of accomplishment? Yes. But every sports athlete, every human being wants to be the best and wants to win championships to be recognized and credited for. I don't care what you say, but everyone wants to earn the credit of winning it all.

So Kobe figures, he's won back-to-back-to-back championships, yet people still doubt him, still discredit his game because of Shaq. People actually come out and say, "he should lead a team of his own, no Shaq, if he wants to be considered an elite player." So Kobe now has found himself on a new team. The result?

"The bitch broke up a dynasty."
"The loser his a glory hog and wants to win by himself only."
"He's a self-centered *****"

Now do you see the irony in this?

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Why would Kobe want to win championships with Shaq every year if nobody wants to give him credit for it? I mean Devean George has three titles but I doubt that will ever put him above anyone else and her wont get credit for them. So why would Kobe want to win title after title with Shaq(maybe, considering they have lost the last two and Shaq may be able to carry a team for maybe 2-3 years) if he gewts no more credit for it than Devean George?

Now a fair comparison, but just get the jipse of what Im saying. It makes sense to me.

I never even thought about this. I can see what you are saying.

Basically Kobe is damned either way, whatever he does is the wrong decision.

Kobe goes for 40+ for the win, he's a ball hogg.
Kobe shoots less, he is not agressive/big ego/etc.
Kobe plays the all around game, he's a stats whore.

But this has to be the biggest of them all. On one hand, when Kobe DOES win championships with Shaq, people come out and say he is a second fiddle, coattail rider of Shaq, he wasn't the man, and they just discredit the hell out of him.

Why do players win championships? To get that "feeling?" Yes. To get that sense of accomplishment? Yes. But every sports athlete, every human being wants to be the best and wants to win championships to be recognized and credited for. I don't care what you say, but everyone wants to earn the credit of winning it all.

So Kobe figures, he's won back-to-back-to-back championships, yet people still doubt him, still discredit his game because of Shaq. People actually come out and say, "he should lead a team of his own, no Shaq, if he wants to be considered an elite player." So Kobe now has found himself on a new team. The result?

"The bitch broke up a dynasty."
"The loser his a glory hog and wants to win by himself only."
"He's a self-centered *****"

Now do you see the irony in this?

[marshall750]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I never even thought about this. I can see what you are saying.

Basically Kobe is damned either way, whatever he does is the wrong decision.

Kobe goes for 40+ for the win, he's a ball hogg.
Kobe shoots less, he is not agressive/big ego/etc.
Kobe plays the all around game, he's a stats whore.

But this has to be the biggest of them all. On one hand, when Kobe DOES win championships with Shaq, people come out and say he is a second fiddle, coattail rider of Shaq, he wasn't the man, and they just discredit the hell out of him.

Why do players win championships? To get that "feeling?" Yes. To get that sense of accomplishment? Yes. But every sports athlete, every human being wants to be the best and wants to win championships to be recognized and credited for. I don't care what you say, but everyone wants to earn the credit of winning it all.

So Kobe figures, he's won back-to-back-to-back championships, yet people still doubt him, still discredit his game because of Shaq. People actually come out and say, "he should lead a team of his own, no Shaq, if he wants to be considered an elite player." So Kobe now has found himself on a new team. The result?

"The bitch broke up a dynasty."
"The loser his a glory hog and wants to win by himself only."
"He's a self-centered *****"

Now do you see the irony in this?

Well said. I'm sure the Kobe Haters will have some sort of backwards answer for this too though.....

[marshall750]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I never even thought about this. I can see what you are saying.

Basically Kobe is damned either way, whatever he does is the wrong decision.

Kobe goes for 40+ for the win, he's a ball hogg.
Kobe shoots less, he is not agressive/big ego/etc.
Kobe plays the all around game, he's a stats whore.

But this has to be the biggest of them all. On one hand, when Kobe DOES win championships with Shaq, people come out and say he is a second fiddle, coattail rider of Shaq, he wasn't the man, and they just discredit the hell out of him.

Why do players win championships? To get that "feeling?" Yes. To get that sense of accomplishment? Yes. But every sports athlete, every human being wants to be the best and wants to win championships to be recognized and credited for. I don't care what you say, but everyone wants to earn the credit of winning it all.

