2019 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Isn’t there a rule in the CBA that prevents that from happening?

[Majingir]

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Isn’t there a rule in the CBA that prevents that from happening?

If teams could deal Luke Ridnour like 3 times in a week(obviously different circumstances), I'm sure this type of Davis deal could probably happen.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think that’s exactly why they made it a rule. Has to be like 6 months before you can flip them to another team.

[ojandpizza]

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I think the rule is only if the player is traded in a package with other players.. Meaning he can be moved by himself over and over again..

I forger who, but it just happened with someone this season though, and I remember thinking there was a rule to prevent it from happening. Nik Stauskas I think, unless that rule only applies to off-season trades.

Just googled- he and wade Baldwin were traded 3 times in a week.

[RedSceptile]

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I think that’s exactly why they made it a rule. Has to be like 6 months before you can flip them to another team.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 90.)

[ojandpizza]

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What is all the hype with the Lakers offer anyway? So many negatives involved. So let's say it is Ball + Ingram + Kuzma + #4.

- All three players give the impression they wouldn't resign in NO
- Ingram would have only 1 year, Ball & Kuzma on two years so small sample size before offering contracts
- Past 2 years reliability for Ball (52 games & 47 games), Ingram (59 games & 52 games)
- Cannot get RJ Barrett to make Zion feel more comfortable and happier in NO
- A line-up of Ball/Holiday?/Ingram/Zion/Center with Kuzma doesn't mesh well. Where is the spacing?
- As above, Kuzma plays PF so would mean putting Zion at SF?
- As above, the lack of a consistent perimeter shot from all three is worrying past 2 years, Attempts + %:
Ball - 5.7 attempts at 30% in 2017/18, 4.9 attempts at 33% in 2018/19
Ingram - 1.8 attempts at 39% in 2017/18, 1.8 attempts at 33% in 2018/19
Kuzma - 5.6 attempts at 36% in 2017/18, 6.0 attempts at 30% in 2018/19
- Assisting with strengthening a Western Conference rival for the future

I don't think there as really been any hype outside them having 3 good young players. Nobody is saying they are all destined to the HOF, but at the same time your assessment on them seems to be one of ignoring the fact that they are all going to presumable get better as well.

As far as re singing, they'll all be restricted I believe. So a bit longer than just a year or 2, plus they'll be movable assets.. In the trade I posted before, none of those guys were headed to NO anyways.

I wished our young guys played for another team so they wouldn't get **** on so much. This exact same thing happened with Randle/DLo.

They do seem vastly underrated when it's talks with them in trades vs talks of other players in trades. Like Tatum is a great grab but none of those 3 are, or Knox and the 3rd pick is a great grab but a combination of those guys and the 4th wouldn't be... Especially Lonzo. I think people see they struggled this year, and they haven't shot great from 3 and that's the narrative. Don't young guys like Tatum, Mitchell, etc also only shoot 30% from 3? It's just one of those narratives.

Uhhh the Bulls would say no. How does losing Lauri and our 20/20 pick which is probably gonna be a lottery pick help us? Especially when the return is Ball, Kuzma and a bunch of second round garbage. I need Ball to be a more reliable shooter before I want any part of that dude in Chicago and his dad’s mouth would probably still keep me from wanting him because he’ll destroy what’s already a fragile locker room. Don’t need that **** here. Kuz is intriguing, but I like Lauri’s upside better if he truly pans out.


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I'm pretty high on Lauri myself, which is why I asked. But I'm also pretty high on Lonzo, which is also why I asked lol. I guess it would largely depend on where Chicago believes Lauri's development will take him. If they see superstar that's mostly like a big no from them.. But trading a B+ for two B's likely nets them a better team overall. On most teams, just talking right now, Lonzo+Kuz would likely get you more wins that just Lauri on a team full of replacement level guys. He's not quite a 20&10 guy yet, much less some 25&13 irreplaceable talent. But if they see that as his ceiling, I'm not sure that move works for them.

[King_B_Mack]

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I'm pretty high on Lauri myself, which is why I asked. But I'm also pretty high on Lonzo, which is also why I asked lol. I guess it would largely depend on where Chicago believes Lauri's development will take him. If they see superstar that's mostly like a big no from them.. But trading a B+ for two B's likely nets them a better team overall. On most teams, just talking right now, Lonzo+Kuz would likely get you more wins that just Lauri on a team full of replacement level guys. He's not quite a 20&10 guy yet, much less some 25&13 irreplaceable talent. But if they see that as his ceiling, I'm not sure that move works for them.

