Allen Iverson

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

The one season you brought up that he had "Stars around him", was the season where he shot the best, didn't take a lot of shots, and had a lot of assists. Coincidence?

Guess what the 76ers record was that season............

22-60

While AI is a good player, he's over-rated when people put him in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG.

I do believe he will be in the HoF but he's gotten far more credit and praise from the press and fans that what he deserves based on his play.

[ludacris06]

Re: Allen Iverson

People, this is a prime example of someone debating back that is stuck on his own bias. All the Iverson fans here in Philly that call up sports radio talk like this. And apparently, so do his fans on messageboards.


See, what you call "negativity"....I call "reality".

Is he 5 ft. 10 inches? Yup

Does he slack off on the training that he should go through to not only protect his body from injury, but also miss out on his rehab workouts? Yup

Does he act immature still, especially LAST YEAR? Yup

Is he still not a good shooter? Yup.

Can you still not get good enough trade value for Iverson? Yup.


Those are all truths. So how is that negativity? Negativity is if I said the things Asianflow is saying. I will never say Iverson is overrated.

And how am I being negative, when in my first post I said he should be in the Hall Of Fame?

So you assume that is the reason the Sixers resigned Iverson?

[ludacris06]

Re: Allen Iverson

People, this is a prime example of someone debating back that is stuck on his own bias. All the Iverson fans here in Philly that call up sports radio talk like this. And apparently, so do his fans on messageboards.


See, what you call "negativity"....I call "reality".

Is he 5 ft. 10 inches? Yup

Does he slack off on the training that he should go through to not only protect his body from injury, but also miss out on his rehab workouts? Yup

Does he act immature still, especially LAST YEAR? Yup

Is he still not a good shooter? Yup.

Can you still not get good enough trade value for Iverson? Yup.


Those are all truths. So how is that negativity? Negativity is if I said the things Asianflow is saying. I will never say Iverson is overrated.

And how am I being negative, when in my first post I said he should be in the Hall Of Fame?

So you assume that is the reason the Sixers resigned Iverson?

[3rdAnswer]

Re: Allen Iverson

Guess what the 76ers record was that season............

22-60

While AI is a good player, he's over-rated when people put him in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG.

I do believe he will be in the HoF but he's gotten far more credit and praise from the press and fans that what he deserves based on his play.

I think you're forgetting how good the East was when AI took them boys to the Finals. They went through Reggie and the Pacers who were an awesome 8 seed, Ray Allen and that star-studded Bucks lineup, and Vince and the Raptors when Vince was in his prime. On top of that, they were the only team to beat LA that year in the post season, and it was on the road.

[3rdAnswer]

Re: Allen Iverson

Guess what the 76ers record was that season............

22-60

While AI is a good player, he's over-rated when people put him in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG.

I do believe he will be in the HoF but he's gotten far more credit and praise from the press and fans that what he deserves based on his play.

I think you're forgetting how good the East was when AI took them boys to the Finals. They went through Reggie and the Pacers who were an awesome 8 seed, Ray Allen and that star-studded Bucks lineup, and Vince and the Raptors when Vince was in his prime. On top of that, they were the only team to beat LA that year in the post season, and it was on the road.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: Allen Iverson

Guess what the 76ers record was that season............

22-60

While AI is a good player, he's over-rated when people put him in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG.

I do believe he will be in the HoF but he's gotten far more credit and praise from the press and fans that what he deserves based on his play.