So Kobe figures, he's won back-to-back-to-back championships, yet people still doubt him, still discredit his game because of Shaq. People actually come out and say, "he should lead a team of his own, no Shaq, if he wants to be considered an elite player." So Kobe now has found himself on a new team. The result?

"The bitch broke up a dynasty."
"The loser his a glory hog and wants to win by himself only."
"He's a self-centered *****"

Now do you see the irony in this?

Well said. I'm sure the Kobe Haters will have some sort of backwards answer for this too though.....

[MDKKRB]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Shaq made it to the Finals without Kobe, can Kobe claim that about himself?????

[MDKKRB]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Shaq made it to the Finals without Kobe, can Kobe claim that about himself?????

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

[QUOTE=HMcCoy]HUH?
I didn't SAY he was "well liked by all", I said he is DESPISED by all...so I think we're in agreement here...Yeah he's a punk. See..I can say that. I HAVE said that. Problem is that I've seen him SH!T on teams, and dominate too...but I have never once heard you, or people like you, come in here and give him any props besides the pitiful.."I'm not saying he isn't a good player" BS rhetoric people like to start their anti-Kobe rants with...Thats so transparent.

I was making a general statement because you came in with the ***** comment. Sure he has his haters, but at the same time realize he has rubbed many people the wrong way, coaches players teammates fans all alike.
You've seen him work teams and yes I've said pleanty of times that he's a great player as I have in this thread, but never do you hear me trying to discredit what he did. Classic example, when he hit those 9 3's I saw plenty come in saying things like they left him wide open, and they werent really guarding him.

Now that is terrible and I didnt agree with it nor did I join in. I remember Mac hitting 8 straight 3's and you come in solely against an entire thread of posters saying he should have passed the ball to Juwan Howard more. BTW man, people like me? You dont hear me in here saying trash like oh he made those shots because they didnt guard him, or he blocked Ray Allens shot but it was a foul. C'mon man.


Dammit, Be a BASKETBALL FAN for once...not a personality fan. Damn his personality. Come in here with "DAMN DID YOU SEE KOBE DO (insert highlight) LAST NIGHT...THAT WAS TIGHT...He's a BEAST" every once in a while if you want to be taken seriously...Because contrary to YOUR belief, there have been Kobe moments that deserve that kind of praise.

I see, so you want us to "praise" him more? If not then we arent bball fans. Got it. What is my belief BTW?


The hipocrisy is that there was no anger when T-Mac left the up and coming Raptors to be a #1 option(selfish?)
How is saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" but then staying, worse than saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" and LEAVING? WTF? How in the hell did he NOT hurt VC by splitting? He busted up the nastiest 1-2 perimeter punch since you-know-who and you-know-who-else.

That makes zero sense, bro.

First of all by #8 saying he was testing the market was so Buss could get rid of Shaq for him. Second I fail to see what league rule Mac broke. I fail to see a man Darryl Walker told he'd be out of the L in 3 years make VC less of a player. We all know why Vince's cred went down, and it wasnt his cousin, but if you want to blame #1 for his descension then okay.
The nastiest 1-2 has been in LA if you missed it they won 3 rings.

No one was angry when MJ ran every single Chicago Bull player AND coach out of town for about...oh 3 years or so(selfish?),
How many of those players or coaches were there from his first 3-4 years? 2? 3? I'm not talking about 28 year old, championship-maturity level MJ, I'm talking the "fresh-into-the-league-take-every-shot-I-want-'cause-I'm-just-that-nasty-but-we-still-suck-so-these-chumps-ALL-gotta'-go" MJ. Every player he played with in the first few seasons was eventually shown the door. Granted, none of those guys were at Shaq's level, but don't get it twisted...MJ ruled Chicago with the same iron fist Kobe wants in LA...

LOL man here we go again. So you would have kept the old Bulls players in Chicago? Just asking because it seems to me making the team a dynasty and winning 2 3peats was the right thing to do.

See Chicago sucked at first, and MJ was the best player on the team. LA didnt suck and Kobe wasnt the best on the team, and he got the best traded and the coach sent out. See MJ earned his respect. Kobe is ruling Kupcake already with a bunch of yes men for teammates right at the moment. So if this generic iron fist you talk about is it then enjoy

No one was angry when Shaq came to EVERY camp fat as fark and out of shape, talkin' about feed the big dog or he won't play no D (selfish?...or just hungry?). Give me a break. Everybody gets a pass but the one MF who consistently played at a "best-in-the-league" level when it mattered.
Translation....Character only matters when it fits an anti-Kobe argument. Gotcha'.

