The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[Cavsfan4life]

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[King_B_Mack]

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[ZB9]

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Has there ever been a worse performance by an MVP in the finals than Curry's this year? I cant think of one.

As a point guard he averaged more turnovers than assists. I think it was the highest turnover average in the finals by an MVP in history.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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This was definitely one of the most controversial finals I can remember . Lot of storylines .

[wwharton]

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Winning the regular season MVP doesnt necessarily mean that you are the best player on the planet. Shaq only won one for example.

Not sure what your argument is... who said that's what it meant?

But how can you criticize anyone for winning the award when you're only watching them during a period after what's evaluated for it?

Uhh, no. I've said that Wiggins doesn't make them more of a contending team, way before any of this. I don't know he wouldn't have made them better...I'm speculating. Which is what all of us do here. He doesn't fill a need for the Cavs to become a title contender. Love does.

Right after the game ended you chose to make the post that I quoted "Wiggins trade for Love was horrible though"...

I don't care about anything you said before, how was that post anything but trolling at the time you made it? That part I don't even care about, I just don't get the point. Nothing that happened yesterday, the entire finals series, or pretty much the season makes that post make any sense.

The only argument is with someone who said the Cavs were going to stink with Love and literally nobody said that. Most people criticizing Love in the finals and all of them considered him an all star at the time of the trade. So I have no idea what point you were trying to make.

And no, you're wrong. Usually when people criticize the Love-Wiggins trade, it's after a bad performance by Love, and they are usually thinking about a 1 to 1 trade, not anything else.

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No, I'm right... and there are plenty of posts to prove it. I don't acknowledge people that criticize the trade after a bad performance bc they make as little sense as bringing it up after the Cavs won the championship. ALL of the talk here was before the trade happened or before last season started. Do a search if you really think I'm wrong.

[ZB9]

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Not sure what your argument is... who said that's what it meant?

But how can you criticize anyone for winning the award when you're only watching them during a period after what's evaluated for it?

I never said that he shouldn't have won MVP.

My point was that Curry shouldn't be called the best player in the league anymore when he didn't show up for finals and was probably the 5th best player on the court.

[Blzer]

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I never said that he shouldn't have won MVP.

My point was that Curry shouldn't be called the best player in the league anymore when he didn't show up for finals and was probably the 5th best player on the court.

I will be an apologist for Curry in that his injury really is hampering him down. He has been known to not only be dominant all season, but in very clutch moments as well.

That said, he was terrible in the playoffs, and many will certainly call a spade a spade in that case. But a healthy Curry would have been a completely different player. I am not convinced that he is as healthy as he claims. I can see it in his ball handling, his defense, and his decision-making.

Besides, one of Curry's most valuable things about him is he makes the entire offense better when he's on the court. That has been statistically proven time and again.

James has a longer sample size, more shooting options in his arsenal, and was fantastic these playoffs (plus his rebounding and blocking abilities)... so I am not going to talk anyone down from saying he is currently the better player than Curry. They are different types of players anyway. It's like comparing the best hitter and best pitcher in baseball, or a speedster versus a power hitter.

I don't have enough to say about Durant, Westbrook, Aldridge, Leonard, Lillard, Paul... maybe missing some guys there (don't know where George stands, for instance)... but I don't see them enough on a day-to-day basis to make any real comparisons. I'm just saying that I won't move my opinion of Curry on his dominance in this sport, even after these playoffs. If he can't ever fully recover, then of course I'm going to change my opinion of him. But for now, definitely the MVP of the league when he performs as he did in the regular season.

[phenom1990]

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just about every finals game since 86 lol

name some series that were better

97 Finals
93 Finals
13 Finals
11 Finals??

Game 7 was unbelievable but there weren't a lot of competitive games before Game 7. You did have a classic performance from both Lebron and Kyrie in Game 5.

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97 Finals
93 Finals
13 Finals
11 Finals??

