The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[cima]

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90 second video of Screamin A picking the Finals wrong 6 years in a row

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[wwharton]

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I'm not saying it's a given, hence "could".

He might hit 35 and fall apart like Kobe, he might hit 38 and still give you something comparable to what he was doing at 30 like Malone. Hell he might repeat next year and retire. Who the **** knows.


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It doesn't matter. ESPN/CBS/whoever trying to compare both of them at the same age unnecessarily is the problem. The fact that at the same age, Lebron's knees and back have played so many more games screws up any thought of a similar trajectory... based on age.

It's just more proof it's a dumb comparison. Take the ages out of there, base it on number of years in the NBA, you still have 2 insane stat sheets. Adding the age wasn't needed, and actually takes shine off Lebron bc instead of fans saying "look how amazing both of them are" we're talking about the flaws in the comparison to the GOAT.

[redsox4evur]

The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

Here's another one I been hearing lately. Lebron ain't better than Bird. Thoughts on that one? Never seen Bird play so I can't comment on this.

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[ojandpizza]

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It doesn't matter. ESPN/CBS/whoever trying to compare both of them at the same age unnecessarily is the problem. The fact that at the same age, Lebron's knees and back have played so many more games screws up any thought of a similar trajectory... based on age.



It's just more proof it's a dumb comparison. Take the ages out of there, base it on number of years in the NBA, you still have 2 insane stat sheets. Adding the age wasn't needed, and actually takes shine off Lebron bc instead of fans saying "look how amazing both of them are" we're talking about the flaws in the comparison to the GOAT.

Well there are people who can look at that as well without bringing up "flaws" regardless of how the criteria is manipulated.

Again, it's just people who have a problem with someone being compared to MJ, or just don't like LeBron. Otherwise there's no real reason to nitpick.

I mean I get what you're saying, but the people who are "just let LeBron be great on his own" rather than comparisons are some of the same people who wanna get offended when there is a stat like this. I mean would it appease you of they had a mileage tracker lol, or games played? It's not going to change what LeBron has accomplished by the age of 31 so the result is the same.

We had one last year comparing he and Bird at the age 30, there was no bitching about who spent how many years at college or whatever.. Which is why it's just silly to me now.

Say LeBron plays effective until his mid 30's and hypothetically ended up with 7 rings (not happening I know) but you'd have people here "well Jordan could have had 8 or even more if he played longer", which would be even more silly than this.

It just is what it is. LeBron is 31 and has 3 rings. When Jordan was 31 he had 3 rings.. Mileage, years played, none of that changes the outcome. The only people upset by the graphic are the ones who don't like that it makes them look level, otherwise there isn't anything to critique. "LeBron played longer" well no **** he played longer, we already knew that lol.


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[ojandpizza]

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Here's another one I been hearing lately. Lebron ain't better than Bird. Thoughts on that one? Never seen Bird play so I can't comment on this.

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To save writing out an entire essay, the short answer for me is no. Though Bird was basically done by the time I was old enough to understand the game. He's one of those guys you've still been able to see enough of to get a feel for the player he was.. It's not like Elgin Baylor where you've got bits and pieces of highlights or something.

I have an older uncle who's a huge Boston fan. He legitimately thinks Dave Cowens is a top 5 player ever. Even he has LeBron over Bird, and often says that McHale was just as good during those Celtics runs as Bird was. He's got Bird **** hanging up all over his house, and if he even has that opinion then I tend to feel pretty safe with mine lol.

But it is what it is, people all look at players differently. Bird and Magic's rivalry for some people always prop them up a little higher than what they likely would have been without each other. My biggest thing with them is they both arguably played for the 1st and 2nd best teams of all time, talent wise. We never got to see any of them showcase what they could do in comparison to Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, as far as being the best player in the world before you had the best team in the world. I'm not doubting them personally, it just would be nice to see.. I lump both of them with Duncan, Bill Russell, etc.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Okay OJ what's the point of laying out what LeBron did at the age of 31 and what Jordan had done by the age of 31? What's the point of that? Why don't we lay out their complete career stats next to each other then? You know why? Cause Jordan's ****s on his right now and the narrative that's trying to be pushed can't be pushed then.

That graphic was put together with the sole intent of starting some ****. It's taking away from both guys because we gotta have these ridiculous conversations instead of just being impressed by what LeBron has accomplished thus far in his career.

[ojandpizza]

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Because LeBron is 31 years old. That's the sole reason for the graphic. I don't get how that's confusing people. It's not like he's 35 and didn't accomplish anything after 31 so someone made a graphic backtracking to remove 4 bad seasons. It's not like it's ignoring that he's played more years just because years listed isn't on the graphic.. Years listed isn't an award like MVP or ring, so why would it be?

I literally can't understand why this bothers people. I know everyone just thinks I'm just a LeBron homer, and there isn't a way to convince you otherwise. But I was an even bigger fan of Jordan than he. My phone lock-screen is to this day MJ, my work computer desktop is MJ, I don't even wear jerseys never have and I own a Laney, UNC, rookie script, and Wizards Jordan jersey. The only other player I even have a jersey of is a Vince Carter Sounds jersey because I snatched it at a game this year. I've never had another players poster, plaque, whatever hanging on my wall. My office at my house has an autographed MJ jersey, tegata hand print, the long "wings" framed poster.