I'm not a fan of Shaq either.I'm not biased here. I couldnt stand the bickering and commotion of either one of those immature kids


Bottom line, The Lakers will be no less successful than any other 1.5 superstar team has been. Keep praying for his downfall boys, 'cause y'all are going to all be MAD. AS. HELL once the Lakers aquire Peja and a shot-blocking center...once project Kobe is FULLY up and running.

I see. Sac is going to let Peja go for nothing and not only that but to the cross town rival team. Riiiight. And project Kobe is right. Remember this, if they miss the playoffs, he will face some serious backlash from LA fans for sure.



Not now, year after next.
meh...typing this was a waste of kinetic energy. Haters will be unrelenting haters.
He aint running for prez...Kobe is an elite baller. PERIOD...to me thats all that matters. I ain't F'ing the guy. Anybody that lets a crappy personality affect their opinion of his on-court ability is a silly, non-fan, IMO. (not you though, DRE...I respect you to the fullest)
I dont have a problem with his skills on court, but how he acted like a big baby on court, treated his coach, threw temper tantrums, and screwed his teammates when it counted that makes it bad.

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

[QUOTE=HMcCoy]HUH?
I didn't SAY he was "well liked by all", I said he is DESPISED by all...so I think we're in agreement here...Yeah he's a punk. See..I can say that. I HAVE said that. Problem is that I've seen him SH!T on teams, and dominate too...but I have never once heard you, or people like you, come in here and give him any props besides the pitiful.."I'm not saying he isn't a good player" BS rhetoric people like to start their anti-Kobe rants with...Thats so transparent.

I was making a general statement because you came in with the ***** comment. Sure he has his haters, but at the same time realize he has rubbed many people the wrong way, coaches players teammates fans all alike.
You've seen him work teams and yes I've said pleanty of times that he's a great player as I have in this thread, but never do you hear me trying to discredit what he did. Classic example, when he hit those 9 3's I saw plenty come in saying things like they left him wide open, and they werent really guarding him.

Now that is terrible and I didnt agree with it nor did I join in. I remember Mac hitting 8 straight 3's and you come in solely against an entire thread of posters saying he should have passed the ball to Juwan Howard more. BTW man, people like me? You dont hear me in here saying trash like oh he made those shots because they didnt guard him, or he blocked Ray Allens shot but it was a foul. C'mon man.


Dammit, Be a BASKETBALL FAN for once...not a personality fan. Damn his personality. Come in here with "DAMN DID YOU SEE KOBE DO (insert highlight) LAST NIGHT...THAT WAS TIGHT...He's a BEAST" every once in a while if you want to be taken seriously...Because contrary to YOUR belief, there have been Kobe moments that deserve that kind of praise.

I see, so you want us to "praise" him more? If not then we arent bball fans. Got it. What is my belief BTW?


The hipocrisy is that there was no anger when T-Mac left the up and coming Raptors to be a #1 option(selfish?)
How is saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" but then staying, worse than saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" and LEAVING? WTF? How in the hell did he NOT hurt VC by splitting? He busted up the nastiest 1-2 perimeter punch since you-know-who and you-know-who-else.

That makes zero sense, bro.

First of all by #8 saying he was testing the market was so Buss could get rid of Shaq for him. Second I fail to see what league rule Mac broke. I fail to see a man Darryl Walker told he'd be out of the L in 3 years make VC less of a player. We all know why Vince's cred went down, and it wasnt his cousin, but if you want to blame #1 for his descension then okay.
The nastiest 1-2 has been in LA if you missed it they won 3 rings.

No one was angry when MJ ran every single Chicago Bull player AND coach out of town for about...oh 3 years or so(selfish?),
How many of those players or coaches were there from his first 3-4 years? 2? 3? I'm not talking about 28 year old, championship-maturity level MJ, I'm talking the "fresh-into-the-league-take-every-shot-I-want-'cause-I'm-just-that-nasty-but-we-still-suck-so-these-chumps-ALL-gotta'-go" MJ. Every player he played with in the first few seasons was eventually shown the door. Granted, none of those guys were at Shaq's level, but don't get it twisted...MJ ruled Chicago with the same iron fist Kobe wants in LA...

