Allen Iverson

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

In regards to that list you made, would you trade anyone in the current starting lineup for Toronto for either one of those guys? with the exception of maybe hughes or stack(even less likely imo) I doubt it. Those aren't exactly Shaq, Pip, or even D. fish quality players(certainly during their tenures as sixers)

I would glady trade Mo Pete for Larry Hughes right now.

AI has quality players to play with in Philly. By no means was he by himself. He often jacked up shots when he had teammates wide open. AI is not a team player.

Mark my words, AI will never win in a championship as long as he's the best player on the team.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

In regards to that list you made, would you trade anyone in the current starting lineup for Toronto for either one of those guys? with the exception of maybe hughes or stack(even less likely imo) I doubt it. Those aren't exactly Shaq, Pip, or even D. fish quality players(certainly during their tenures as sixers)

I would glady trade Mo Pete for Larry Hughes right now.

AI has quality players to play with in Philly. By no means was he by himself. He often jacked up shots when he had teammates wide open. AI is not a team player.

Mark my words, AI will never win in a championship as long as he's the best player on the team.

[dieselboy]

Re: Allen Iverson

Slagging KG for not taking his team to the finals?

Sure AI's 76ers made one appearance in the finals ,of course that's not saying much when you play in the JV conference.

I don't buy the argument that AI has to jack up so many shots because he's always been a lone wolf.

In 96 he had Stackhouse and Coleman
In 97 he had Stackhouse, Coleman, Jackson, and Thomas
In 98 he had Stackhouse, Coleman, Jackson, and Thomas
In 99 he had Kukoc and Hughes
In 2000 he had Kukoc and McKie
In 2001 he had Coleman, McKie, and Harpring
In 2002 he had Van Horn, Thomas, Coleman, and McKie
In 2003 he had Robinson, Thomas, Coleman, and McKie

None of those players listed, especially during the time with the 76ers have been great players.

Do you think AI would be shooting that much if say, he played for a good team?

Swap him with Mike Bibby, Sam Cassell, Steve Francis, Dwayne Wade, Jason Terry, Tony Parker, etc. I think his numbers would look a lot different.

[dieselboy]

Re: Allen Iverson

Slagging KG for not taking his team to the finals?

Sure AI's 76ers made one appearance in the finals ,of course that's not saying much when you play in the JV conference.

I don't buy the argument that AI has to jack up so many shots because he's always been a lone wolf.

In 96 he had Stackhouse and Coleman
In 97 he had Stackhouse, Coleman, Jackson, and Thomas
In 98 he had Stackhouse, Coleman, Jackson, and Thomas
In 99 he had Kukoc and Hughes
In 2000 he had Kukoc and McKie
In 2001 he had Coleman, McKie, and Harpring
In 2002 he had Van Horn, Thomas, Coleman, and McKie
In 2003 he had Robinson, Thomas, Coleman, and McKie

None of those players listed, especially during the time with the 76ers have been great players.

Do you think AI would be shooting that much if say, he played for a good team?

Swap him with Mike Bibby, Sam Cassell, Steve Francis, Dwayne Wade, Jason Terry, Tony Parker, etc. I think his numbers would look a lot different.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

All that stuff doesn't matter to you because you're trying to shed some negativity on him.

People, this is a prime example of someone debating back that is stuck on his own bias. All the Iverson fans here in Philly that call up sports radio talk like this. And apparently, so do his fans on messageboards.


See, what you call "negativity"....I call "reality".

Is he 5 ft. 10 inches? Yup

Does he slack off on the training that he should go through to not only protect his body from injury, but also miss out on his rehab workouts? Yup

Does he act immature still, especially LAST YEAR? Yup

Is he still not a good shooter? Yup.

Can you still not get good enough trade value for Iverson? Yup.


Those are all truths. So how is that negativity? Negativity is if I said the things Asianflow is saying. I will never say Iverson is overrated.

And how am I being negative, when in my first post I said he should be in the Hall Of Fame?