What is your problem? How could you say that Iverson is not in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG? First of all, Iverson took the Sixers on his back and took them to the NBA Finals. KG has never taken his team past the first round. Kobe is a great player, but as you can see this year so far, he's not taking his team anywhere near the Finals. Adding on to that fact, Kobe has had the most dominant center in the history of the NBA in Shaq. Duncan and Shaq are some of the greatest players to ever be in the NBA. Duncan has championships, Shaq has championships. Just because Iverson doesn't have a ring makes him not in their category? Iverson hasn't even had the privlege to play with a good supporting cast like the rest of those players have. Not to mention the fact that Iverson is under six feet tall. The rest of those playes are either super athletic (Kobe), or just dominant big men (KG, Shaq, Duncan). I'm sorry, I didn't know that just because you're not so tall that makes you not in the league of other great players. Look at Iverson's career averages, not to mention the fact that he is top 10 in NBA history in career scoring averages. Stats don't lie. You think Patrick Ewing doesn't have the same caliber as any of the other great big men? Some of the greatest players to ever play the game haven't won championships. To say that Iverson is not in the elite group of players is to say that he is equal to players such as Michael Finley. People who don't suck, but they are decent players. And don't give me that "the West is harder" crap, cause the Lakers got their tails handed to them last year by the Pistons. I'm so sick of people acting like Iverson doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the elite group of players.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: Allen Iverson

Guess what the 76ers record was that season............

22-60

While AI is a good player, he's over-rated when people put him in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG.

I do believe he will be in the HoF but he's gotten far more credit and praise from the press and fans that what he deserves based on his play.

What is your problem? How could you say that Iverson is not in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG? First of all, Iverson took the Sixers on his back and took them to the NBA Finals. KG has never taken his team past the first round. Kobe is a great player, but as you can see this year so far, he's not taking his team anywhere near the Finals. Adding on to that fact, Kobe has had the most dominant center in the history of the NBA in Shaq. Duncan and Shaq are some of the greatest players to ever be in the NBA. Duncan has championships, Shaq has championships. Just because Iverson doesn't have a ring makes him not in their category? Iverson hasn't even had the privlege to play with a good supporting cast like the rest of those players have. Not to mention the fact that Iverson is under six feet tall. The rest of those playes are either super athletic (Kobe), or just dominant big men (KG, Shaq, Duncan). I'm sorry, I didn't know that just because you're not so tall that makes you not in the league of other great players. Look at Iverson's career averages, not to mention the fact that he is top 10 in NBA history in career scoring averages. Stats don't lie. You think Patrick Ewing doesn't have the same caliber as any of the other great big men? Some of the greatest players to ever play the game haven't won championships. To say that Iverson is not in the elite group of players is to say that he is equal to players such as Michael Finley. People who don't suck, but they are decent players. And don't give me that "the West is harder" crap, cause the Lakers got their tails handed to them last year by the Pistons. I'm so sick of people acting like Iverson doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the elite group of players.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: Allen Iverson

And another thing I'd like to add, Iverson's career average for minutes per game is 41 minutes. How many players do you know in the league play almost every minute of a regulation game? It's common sense why someone plays over 41 minutes per game for his career, because he's a valuable player to his team and in order for the team to be sucessful that player has to be in the game at all times for the team to even have a chance to win. How many player you know in the NBA have 8 career 50 pt games? 3 of those 50 pt games coming in the playoffs? When it counts? Jordan has done it many times in his early years with the Bulls. Even Jordan admitted that he couldn't have won ANY of those championships without the teammates he had. You think any of the teammates Iverson had were the caliber of Pippen, Armstrong, Paxson, Rodman, or even Kerr for that matter? Even Jordan never took his team to the Finals without the help of those great players. I'm obviously not comparing Iverson to Jordan, what I'm doing is trying to explain that everyone needs help to win a championship. Not even the best of the best players in the NBA can single-handedly win a championship without good players around them.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: Allen Iverson

And another thing I'd like to add, Iverson's career average for minutes per game is 41 minutes. How many players do you know in the league play almost every minute of a regulation game? It's common sense why someone plays over 41 minutes per game for his career, because he's a valuable player to his team and in order for the team to be sucessful that player has to be in the game at all times for the team to even have a chance to win. How many player you know in the NBA have 8 career 50 pt games? 3 of those 50 pt games coming in the playoffs? When it counts? Jordan has done it many times in his early years with the Bulls. Even Jordan admitted that he couldn't have won ANY of those championships without the teammates he had. You think any of the teammates Iverson had were the caliber of Pippen, Armstrong, Paxson, Rodman, or even Kerr for that matter? Even Jordan never took his team to the Finals without the help of those great players. I'm obviously not comparing Iverson to Jordan, what I'm doing is trying to explain that everyone needs help to win a championship. Not even the best of the best players in the NBA can single-handedly win a championship without good players around them.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