LOL man here we go again. So you would have kept the old Bulls players in Chicago? Just asking because it seems to me making the team a dynasty and winning 2 3peats was the right thing to do.

See Chicago sucked at first, and MJ was the best player on the team. LA didnt suck and Kobe wasnt the best on the team, and he got the best traded and the coach sent out. See MJ earned his respect. Kobe is ruling Kupcake already with a bunch of yes men for teammates right at the moment. So if this generic iron fist you talk about is it then enjoy

No one was angry when Shaq came to EVERY camp fat as fark and out of shape, talkin' about feed the big dog or he won't play no D (selfish?...or just hungry?). Give me a break. Everybody gets a pass but the one MF who consistently played at a "best-in-the-league" level when it mattered.
Translation....Character only matters when it fits an anti-Kobe argument. Gotcha'.

I'm not a fan of Shaq either.I'm not biased here. I couldnt stand the bickering and commotion of either one of those immature kids


Bottom line, The Lakers will be no less successful than any other 1.5 superstar team has been. Keep praying for his downfall boys, 'cause y'all are going to all be MAD. AS. HELL once the Lakers aquire Peja and a shot-blocking center...once project Kobe is FULLY up and running.

I see. Sac is going to let Peja go for nothing and not only that but to the cross town rival team. Riiiight. And project Kobe is right. Remember this, if they miss the playoffs, he will face some serious backlash from LA fans for sure.



Not now, year after next.
meh...typing this was a waste of kinetic energy. Haters will be unrelenting haters.
He aint running for prez...Kobe is an elite baller. PERIOD...to me thats all that matters. I ain't F'ing the guy. Anybody that lets a crappy personality affect their opinion of his on-court ability is a silly, non-fan, IMO. (not you though, DRE...I respect you to the fullest)
I dont have a problem with his skills on court, but how he acted like a big baby on court, treated his coach, threw temper tantrums, and screwed his teammates when it counted that makes it bad.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I see, so you want us to "praise" him more? If not then we arent bball fans. Got it. What is my belief BTW?

<sighs>

No KDRE, I guess not. Really. You're right, he's a scumbag who's feats should never be given any merit.

The hipocrisy is that there was no anger when T-Mac left the up and coming Raptors to be a #1 option(selfish?)

How is saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" but then staying, worse than saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" and LEAVING? WTF? How in the hell did he NOT hurt VC by splitting? He busted up the nastiest 1-2 perimeter punch since you-know-who and you-know-who-else.

That makes zero sense, bro.

First of all by #8 saying he was testing the market was so Buss could get rid of Shaq for him. Second I fail to see what league rule Mac broke. I fail to see a man Darryl Walker told he'd be out of the L in 3 years make VC less of a player. We all know why Vince's cred went down, and it wasnt his cousin, but if you want to blame #1 for his descension then okay.
The nastiest 1-2 has been in LA if you missed it they won 3 rings.

T-Mac bailed to be the man = good..he didn't break any league rules...
Kobe wanted to bail to be the man = baaaaaaad. Whatta' jerk! (snicker)

BTW...I said PER-RIM-EH-TER punch... 1-2 perimeter punch. Only in the 2k5 universe is Shaq considered a perimeter player

No one was angry when MJ ran every single Chicago Bull player AND coach out of town for about...oh 3 years or so(selfish?)

How many of those players or coaches were there from his first 3-4 years? 2? 3? I'm not talking about 28 year old, championship-maturity level MJ, I'm talking the "fresh-into-the-league-take-every-shot-I-want-'cause-I'm-just-that-nasty-but-we-still-suck-so-these-chumps-ALL-gotta'-go" MJ. Every player he played with in the first few seasons was eventually shown the door. Granted, none of those guys were at Shaq's level, but don't get it twisted...MJ ruled Chicago with the same iron fist Kobe wants in LA...

LOL man here we go again. So you would have kept the old Bulls players in Chicago? Just asking because it seems to me making the team a dynasty and winning 2 3peats was the right thing to do.