I'm as big of an MJ as any of you, maybe not literally as much as a Bulls only fan, but anyone else.. And this doesn't bother me in the least. Why does it bother you or anyone else? It's pretty self explanatory to understand why it shows age 31 unless you're deliberately trying to find a way to make it an insult.




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[King_B_Mack]

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So because LeBron is 31 and just won a championship, a side by side graphic needed to be made with Michael Jordan at age 31 with absolutely NO intention of sparking a who's better debate? And if Iggy makes that layup and Kyrie misses that three ball and the Warriors win back to back titles and let's just say myself or 23 post a side by side graphic of LeBron at 31 with his two titles in 13 seasons next to Michael's stats at 31, you wouldn't be in here calling people out for hating on LeBron or being unfair to him for criticizing him for team accomplishments that aren't his fault? Would this dumb *** graphic even exist had they lost? I already know the answer to this, but figured I'd put the question out there anyway.

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So because LeBron is 31 and just won a championship, a side by side graphic needed to be made with Michael Jordan at age 31 with absolutely NO intention of sparking a who's better debate? And if Iggy makes that layup and Kyrie misses that three ball and the Warriors win back to back titles and let's just say myself or 23 post a side by side graphic of LeBron at 31 with his two titles in 13 seasons next to Michael's stats at 31, you wouldn't be in here calling people out for hating on LeBron or being unfair to him for criticizing him for team accomplishments that aren't his fault? Would this dumb *** graphic even exist had they lost? I already know the answer to this, but figured I'd put the question out there anyway.

Why not Bill Russell or John Havlicek or Magic?

It's the same silly nonsense every year.

I like LeBron but the constant caping is ridiculous

Like I said, its just more ESPn stuff that nobody really cares about.

[Scofield]

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Here's another one I been hearing lately. Lebron ain't better than Bird. Thoughts on that one? Never seen Bird play so I can't comment on this.

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LeBron's defensive edge puts him over the top. Even in Birds best years (and they were incredible) he never dominated both ends like LeBron has.

But, to give you some perspective on Birds offensive prowess, he routinely ate the best defensive players in the game alive while talking world class **** to them. The man was as cold blooded as they come.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Y'all didn't even let the Golden State janitors get all the confetti off the ground before y'all started this.

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[bigeastbumrush]

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LeBron's defensive edge puts him over the top. Even in Birds best years (and they were incredible) he never dominated both ends like LeBron has.

But, to give you some perspective on Birds offensive prowess, he routinely ate the best defensive players in the game alive while talking world class **** to them. The man was as cold blooded as they come.

Does Bird's 3-point shooting put him over the edge?
But LeBron's dunking would put him right back over the edge.
But Bird's FT shooting would catapult him over the edge.
But LeBron's passing would somersault him over the edge.

Man we can do this kinda stuff all day long. Gotta appreciate these players for who they are without the constant cross-era comparisons all the time.

If they ever played head to head in their prime...fine.

But there's no end to this stuff. I have seen both players do things that the other one couldn't even do in their dreams. Doesn't make one better than the other. Both are all-time greats.

Leave the lists for ESPN and barbershops.

[ojandpizza]

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Had LeBron lost the finals and not gotten his 3rd ring it would be extremely likely that this graphic wouldn't have been made. But they did win.

I guess the entire argument just doesn't change much for me regardless because their number of rings doesn't sway my opinion more so than their individual level of play. If Jordan were 3/6 and LeBron won all 7 of his I wouldn't be on here claiming LeBron was the far superior player. Just like I've said before Jordan was the best player to me before he won a ring, what the Lakers won, Celtics won, Pistons won, compared to what the Bulls didn't win didn't change my view on Jordan compared to Magic, Bird, Zeke.. Just like what the Cavs didn't win compared to what the Lakers, Spurs, Heat won didn't change my view on LeBron compared to Kobe, Duncan, Wade.

I look at it as more "LeBron has accomplished a lot at a relatively young age". I realize he's played more, everyone knows that. I guess in realizing that it's already known that it didn't change the view point of the graphic for me. Now if I were a 15 year old kid and didn't know that much about MJ I could see more where you'd find it misleading.. But otherwise, and for most here, it's just that it's already known. Just because the picture doesn't have it listed didn't mean that my common knowledge of their backgrounds just disappeared from my memory lol.




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[Scofield]

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Does Bird's 3-point shooting put him over the edge?
But LeBron's dunking would put him right back over the edge.
But Bird's FT shooting would catapult him over the edge.
But LeBron's passing would somersault him over the edge.

Man we can do this kinda stuff all day long. Gotta appreciate these players for who they are without the constant cross-era comparisons all the time.

If they ever played head to head in their prime...fine.

But there's no end to this stuff. I have seen both players do things that the other one couldn't even do in their dreams. Doesn't make one better than the other. Both are all-time greats.

Leave the lists for ESPN and barbershops.

Climb down off your hind legs man. There's no need to dig through the minutiae on this front. Partially for the reasons you listed. In any case, if you want to give someone a straightforward look into the difference between the two players what I gave is a decent approximation (albeit general).

Maybe your response was geared more towards what was said before my post. That would be understandable and would make more sense.

[ZB9]

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I guess the Birdman qualifies for the Heat.

But who's that guy on the Cavs? Delly? Eh, I guess Delly does fit the bill.

JR Smith without a doubt lol