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  • ojandpizza
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    • Apr 2011
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    #1591
    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by georgiafan
    About how much cap space would LA have next year if AD does a 1+1 ? They should have
    bird rights for Schroder and Harrell has a player option
    It's tricky because the Harrell move. With Deng's dead money hanging over next year they would need AD and Bron to opt out and maybe both take a slight pay cut, if not then LeBron take a slightly larger pay cut.

    But with Harrell's money on the books I don't know that it's possible. He was singed using the MLE so if those same rules carry over into the next season his money only effects the amount over the cap but under the tax, but if that money works like a normal contract after year 1 then he would need to opt out for them to have a shot. If he plays well in the playoff this year he's likely opting out anyways because he will be set to make more than the MLE. Being a Klutch player he likely already knows this and I'm assuming this is a 1 year type of deal to give him a shot at a ring and boosting his value to earn a bigger pay day elsewhere.

    From what I read earlier in the year the Lakers would be able to afford a player on his first max deal, like Bam, with no problems, but not a player like Giannis who's max will be larger. The idea was that LeBron would opt out and sign a 1+1 where he would take a 1 year pay cut to sign said player and then sign back the next year to a max for 2,3,4 however many years he wants to play until he's retired.

    But if the Lakers are granted to lose that 5 mil owed to Deng, they applied for that career ending injury thing that I'm not sure if it's been decided yet or not, then LeBron and AD both opting out they would both only have to take a pay cut of a couple mil most likely. It might be more realistic for them to do that than it would be for Bron to take a 8 million or so cut for 1 season.

    They would have to trade KCP since he's signed a new deal, for basically nothing.. A draft pick for example, but I do believe if they wait to offer Kuz a contract until next off-season they can retain him with bird rights because his 8 mil cap hold, Bron, AD, Giannis contracts would be the only things on the book. If the cap rises at all they could do it, but like mentioned before Bron might have to take a pay cut for 1 year.

    Either way both Rob and Klutch already know this and I'm sure Bron and AD could already have something worked out for them to shoot for a 3rd guy.

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    • jeremym480
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      • Oct 2008
      • 18198

      #1592
      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by georgiafan
      I know its not cool to question the heat, but what are they doing using their cap space to sign 1 year deals and then sign Bam to a extension eating up the books next year unless you bring back the same older guys.

      @ByTimReynolds

      The Heat are in the process of extending Bam Adebayo's contract.
      I think around half the league can create enough space for a max slot next offseason so Bam could be traded for future picks without taking any salary back or an S&T so the Bucks can at least get something good back for Giannis. If the Bucks don't want to play ball then there will be plenty of other teams who will.

      Of course, the risk is if he gets a major injury this year but other than that I don't see this as having a ton of impact on Miami's efforts to go after Giannis.
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      • ojandpizza
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        • Apr 2011
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        #1593
        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
        If the cap next year ends up being what is currently expected, they'll need to either get rid of Butler or get rid of every other player, Herro included. And even that wouldn't be enough if Bam ends up hitting the criteria to unlock a larger max contract.

        Simply put, Miami just made it unnecessarily a lot harder if not impossible to sign Giannis outright next offseason.

        A sign-and-trade could still theoretically be possible, but again, there's really no reason for Miami to take this step right now when they control Bam's future and could have taken advantage of his low cap hold to build the best team possible.
        What is the expected cap? Because it looks like Jimmy is at 36, Bam projected at 28, Herro at 4, Achiuwa rookie scale, Ryan Anderson dead cap at 5. Everyone else under contract has team options or unguaranteed money.

        That's all likely a tad less than 80 Mil, more than enough to offer Giannis as if he leaves Milwaukee his "max" is roughly 8-9 less a year than they could pay him.

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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
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          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #1594
          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by jeremym480
          I think around half the league can create enough space for a max slot next offseason so Bam could be traded for future picks without taking any salary back or an S&T so the Bucks can at least get something good back for Giannis. If the Bucks don't want to play ball then there will be plenty of other teams who will.

          Of course, the risk is if he gets a major injury this year but other than that I don't see this as having a ton of impact on Miami's efforts to go after Giannis.
          If Giannis were to go to Miami it would be because he wants to play with Bam, not to be traded for him.

          More likely, if this extension doesn't indicate that they think Giannis is staying, they'd look to trade Butler in the offseason whether it's a sign-and-trade with Giannis to send Butler back to where he played his college ball, or to send him to a different team entirely.
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          • Yeah...THAT Guy
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            • Dec 2006
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            #1595
            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            What is the expected cap? Because it looks like Jimmy is at 36, Bam projected at 28, Herro at 4, Achiuwa rookie scale, Ryan Anderson dead cap at 5. Everyone else under contract has team options or unguaranteed money.

            That's all likely a tad less than 80 Mil, more than enough to offer Giannis as if he leaves Milwaukee his "max" is roughly 8-9 less a year than they could pay him.
            $112.4 mil. The Miami Herald did a breakdown of it here.