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

All that stuff doesn't matter to you because you're trying to shed some negativity on him.

People, this is a prime example of someone debating back that is stuck on his own bias. All the Iverson fans here in Philly that call up sports radio talk like this. And apparently, so do his fans on messageboards.


See, what you call "negativity"....I call "reality".

Is he 5 ft. 10 inches? Yup

Does he slack off on the training that he should go through to not only protect his body from injury, but also miss out on his rehab workouts? Yup

Does he act immature still, especially LAST YEAR? Yup

Is he still not a good shooter? Yup.

Can you still not get good enough trade value for Iverson? Yup.


Those are all truths. So how is that negativity? Negativity is if I said the things Asianflow is saying. I will never say Iverson is overrated.

And how am I being negative, when in my first post I said he should be in the Hall Of Fame?

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

None of those players listed, especially during the time with the 76ers have been great players.

Do you think AI would be shooting that much if say, he played for a good team?

Swap him with Mike Bibby, Sam Cassell, Steve Francis, Dwayne Wade, Jason Terry, Tony Parker, etc. I think his numbers would look a lot different.

Well it's hard to define what "great" is.

But I would argue some of his teammates had great seasons.

In 96 Stackhouse averaged 20.7 PPG and was 15th in the league.
The same year Coleman averaged 18.1 PPG and 10.1 Reb.

Both had all-star caliber years.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Allen Iverson

None of those players listed, especially during the time with the 76ers have been great players.

Do you think AI would be shooting that much if say, he played for a good team?

Swap him with Mike Bibby, Sam Cassell, Steve Francis, Dwayne Wade, Jason Terry, Tony Parker, etc. I think his numbers would look a lot different.

Well it's hard to define what "great" is.

But I would argue some of his teammates had great seasons.

In 96 Stackhouse averaged 20.7 PPG and was 15th in the league.
The same year Coleman averaged 18.1 PPG and 10.1 Reb.

Both had all-star caliber years.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

The coach wasn't looking out for him when he benched him.

Total bull.

So I guess Popovich wasn't looking out for Tim Duncan when he brought him off the bench after coming back from injury as well?

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

The coach wasn't looking out for him when he benched him.

Total bull.

So I guess Popovich wasn't looking out for Tim Duncan when he brought him off the bench after coming back from injury as well?

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

And where do you get this inside information from? Do you work for the sixers?

What's so "inside" about it? It's a KNOWN FACT by all the media that he doesn't work out to protect his body. Hell, you can just look at the guy and you can see that. He's 155lbs soaking wet!

And he doesn't do his rehab either. That's been reported millions of times. And if he doesn't do the training to protect his body, then he damn sure doesn't rehab.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

And where do you get this inside information from? Do you work for the sixers?

What's so "inside" about it? It's a KNOWN FACT by all the media that he doesn't work out to protect his body. Hell, you can just look at the guy and you can see that. He's 155lbs soaking wet!

And he doesn't do his rehab either. That's been reported millions of times. And if he doesn't do the training to protect his body, then he damn sure doesn't rehab.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

JMood.not many teams will trade for AI cause he's plays a reckless style and will be paid more than 20 million in his mid 30's...And he's still too much of a high maintenance guy...

Exactly. Vinceanity knows his stuff.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: Allen Iverson

JMood.not many teams will trade for AI cause he's plays a reckless style and will be paid more than 20 million in his mid 30's...And he's still too much of a high maintenance guy...

Exactly. Vinceanity knows his stuff.

[dieselboy]

Re: Allen Iverson

Well it's hard to define what "great" is.

But I would argue some of his teammates had great seasons.

In 96 Stackhouse averaged 20.7 PPG and was 15th in the league.
The same year Coleman averaged 18.1 PPG and 10.1 Reb.

Both had all-star caliber years.

In the 1996-97 season, Iverson shot 46% and had 6.2 assists per game, along with 22 points, off of 17 shots per game.