Game 7 was unbelievable but there weren't a lot of competitive games before Game 7. You did have a classic performance from both Lebron and Kyrie in Game 5.

That was hardly the best finals ever but nobody cares.

[vtcha]

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there weren't a lot of competitive games before Game 7.

Agreed.

The series really kicked into gear from Game 4 onwards.

The first 3 games were really forgetful.

Game 1: GSW def. Cavs 104 - 89
Game 2: GSW def. Cavs 110 - 77
Game 3: Cavs def. GSW 120 - 90

Almost half the series was a blowout. You could even consider Game 6 too before the Warriors made a comeback during the 4th quarter and the whole Curry fiasco happened.

[ojandpizza]

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LeBron breathing down your neck everytime you start to gather probably affects that as well.

That doesn't count. Only injuries matter.


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[lilteapot]

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Not sure what your argument is... who said that's what it meant?

But how can you criticize anyone for winning the award when you're only watching them during a period after what's evaluated for it?



Right after the game ended you chose to make the post that I quoted "Wiggins trade for Love was horrible though"...

I don't care about anything you said before, how was that post anything but trolling at the time you made it? That part I don't even care about, I just don't get the point. Nothing that happened yesterday, the entire finals series, or pretty much the season makes that post make any sense.

The only argument is with someone who said the Cavs were going to stink with Love and literally nobody said that. Most people criticizing Love in the finals and all of them considered him an all star at the time of the trade. So I have no idea what point you were trying to make.



No, I'm right... and there are plenty of posts to prove it. I don't acknowledge people that criticize the trade after a bad performance bc they make as little sense as bringing it up after the Cavs won the championship. ALL of the talk here was before the trade happened or before last season started. Do a search if you really think I'm wrong.

You getting worked up over a harmless post is funny. Even I don't even remember why I posted it. Relax.

In a 703 page discussion thread, people are going to bring up different things.

[BleacherBum2310]

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LeBron breathing down your neck everytime you start to gather probably affects that as well.

The Stat includes the postseason. not one series.

[VDusen04]

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couldn't find it but i think this stat illustrates it the best

Curry shot 66% in the restricted area this season, but 52.2% in postseason + 47.8% in the Finals

Thanks for this. That's pretty telling. The only issue is, we don't really know why he dropped off so incredibly hard.

With all due respect to Steven Adams and Tristan Thompson, Curry was making mince meat of every single big man he encountered in the paint this year, so I don't totally buy the notion that he just ran into good interior defenders. That 66 percent number is right there with guys like DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard - and most of their buckets in that position seem to be dunks.

He literally went from being one of the most masterful finishers in the paint I've ever seen at that size (for the entire regular season) to being a question mark as to whether he was even going to be able to finish a semi-open look at the rim.

I understand folks like to go back to, "Mehhh I don't think he was ever really that great at finishing inside". But I mean... the 6-foot-3 guy with a mediocre vert nearly shot 70 percent within the restricted area. His talent for finishing inside nearly rivaled his talent outside. But it was a completely different story in the postseason.

[ojandpizza]

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Idk how many layups does he even shoot. Maybe 5-6 a night.. At those percentages, though they seem large, it's only 1 miss a night more. We're really going to say that the defensive level increase during the playoffs (where everyone's numbers dip even Curry's last year) isn't enough to cause one extra miss a night on his layups/floaters? Also considering LeBron chased him down 4-5 times as well.

Idk I have zero doubt dude was dealing with a nagging knee injury, as are many guys at this time (Kyrie for example), but it definitely didn't cause ALL of this, nor make incapable of beating Kevin Love off the dribble if he wanted too. (Sorry King)

He just had too many moments where he looked like the same normal Steph, it was so on again off again. Had he looked consistently hurt, or noticeably slower I would budge a little more.. The guy was catching self lobs throwing down 360 dunks in warmups, I mean c'mon.. Cavs had him looking the same way last year until Delly/Thompson were ran into the ground.. And OKC played him incredibly well as well.




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