The Lakers are not the team they were, flat out. You give shaq what the $$$ he demands, and you STILL couldn't put together the depth needed to compete for a ring again...but Kobe realized that, and wanted to either have some input, or go somewhere else. Why is that terrible...oh wait, besides thet fact that Kobe is Satans helper? If what Kobe did was so heinous, why didn't Buss just let him leave, pay Shaq, and use Kobe's salary to build around the Deisel? Well, maybe because Shaq is getting paid more than some teams entire starting 5, and hasn't been in good shape in 3 years (always a great message from your team leader)?

Answer this...If Kobe would have went to the Clippers, would he still be an evil menace to society? I mean is he indentured to Shaq and Phil? Isn't he allowed to do his own thing? How did you say it...he wouldn't be "breaking any league rules" would he?

See Chicago sucked at first, and MJ was the best player on the team. LA didnt suck and Kobe wasnt the best on the team, and he got the best traded and the coach sent out. See MJ earned his respect. Kobe is ruling Kupcake already with a bunch of yes men for teammates right at the moment. So if this generic iron fist you talk about is it then enjoy

Yeah, good point...the Bulls sucked...but wait, besides Shaq, the GOTDAMNED LAKERS SUCKED. That supporting cast needed to be blown to smithereens. And now Kobe hasn't earned respect? Wow.

Chew on this...Kobe wanted to be the man, and after 12 years why wouldn't you let him do it, Shaq? Kareem was still a great player, but that was Magics team. After coaching the greatest SG in history to 6 rings, why wouldn't Phil budge, and let Kobe loose in the triangle? Maybe he wouldn't be as prone to forcing his offense? Maybe? Sound logical?

Ummm, heres why..

A. Shaq has as much ego as Kobe, and would REFUSE to be the sidekick to a guy he didn't like..

B. Phil has as much ego as Kobe, no way does he let that kid win. No way does he let a guy he's been trying to erase since his rookie year, be the man.

So why is your thought process SO bent on dislike, that its unable to comprehend how stubborn that is? If Kobe was a super-likeable guy, like a LeBron...Shaq and Phil would have prolly let him be the man for 2-3 years, and then ride off into the sunset with 3 MORE rings. Shaq could gain even more weight, mail in 18/9 performances and reward a guy that pulled the teams fat out of the fire a ton of times en route to the first 3 rings, letting Kobe beast on the league for 28-30 ppg. Why is that NOT just as bad on their part, Dre? Explain to me how an aging, over-paid, injury-prone, consistently out of shape Shaq wanting to remain the man is cool, but a young, hungry, "I've been your sidekick for 8 freaking years now" Kobe wanting to be the man is terrible....You can't.

Bottom line, The Lakers will be no less successful than any other 1.5 superstar team has been. Keep praying for his downfall boys, 'cause y'all are going to all be MAD. AS. HELL once the Lakers aquire Peja and a shot-blocking center...once project Kobe is FULLY up and running.

I see. Sac is going to let Peja go for nothing and not only that but to the cross town rival team. Riiiight. And project Kobe is right. Remember this, if they miss the playoffs, he will face some serious backlash from LA fans for sure.

Again, NOT. THIS. YEAR. Peja is a FREE AGENT after next season. He will not re-sign with the Kings, he has made that abundantly clear. Vlade is campaigning hard for him to come to LA, and he has interest. That would put both Peja and Kobe at 27 years old, their prime, and give Kupchak enough time to put the right bench and role players in place.

[HMcCoy]

Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I see, so you want us to "praise" him more? If not then we arent bball fans. Got it. What is my belief BTW?

<sighs>

No KDRE, I guess not. Really. You're right, he's a scumbag who's feats should never be given any merit.

The hipocrisy is that there was no anger when T-Mac left the up and coming Raptors to be a #1 option(selfish?)

How is saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" but then staying, worse than saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" and LEAVING? WTF? How in the hell did he NOT hurt VC by splitting? He busted up the nastiest 1-2 perimeter punch since you-know-who and you-know-who-else.

That makes zero sense, bro.

First of all by #8 saying he was testing the market was so Buss could get rid of Shaq for him. Second I fail to see what league rule Mac broke. I fail to see a man Darryl Walker told he'd be out of the L in 3 years make VC less of a player. We all know why Vince's cred went down, and it wasnt his cousin, but if you want to blame #1 for his descension then okay.
The nastiest 1-2 has been in LA if you missed it they won 3 rings.