What is your problem? How could you say that Iverson is not in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG? First of all, Iverson took the Sixers on his back and took them to the NBA Finals. KG has never taken his team past the first round. Kobe is a great player, but as you can see this year so far, he's not taking his team anywhere near the Finals. Adding on to that fact, Kobe has had the most dominant center in the history of the NBA in Shaq. Duncan and Shaq are some of the greatest players to ever be in the NBA. Duncan has championships, Shaq has championships. Just because Iverson doesn't have a ring makes him not in their category? Iverson hasn't even had the privlege to play with a good supporting cast like the rest of those players have. Not to mention the fact that Iverson is under six feet tall. The rest of those playes are either super athletic (Kobe), or just dominant big men (KG, Shaq, Duncan). I'm sorry, I didn't know that just because you're not so tall that makes you not in the league of other great players. Look at Iverson's career averages, not to mention the fact that he is top 10 in NBA history in career scoring averages. Stats don't lie. You think Patrick Ewing doesn't have the same caliber as any of the other great big men? Some of the greatest players to ever play the game haven't won championships. To say that Iverson is not in the elite group of players is to say that he is equal to players such as Michael Finley. People who don't suck, but they are decent players. And don't give me that "the West is harder" crap, cause the Lakers got their tails handed to them last year by the Pistons. I'm so sick of people acting like Iverson doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the elite group of players.

When did I say I thought AI was less of a player because he doesn't have a ring?

Look up the West vs. East head to head matchup records the past 5 years as well as the NBA champions and then tell me the West is harder is crap.

It's foolish for you to say it looks like Kobe won't be taking his team anywhere near the finals. We're not even half way through the season yet.
Besides how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? 0

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

What is your problem? How could you say that Iverson is not in the same category as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG? First of all, Iverson took the Sixers on his back and took them to the NBA Finals. KG has never taken his team past the first round. Kobe is a great player, but as you can see this year so far, he's not taking his team anywhere near the Finals. Adding on to that fact, Kobe has had the most dominant center in the history of the NBA in Shaq. Duncan and Shaq are some of the greatest players to ever be in the NBA. Duncan has championships, Shaq has championships. Just because Iverson doesn't have a ring makes him not in their category? Iverson hasn't even had the privlege to play with a good supporting cast like the rest of those players have. Not to mention the fact that Iverson is under six feet tall. The rest of those playes are either super athletic (Kobe), or just dominant big men (KG, Shaq, Duncan). I'm sorry, I didn't know that just because you're not so tall that makes you not in the league of other great players. Look at Iverson's career averages, not to mention the fact that he is top 10 in NBA history in career scoring averages. Stats don't lie. You think Patrick Ewing doesn't have the same caliber as any of the other great big men? Some of the greatest players to ever play the game haven't won championships. To say that Iverson is not in the elite group of players is to say that he is equal to players such as Michael Finley. People who don't suck, but they are decent players. And don't give me that "the West is harder" crap, cause the Lakers got their tails handed to them last year by the Pistons. I'm so sick of people acting like Iverson doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the elite group of players.

When did I say I thought AI was less of a player because he doesn't have a ring?

Look up the West vs. East head to head matchup records the past 5 years as well as the NBA champions and then tell me the West is harder is crap.

It's foolish for you to say it looks like Kobe won't be taking his team anywhere near the finals. We're not even half way through the season yet.
Besides how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? 0

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

So you assume that is the reason the Sixers resigned Iverson?

Think about it...back in 2000, they were going to trade a fairly healthy (starting to get banged up) Allen Iverson for a critically injured Grant Hill.


Any questions?

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

So you assume that is the reason the Sixers resigned Iverson?

Think about it...back in 2000, they were going to trade a fairly healthy (starting to get banged up) Allen Iverson for a critically injured Grant Hill.


Any questions?

[ludacris06]

Re: Allen Iverson

Yeah, that was 3 years before he signed that contract.

[ludacris06]

Re: Allen Iverson

Yeah, that was 3 years before he signed that contract.