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  • DieHardYankee26
    BING BONG
    • Feb 2008
    • 10178

    #1876
    2021 Offseason Thread

    Only team subs I see into this so far are the Wolves fans who think they can get him for cheap and Rockets fans who want him out of Morey spite. I think Philly’s best chance is that you’re secretly Zach Kleiman and willing to give them Ja Morant.
    Last edited by DieHardYankee26; 09-22-2021, 03:30 AM.
    Originally posted by G Perico
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    In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
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    • illwill10
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2009
      • 19829

      #1877
      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by ojandpizza
      I feel like a good deal for both sides is going to be so tricky though. For one Philly seems to be incredibly stingy, but at the same time why would they move Ben for a lesser haul if they are trying to compete for a ring? Their window could be small. This season was literally the first time in years Joel has looked both healthy and conditioned enough to last 30+ effective minutes in a playoff game.. and he still ultimately got injured. They aren’t moving Ben for role players with Harris ultimately being their clear cut 2nd best player at that point to square off against teams like Milwaukee and Brooklyn.

      For two there aren’t many available “stars” to be traded this close to training camp. John Wall is no longer that caliber of player, Sac is seemingly refusing to budge on Haliburton or Fox, a LaVine swap might have made sense before getting Ball but the money is off anyways (I know you hate this trade King so you don’t even have to type
      It out lol) Sixers are rumored to not want DLo (I don’t really blame them) and Minnesota likely wouldn’t sweeten that deal with guys like Beasley + more.

      It almost feels like Ben will be headed towards a team primed for a rebuild, or to take that next jump from rebuilding to fighting for the playoffs.. the problem is those teams aren’t going to trade away their best players they’ll want to add Ben to what they are building, or don’t have **** to send back in return.

      Pacers with Brogdon and Warren would seem pretty solid to me, but a Simmons/Turner/Sabonis fitting would seem poor. Pacers would most likely need to move one of Sabonis/Turner to another team to make the pieces make sense.. that said I believe Indiana has put themselves into a position to be a playoff team, not sure restarting it all now makes sense. Also does Brogdon and Warren really get them closer to a ring?

      I don’t know why the Kings won’t move a guard. I can understand not wanting to move both Hield and Haliburton, but having Haliburton, Fox, Mitchell, is a bit redundant. Fox and Bagley to me makes sense and is enough youth, potential, and potential star power to entice Philly. Hield and Haliburton are both top tier shooters and would seemingly fit well with Ben.

      The Spurs trade to me actually makes sense for San Antonio. With all due respect to Murray and his improvement he’s not taking them anywhere. Some combo of Murray/White/Vassell perhaps. They acquired some assets and are obviously moving forward with a “rebuild” sooner rather than later... Johnson seems to be the best prospect on the team by far, Ben is still young enough to move them that direction and though they likely aren’t significantly better after that trade it’s a step in that direction.. the issue is I don’t think Philly does that. Murray is a solid Ben replacement, he’s a great defender himself, but none of those guys are getting Embiid closer to competing against guys like Middleton/Jrue and Harden/Kyrie.. and none of them have what look to be sky high ceilings either.

      Would it be wild to assume the Mavs would try to pair him with Luka? Seems like an odd fit but couldn’t be any more awkward than whatever KP was doing in the playoffs. Something like Porzingis, Finney-Smith, and Brunson. In this instance Philly would have to assume Porzingis is a starting 4 next to Joel and that Brunson is a starting caliber PG.. I’m not sure either of those are the case. Could maybe get interesting if worked into a 3-4 team type of deal.

      OKC has absolute **** for trade value, but I could see them getting in on the action to help facilitate some 3-4 team move. Maybe they would take back a contract like Wall or Porzingis for some more draft assets. At some point when another team decides to “tank/rebuild” contracts like those plus a handful of their 400 picks could get them a star to pair with SGA.

      Some random *** multi piece trade like below might work:

      OKC gets: Wall + more picks
      76ers get: Siakam, Dragic, Eric Gordon
      Rockets get: Ben Simmons, Favors, Boucher
      Raptors get: T Harris, Christian Wood, Giddey

      Potential issue there is how highly OKC values Giddey. It might take a young player going back to them in addition to those picks.
      I agree. This isn't a situation where you just take young players and picks just to get him. With Joel in his prime, they have a 2-3 year window. I see him starting to break down once he gets into early 30s.

      I would love a Fox or Haliburton/Hield deal, but that isn't likely. I don't see a Rockets deal being good for either side. Pacers would have to move off from Sabonis because Ben seems like a better fit next to Turner. I think TJ Warren foot hasn't been healy like they expected and still out a while. Maybe a Brodgon and Lamb deal would be good, but then those are two guys with long injury histories. I don't think a CJ McCollum deal is even on the table anymore lol. I do agree with the Kings perspective. Hield and Haliburton would be a good fit next to Ben. A Lineup of Haliburton-Hield-Ben-Barnes-Holmes would be a good lineup. Might have to throw in Shake with Ben, but Fox and Bagley would be a great return.