T-Mac bailed to be the man = good..he didn't break any league rules...
Kobe wanted to bail to be the man = baaaaaaad. Whatta' jerk! (snicker)

BTW...I said PER-RIM-EH-TER punch... 1-2 perimeter punch. Only in the 2k5 universe is Shaq considered a perimeter player

No one was angry when MJ ran every single Chicago Bull player AND coach out of town for about...oh 3 years or so(selfish?)

How many of those players or coaches were there from his first 3-4 years? 2? 3? I'm not talking about 28 year old, championship-maturity level MJ, I'm talking the "fresh-into-the-league-take-every-shot-I-want-'cause-I'm-just-that-nasty-but-we-still-suck-so-these-chumps-ALL-gotta'-go" MJ. Every player he played with in the first few seasons was eventually shown the door. Granted, none of those guys were at Shaq's level, but don't get it twisted...MJ ruled Chicago with the same iron fist Kobe wants in LA...

LOL man here we go again. So you would have kept the old Bulls players in Chicago? Just asking because it seems to me making the team a dynasty and winning 2 3peats was the right thing to do.

The Lakers are not the team they were, flat out. You give shaq what the $$$ he demands, and you STILL couldn't put together the depth needed to compete for a ring again...but Kobe realized that, and wanted to either have some input, or go somewhere else. Why is that terrible...oh wait, besides thet fact that Kobe is Satans helper? If what Kobe did was so heinous, why didn't Buss just let him leave, pay Shaq, and use Kobe's salary to build around the Deisel? Well, maybe because Shaq is getting paid more than some teams entire starting 5, and hasn't been in good shape in 3 years (always a great message from your team leader)?

Answer this...If Kobe would have went to the Clippers, would he still be an evil menace to society? I mean is he indentured to Shaq and Phil? Isn't he allowed to do his own thing? How did you say it...he wouldn't be "breaking any league rules" would he?

See Chicago sucked at first, and MJ was the best player on the team. LA didnt suck and Kobe wasnt the best on the team, and he got the best traded and the coach sent out. See MJ earned his respect. Kobe is ruling Kupcake already with a bunch of yes men for teammates right at the moment. So if this generic iron fist you talk about is it then enjoy

Yeah, good point...the Bulls sucked...but wait, besides Shaq, the GOTDAMNED LAKERS SUCKED. That supporting cast needed to be blown to smithereens. And now Kobe hasn't earned respect? Wow.

Chew on this...Kobe wanted to be the man, and after 12 years why wouldn't you let him do it, Shaq? Kareem was still a great player, but that was Magics team. After coaching the greatest SG in history to 6 rings, why wouldn't Phil budge, and let Kobe loose in the triangle? Maybe he wouldn't be as prone to forcing his offense? Maybe? Sound logical?

Ummm, heres why..

A. Shaq has as much ego as Kobe, and would REFUSE to be the sidekick to a guy he didn't like..

B. Phil has as much ego as Kobe, no way does he let that kid win. No way does he let a guy he's been trying to erase since his rookie year, be the man.

So why is your thought process SO bent on dislike, that its unable to comprehend how stubborn that is? If Kobe was a super-likeable guy, like a LeBron...Shaq and Phil would have prolly let him be the man for 2-3 years, and then ride off into the sunset with 3 MORE rings. Shaq could gain even more weight, mail in 18/9 performances and reward a guy that pulled the teams fat out of the fire a ton of times en route to the first 3 rings, letting Kobe beast on the league for 28-30 ppg. Why is that NOT just as bad on their part, Dre? Explain to me how an aging, over-paid, injury-prone, consistently out of shape Shaq wanting to remain the man is cool, but a young, hungry, "I've been your sidekick for 8 freaking years now" Kobe wanting to be the man is terrible....You can't.

Bottom line, The Lakers will be no less successful than any other 1.5 superstar team has been. Keep praying for his downfall boys, 'cause y'all are going to all be MAD. AS. HELL once the Lakers aquire Peja and a shot-blocking center...once project Kobe is FULLY up and running.

I see. Sac is going to let Peja go for nothing and not only that but to the cross town rival team. Riiiight. And project Kobe is right. Remember this, if they miss the playoffs, he will face some serious backlash from LA fans for sure.