            In that scenario, Adebayo’s first-year max would be $28.1 million and Antetokounmpo’s would be $33.7 million. Those two players — combined with Jimmy Butler’s $36 million salary, a $5.2 million waive-and-stretch hit for Ryan Anderson and cap holds for nine empty roster spots would leave no room for any other current Heat player.

            ...

            That means Herro, Nunn, Robinson, Okpala and the player selected 20th overall would need to be traded only for draft picks to sign Antetokounmpo — using cap space — in that scenario if Adebayo gets his extension in the next five weeks. And the team obviously would need to decline the Iguodala and Silva options.

            The Heat would need to fill out its final nine roster spots with its non taxpayer mid-level exception (nearly $10 million), a bi-annual exception (about $4.8 million) and players on veteran minimum deals and undrafted free agents.

            ...

            If Adebayo is named MVP, Defensive Player of the Year or makes the first, second or third All-NBA teams in 2020-21, then he would be eligible for a higher salary under terms of the NBA’s designated player rule — $33.7 million in his first year if the cap is $112.4 million or $36 million if the cap is $120 million. That would foil Scenario 1. (the one where they make room for Giannis by trading everybody else but Bam and Butler)
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            • ProfessaPackMan
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              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #1596
              2020 Offseason Thread

              I’m not putting nothing past Pat Riley. Y’all go ahead and sleep on him if you want to.

              It’d be naive to think he’d do this and still sacrifice his shot at Giannis or whoever. Of course, this could easily go away if Giannis signs his extension.

              A lot can change in a year and we’ve already seen that just with this year alone.
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              • ojandpizza
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                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #1597
                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                But if the cap is higher than that they would keep Herro, Precious, and the empty roster spot holds would drop from 9 to 7, and cap would need to be 118+ it seems.

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                • jeremym480
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                  • Oct 2008
                  • 18198

                  #1598
                  Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  I’m not putting nothing past Pat Riley. Y’all go ahead and sleep on him if you want to.

                  It’d be naive to think he’d do this and still sacrifice his shot at Giannis or whoever. Of course, this could easily go away if Giannis signs his extension.

                  A lot can change in a year and we’ve already seen that just with this year alone.
                  I'm 100% expecting Giannis and AD to team up in Miami next year.
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                  • roadman
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 26339

                    #1599
                    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by jeremym480
                    I'm 100% expecting Giannis and AD to team up in Miami next year.
                    I am hoping you are wrong about taking their talents to South Beach.

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                    • King_B_Mack
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 24450

                      #1600
                      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                      Since when has salary cap meant a damn for a superstar wanting to go somewhere? If Giannis doesn't stay in Milwaukee and decides he wants to go to LA or Miami, he'll end up in LA or Miami. There is no shortage of idiotic teams that always help these teams out when they want to make their superteams or sign max level players. The Bulls are literally the only team in the league that if a guy like AD or LeBron wanted to go there, it wouldn't happen because they'd never be able to free up the cap space to make it happen. Everywhere else it's a simple process that just happens.
                      Last edited by King_B_Mack; 11-25-2020, 07:20 AM.

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                      • roadman
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                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #1601
                        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                        Since when has salary cap meant a damn for a superstar wanting to go somewhere? If AD doesn't stay in Milwaukee and decides he wants to go to LA or Miami, he'll end up in LA or Miami. There is no shortage of idiotic teams that always help these teams out when they want to make their superteams or sign max level players. The Bulls are literally the only team in the league that if a guy like AD or LeBron wanted to go there, it wouldn't happen because they'd never be able to free up the cap space to make it happen. Everywhere else it's a simple process that just happens.
                        King, I truly hope you typed what you meant, AD doesn't stay in Milwaukee.

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                        • 3304Life
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                          • 3002

                          #1602
                          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                          Javale McGee will lead Cleveland to chip number 2.

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                          • georgiafan
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            #1603
                            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                            The Gallo thing is a sign and trade so OKC will get a big trade exception. Instead of getting a asset for this we give up a 2025 protected 2nd round pick. Atlanta gets “Cash considerations” in the deal so instead of getting something to help out on the court we pad the owners bank account. I can’t bash the GM on this as it could be the owners call either way it’s another small thing that’s mismanaged.
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                            • illwill10
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                              • Mar 2009
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                              #1604
                              Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                              "Source, to @TheAthletic: The Kings are still discussing whether to match Atlanta’s four-year, $72 million offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic, but are leaning strongly towards not matching. They have four hours remaining to finalize the choice."

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                              • georgiafan
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 11104

                                #1605
                                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by illwill10
                                "Source, to @TheAthletic: The Kings are still discussing whether to match Atlanta’s four-year, $72 million offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanovic, but are leaning strongly towards not matching. They have four hours remaining to finalize the choice."
                                I believe I’m the only hawks Fan wanting kings to match this I would also be against us getting buddy Hield also.
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