      This is likely a 3-4 team deal. If you are moving off of Ben and Tobias, that's more of a Cap Flexibility move which I wouldn't mind.

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      • DieHardYankee26
        BING BONG
        • Feb 2008
        • 10178

        #1878
        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

        If you could get Ben back on board by firing Doc, would you do that or would you prefer Ben gone either way?
        Originally posted by G Perico
        If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
        I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
        In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
        The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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        • illwill10
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2009
          • 19829

          #1879
          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
          If you could get Ben back on board by firing Doc, would you do that or would you prefer Ben gone either way?
          I would prefer Ben gone either way. I think it's best for both parties. Even if he would to flourish somewhere else, it wouldn't be the same if he were still here. The divorce needs to happen either way. I really don't think Doc's comments were a big deal. Doc went at beat Writers and media when they said anything negative about Ben all year. Was his comment any worse than Brett Brown publicly telling Ben to shoot at least 1 Three a game. My main issues Doc is Lineup decisions and mid-game adjustments. Doc loved going with All Bench lineups that killed any momentum or the Ben-Dwight that was a net negative.

          If anything, Ben needs an established no-nonsense coach who will push him
          Last edited by illwill10; 09-22-2021, 08:46 AM.

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #1880
            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
            Legit asking because I've seen Woj catching shade around here before too. It legit seems like there are times here and it could just be me, where we get a little too caught up in the 'don't believe these reporters' thing but then certain stuff that comes out people don't even hesitate to accept it as fact. Just my observations over the last few years.
            I gave Woj grief #onhere last year(not that he GAF lol)over that article he wrote about Kyrie being “The Disrupter” when they were talking about restarting the season during last summer’s events especially since he framed it as if Kyrie was trying to sabotage the talks, when it was determined to nowhere near true as far as how he framed it.

            Other than that, I feel like we(#onhere)pretty much trust his word, along with the other two I mentioned when it comes to break player transaction/personnel moves.

            Now when it came to LeBron related stuff, I think Cima was one of the people here that would buy anything Woj was selling(If I’m wrong, my bad Brother Cima).
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • DieHardYankee26
              BING BONG
              • Feb 2008
              • 10178

              #1881
              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

              Might’ve been the other way around, Bron fans have never liked Woj, dude used to write hit pieces about him when he was at Yahoo because he didn’t have any sources in his camp. That was when I first realized how he was.
              Originally posted by G Perico
              If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
              I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
              In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
              The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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              • georgiafan
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jul 2002
                • 11130

                #1882
                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                I'll gladly take Ben in Atlanta to team up with Trae and be the defender and secondary ball handler.
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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #1883
                  Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by georgiafan
                  I'll gladly take Ben in Atlanta to team up with Trae and be the defender and secondary ball handler.
                  Would be great for the Hawks, just not sure what pieces would really benefit the Sixers. Delon Wright MIGHT be serviceable enough as a combo guard type for them to make a trade including him, but it seems a 3rd team sending Philly a PG would almost have to be involved. The problem is nobody is shopping starting caliber PGs. Maybe something like:

                  Hawks get: Simmons
                  Raptors get: Gallo
                  76ers get: Dragic, and then two of Hunter, Huerter, Cam

                  I feel like Hunter is the piece Atlanta would most likely want to keep long term and having Wright and Bogdan makes Huerter a bit more expendable.. But having all 3 of Collins, Simmons, Hunter is also a strange mix. Both Hunter and Cam have strong upside, especially Hunter, but both have had some injuries and the Hawks are competing now. Maybe it makes the most sense for them to keep Huerter since Ben is giving them the defender they would hope one of the other two could eventually become.

                  Raptors likely need a 2nd rounder or something to help facilitate the trade. Philly misses out on a win-now star, but Dragic is a great fit for the small window they may have. If Hunter progresses to be the player some believe he will be then they've at least landed an All-Star caliber guy.

                  Only other 3 team trade I could think of that gets them a younger guard than Dragic would be a trade with Cleveland.

                  Hawks get: Ben Simmons
                  Cavs get: T Harris, Gallo, Maxey
                  76ers get: Love, Rubio, Sexton, Hunter

                  Makes sense for the Hawks because it's just a Simmons for Hunter swap on their end, Cavs get off of Love's contract.