Again, NOT. THIS. YEAR. Peja is a FREE AGENT after next season. He will not re-sign with the Kings, he has made that abundantly clear. Vlade is campaigning hard for him to come to LA, and he has interest. That would put both Peja and Kobe at 27 years old, their prime, and give Kupchak enough time to put the right bench and role players in place.

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I just want to get into a game now. It was a pre-season game and its the coaches decision to play Kobe.

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I just want to get into a game now. It was a pre-season game and its the coaches decision to play Kobe.

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Shaq made it to the Finals without Kobe, can Kobe claim that about himself?????

No, and this is the reason he wanted to be the number one option, so he can at least get the oppurtunity to. Because if he never led a team, he knew he would never get credit.

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

Shaq made it to the Finals without Kobe, can Kobe claim that about himself?????

No, and this is the reason he wanted to be the number one option, so he can at least get the oppurtunity to. Because if he never led a team, he knew he would never get credit.

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Re: Kobe Bryant poured in 35 points, but it wasn't enough...

I see, so you want us to "praise" him more? If not then we arent bball fans. Got it. What is my belief BTW?

<sighs>No KDRE, I guess not. Really. You're right, he's a scumbag who's feats should never be given any merit. </sighs>

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Nah HMC, you said that. If you want me to praise him like a zombie this season no matter what, if that satisfies you, I'll give it a go. Kobe is a god. Kobe is the sickest I've ever seen. Kobe can do no wrong. See, that wasnt so bad either.


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<sighs>How is saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" but then staying, worse than saying "Hey, I think I'm going to test FA" and LEAVING? WTF? How in the hell did he NOT hurt VC by splitting? He busted up the nastiest 1-2 perimeter punch since you-know-who and you-know-who-else.
That makes zero sense, bro.
First of all by #8 saying he was testing the market was so Buss could get rid of Shaq for him. Second I fail to see what league rule Mac broke. I fail to see a man Darryl Walker told he'd be out of the L in 3 years make VC less of a player. We all know why Vince's cred went down, and it wasnt his cousin, but if you want to blame #1 for his descension then okay.
The nastiest 1-2 has been in LA if you missed it they won 3 rings.
T-Mac bailed to be the man = good..he didn't break any league rules...
Kobe wanted to bail to be the man = baaaaaaad. Whatta' jerk! (snicker)
BTW...I said PER-RIM-EH-TER punch... 1-2 perimeter punch. Only in the 2k5 universe is Shaq considered a perimeter player</sighs>

Mac bailed because he could. Not to be the man, especially when Grant was supposed to be there. His contract was up. You do know FA's have that option right? I see no league violation to be upset about. Kobe wanted to bail only if they kept Shaq. That aint right. See. Mac didnt use other teams as leverage to sucker management into making them trade anyone.As soon as he gets traded, he signs. See the difference.If not then okay.
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<sighs>How many of those players or coaches were there from his first 3-4 years? 2? 3? I'm not talking about 28 year old, championship-maturity level MJ, I'm talking the "fresh-into-the-league-take-every-shot-I-want-'cause-I'm-just-that-nasty-but-we-still-suck-so-these-chumps-ALL-gotta'-go" MJ. Every player he played with in the first few seasons was eventually shown the door. Granted, none of those guys were at Shaq's level, but don't get it twisted...MJ ruled Chicago with the same iron fist Kobe wants in LA...
LOL man here we go again. So you would have kept the old Bulls players in Chicago? Just asking because it seems to me making the team a dynasty and winning 2 3peats was the right thing to do.
The Lakers are not the team they were, flat out. You give shaq what the $$$ he demands, and you STILL couldn't put together the depth needed to compete for a ring again...but Kobe realized that, and wanted to either have some input, or go somewhere else. Why is that terrible...oh wait, besides thet fact that Kobe is Satans helper? If what Kobe did was so heinous, why didn't Buss just let him leave, pay Shaq, and use Kobe's salary to build around the Deisel? Well, maybe because Shaq is getting paid more than some teams entire starting 5, and hasn't been in good shape in 3 years (always a great message from your team leader)?
Answer this...If Kobe would have went to the Clippers, would he still be an evil menace to society? I mean is he indentured to Shaq and Phil? Isn't he allowed to do his own thing? How did you say it...he wouldn't be "breaking any league rules" would he?</sighs>

So you refuse to answer my question? You would have kept those players on the early Bulls team pre'97<sighs>? I know you wouldnt, but you are complaining about the fact that they were traded. LOL c'mon man. I see it was the right move. they won 6 rings afterwards. This entire fiascal about Kobe was just so he could be more about himself and that's it. BTW the Lakers being to lose when a certain player decided Shaq should no longer be the #1 option, but when he was they won rings.