GarPax loves Lauri so I’m pretty sure if the cost to get Ball involves Lauri that’s a no go. Now I could see them moving Zach in a Ball trade. They’re main priority this off-season is point guard. They’ve already made that clear. Apparently the rumor is that they’ll be targeting Terry Rozier, Pat Beverly and don’t rule out them making a bid for Mike Conley once Memphis looks to move him after they get Ja.




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[ojandpizza]

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GarPax loves Lauri so I’m pretty sure if the cost to get Ball involves Lauri that’s a no go. Now I could see them moving Zach in a Ball trade. They’re main priority this off-season is point guard. They’ve already made that clear. Apparently the rumor is that they’ll be targeting Terry Rozier, Pat Beverly and don’t rule out them making a bid for Mike Conley once Memphis looks to move him after they get Ja.




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I think Terry will have a big bounce back year honestly. What would you actually be willing to give up to get Conley? LaVine and 7? Porter and 7? Or is that too much with Conley being 31.


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[RedSceptile]

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I think Terry will have a big bounce back year honestly. What would you actually be willing to give up to get Conley? LaVine and 7? Porter and 7? Or is that too much with Conley being 31.


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Way too damn much.

[ojandpizza]

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Way too damn much.

One of those contracts is all that will get the deal done, 7th pick too much for an All-Star? We got other people saying the 4th pick is nearly worthless because it’s a 3 man draft lol.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

2019 Offseason Thread

For all that, they might as well go after DLo since he would fit their timeline better since he’s still young and hasn’t entered his prime yet with plenty of room to improve.

That way, they can still keep their pick.

[ojandpizza]

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For all that, they might as well go after DLo since he would fit their timeline better since he’s still young and hasn’t entered his prime yet with plenty of room to improve.

That way, they can still keep their pick.

They can’t get anything like that outright can they? They are 80 something mil in cap next year if they don’t resign Lopez.

But yeah, DLo definitely fits their timeline better.


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[georgiafan]

2019 Offseason Thread

Judging the value of Conley is going to be tough I assume a middle of the road team like Pacers or Jazz will make a offer. A solid player (sabonis or Rubio) + 1st round pick


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[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

Judging the value of Conley is going to be tough I assume a middle of the road team like Pacers or Jazz will make a offer. A solid player (sabonis or Rubio) + 1st round pick the pacers could shop


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He just makes winning plays and minimal mistakes. His biggest issue is the contract, but I think it only has 2 more seasons on it. I guess I just feel like getting him and keeping Lopez to be the vets next to LaVine and Lauri would have a good chance at making them a playoff team all while having the perfect examples to learn from.

Even this year he’s one of only 8 players to hit 20ppg, 8apg, and have a TS% of 55 or higher. Even this years Gizzlies team was a positive with him on the floor in the West, and about 7 points better with him on the floor vs off. He just plays winning basketball.

He might not lineup well with Chicago’s timeline like mentioned, but the Jazz and/or Pacers jump up a good chunk with him IMO.. Pacers however would lose something with Sabonis, and Rubio isn’t nearly enough for Conley IMO.

With two years left, of Memphis can’t get equal value, or something young + picks, I think they would be better suited letting Ja learn under him or drafting Barrett since their worst position currently is out on the wings.


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[georgiafan]

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He just makes winning plays and minimal mistakes. His biggest issue is the contract, but I think it only has 2 more seasons on it. I guess I just feel like getting him and keeping Lopez to be the vets next to LaVine and Lauri would have a good chance at making them a playoff team all while having the perfect examples to learn from.

Even this year he’s one of only 8 players to hit 20ppg, 8apg, and have a TS% of 55 or higher. Even this years Gizzlies team was a positive with him on the floor in the West, and about 7 points better with him on the floor vs off. He just plays winning basketball.

He might not lineup well with Chicago’s timeline like mentioned, but the Jazz and/or Pacers jump up a good chunk with him IMO.. Pacers however would lose something with Sabonis, and Rubio isn’t nearly enough for Conley IMO.

With two years left, of Memphis can’t get equal value, or something young + picks, I think they would be better suited letting Ja learn under him or drafting Barrett since their worst position currently is out on the wings.


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I think getting a vet PG makes a lot of sense for Chicago they need to find a way to not pick 7th every year. You could also make a run at Jrue if NO ever figures out what they are doing with AD or even Rubio if Jazz land Conley.