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                  • Master Live 013
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 12430

                    #1884
                    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                    Not sure why the Raptors would be interested in that.
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                    • georgiafan
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 11130

                      #1885
                      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      Would be great for the Hawks, just not sure what pieces would really benefit the Sixers. Delon Wright MIGHT be serviceable enough as a combo guard type for them to make a trade including him, but it seems a 3rd team sending Philly a PG would almost have to be involved. The problem is nobody is shopping starting caliber PGs. Maybe something like:

                      Hawks get: Simmons
                      Raptors get: Gallo
                      76ers get: Dragic, and then two of Hunter, Huerter, Cam

                      I feel like Hunter is the piece Atlanta would most likely want to keep long term and having Wright and Bogdan makes Huerter a bit more expendable. But having all 3 of Collins, Simmons, Hunter is also a strange mix. Both Hunter and Cam have strong upside, especially Hunter, but both have had some injuries and the Hawks are competing now. Maybe it makes the most sense for them to keep Huerter since Ben is giving them the defender they would hope one of the other two could eventually become.

                      Raptors likely need a 2nd rounder or something to help facilitate the trade. Philly misses out on a win-now star, but Dragic is a great fit for the small window they may have. If Hunter progresses to be the player some believe he will be then they've at least landed an All-Star caliber guy.

                      Only other 3 team trade I could think of that gets them a younger guard than Dragic would be a trade with Cleveland.

                      Hawks get: Ben Simmons
                      Cavs get: T Harris, Gallo, Maxey
                      76ers get: Love, Rubio, Sexton, Hunter

                      Makes sense for the Hawks because it's just a Simmons for Hunter swap on their end, Cavs get off of Love's contract.
                      I've not seen any reports Atlanta is interested its just me thinking about at as someone eventually will need to be traded or not signed to a big deal.

                      Cam and Gallo would be the two locks to be moved from Atlanta. I don't see Hunter being in the trade as Cam's name has been in trade rumors all summer. You could afford to lose one of Cam or Hunter and Hunter seems to be higher on the pecking order. Maybe Philly would be interested in moving Tobas and having Gallo fill his role and saving all that $?

                      Then you would add either Huerter or Bogdan to give Philly a starting 2. Wright is a good option to go to Philly has he is on a expiring deal and is a decent bench player. Atlanta has all of their 1st round picks going forward so you could add some of them as well as a fake 1st from OKC. I think this offer is as good as they will do for the time being

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                      Delon Wright
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                      • DieHardYankee26
                        BING BONG
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 10178

                        #1886
                        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                        I don’t know if Ben, Collins, and Capela can work on the floor at the same time but Atlanta as a city might be the perfect fit for Ben.
                        Originally posted by G Perico
                        If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                        I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                        In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                        The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                        • Majingir
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 47691

                          #1887
                          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by Master Live 013
                          Not sure why the Raptors would be interested in that.
                          It only makes sense if Raptors get picks along with him for taking on that extra year of his deal.

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #1888
                            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by Master Live 013
                            Not sure why the Raptors would be interested in that.

                            It’s just a money swap that gets them a pick in return. It sounded like Dragic didn’t want to be there (he’s apologized for the comments since however) and he’s not going to stay with them after this year anyways. Philly could likely send another younger piece like Joe or Shake or an extra 2nd rounder or something. But no Toronto wouldn’t be interested in Gallo, but they likely aren’t that interested in Dragic either.


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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #1889
                              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by Majingir
                              It only makes sense if Raptors get picks along with him for taking on that extra year of his deal.

                              And the extra year is only partially guaranteed if waived. 5 mil. So that part of it wouldn’t matter much if they got the picks.


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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #1890
                                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by georgiafan
                                I've not seen any reports Atlanta is interested its just me thinking about at as someone eventually will need to be traded or not signed to a big deal.

                                Cam and Gallo would be the two locks to be moved from Atlanta. I don't see Hunter being in the trade as Cam's name has been in trade rumors all summer. You could afford to lose one of Cam or Hunter and Hunter seems to be higher on the pecking order. Maybe Philly would be interested in moving Tobas and having Gallo fill his role and saving all that $?

                                Then you would add either Huerter or Bogdan to give Philly a starting 2. Wright is a good option to go to Philly has he is on a expiring deal and is a decent bench player. Atlanta has all of their 1st round picks going forward so you could add some of them as well as a fake 1st from OKC. I think this offer is as good as they will do for the time being

                                Cam
                                Gallo (basically a expiring contract)
                                Bogdan or Huerter
                                Delon Wright
                                A few Draft Picks

                                I just don’t think Philly takes a deal that doesn’t get them a point guard or a player with Hunters upside.

                                Their best piece in a return like that is Bogdan, and I just don’t think they make the move with the thought that it helps them close the gap any against guys like Harden and Middleton. Especially if it means having to start Maxey or Seth at the 1 spot.

                                I definitely get why ATL wouldn’t want to trade Hunter, but at the same time how do you play Ben, Hunter, and Collins together? In terms of fit rather than potential it makes sense to keep the shooters who play all their minutes at the guard rotation, not the guy who’s a 3/4 like Ben. IMO at least. That returns their full ECF team and adds Ben to the mix as they didn’t really have Hunter or Cam anyways. Huerter is also going to come a bit cheaper at the end of the day that would matter if you’re paying Ben, Trae, Collins, Capela, Bogdan.


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