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<sighs>See Chicago sucked at first, and MJ was the best player on the team. LA didnt suck and Kobe wasnt the best on the team, and he got the best traded and the coach sent out. See MJ earned his respect. Kobe is ruling Kupcake already with a bunch of yes men for teammates right at the moment. So if this generic iron fist you talk about is it then enjoy
Yeah, good point...the Bulls sucked...but wait, besides Shaq, the GOTDAMNED LAKERS SUCKED. That supporting cast needed to be blown to smithereens. And now Kobe hasn't earned respect? Wow.</sighs>

Yea, LA sucked all the way to the finals. You should ask Shaq has Kobe earned his respect, especially after he screwed his entire team against DET. I agree the team had to go no doubt, but I guess GP and Malone meant nothing to the team either. Wow


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<sighs>Chew on this...Kobe wanted to be the man, and after 12 years why wouldn't you let him do it, Shaq? Kareem was still a great player, but that was Magics team. After coaching the greatest SG in history to 6 rings, why wouldn't Phil budge, and let Kobe loose in the triangle? Maybe he wouldn't be as prone to forcing his offense? Maybe? Sound logical?</sighs>

I dont remember that being in the coaches gameplan. Maybe he should have worked that out with the coach, see. Shaq was the lone unstoppable force could have been a reason maybe you think?When #8 tried to take things over the Lakers became a losing team. You have a man scoring 30/20 in the finals and hot, and you refuse to even pass it to him. Why?
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<sighs> Ummm, heres why..
A. Shaq has as much ego as Kobe, and would REFUSE to be the sidekick to a guy he didn't like..

B. Phil has as much ego as Kobe, no way does he let that kid win. No way does he let a guy he's been trying to erase since his rookie year, be the man.</sighs>

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Right, it was the big bad Phil and Shaq. Oh those monsters. They held him back. They won him 3 rings then they just said oh screw him. Kobe had no ego, and he never did anything wrong. He just wanted to take over. They treated the kid like he was nothing.


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<sighs>So why is your thought process SO bent on dislike, that its unable to comprehend how stubborn that is? If Kobe was a super-likeable guy, like a LeBron...Shaq and Phil would have prolly let him be the man for 2-3 years, and then ride off into the sunset with 3 MORE rings. Shaq could gain even more weight, mail in 18/9 performances and reward a guy that pulled the teams fat out of the fire a ton of times en route to the first 3 rings, letting Kobe beast on the league for 28-30 ppg. Why is that NOT just as bad on their part, Dre? Explain to me how an aging, over-paid, injury-prone, consistently out of shape Shaq wanting to remain the man is cool, but a young, hungry, "I've been your sidekick for 8 freaking years now" Kobe wanting to be the man is terrible....You can't.</sighs>

So now Shaq aint much of nothing right? Did you see that aging overpaid injury prone out of shape fat guy in the finals? How about #8? Who was the unstoppable one? Who is the MDE? Who do teams fear more? Who was it that DET's stiffling D couldnt stop? I wonder if you feel he's this blob has been that cant play anymore. He's still unstoppable.


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</sighs>"I've been your sidekick for 8 freaking years now" Kobe wanting to be the man is terrible.<sighs>

Boo hoo hoo. I've been your sidekick for 8 years and you wont let me shoot more.. waaahhhh. Give me a break

I see. Sac is going to let Peja go for nothing and not only that but to the cross town rival team. Riiiight. And project Kobe is right. Remember this, if they miss the playoffs, he will face some serious backlash from LA fans for sure.

Again, NOT. THIS. YEAR. Peja is a FREE AGENT after next season. He will not re-sign with the Kings, he has made that abundantly clear. Vlade is campaigning hard for him to come to LA, and he has interest. That would put both Peja and Kobe at 27 years old, their prime, and give Kupchak enough time to put the right bench and role players in place.</sighs>

Didnt say this year, and expect in the least for Peja to be traded before his contract ends my friend. And LOL at Vlade. he'll be retired soon himself. He's a dinosaur now.