Only team subs I see into this so far are the Wolves fans who think they can get him for cheap and Rockets fans who want him out of Morey spite. I think Philly’s best chance is that you’re secretly Zach Kleiman and willing to give them Ja Morant.
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2021 Offseason Thread
Only team subs I see into this so far are the Wolves fans who think they can get him for cheap and Rockets fans who want him out of Morey spite. I think Philly’s best chance is that you’re secretly Zach Kleiman and willing to give them Ja Morant.Last edited by DieHardYankee26; 09-22-2021, 03:30 AM.Originally posted by G PericoIf I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
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I agree. This isn't a situation where you just take young players and picks just to get him. With Joel in his prime, they have a 2-3 year window. I see him starting to break down once he gets into early 30s.I feel like a good deal for both sides is going to be so tricky though. For one Philly seems to be incredibly stingy, but at the same time why would they move Ben for a lesser haul if they are trying to compete for a ring? Their window could be small. This season was literally the first time in years Joel has looked both healthy and conditioned enough to last 30+ effective minutes in a playoff game.. and he still ultimately got injured. They aren’t moving Ben for role players with Harris ultimately being their clear cut 2nd best player at that point to square off against teams like Milwaukee and Brooklyn.
For two there aren’t many available “stars” to be traded this close to training camp. John Wall is no longer that caliber of player, Sac is seemingly refusing to budge on Haliburton or Fox, a LaVine swap might have made sense before getting Ball but the money is off anyways (I know you hate this trade King so you don’t even have to type
It out lol) Sixers are rumored to not want DLo (I don’t really blame them) and Minnesota likely wouldn’t sweeten that deal with guys like Beasley + more.
It almost feels like Ben will be headed towards a team primed for a rebuild, or to take that next jump from rebuilding to fighting for the playoffs.. the problem is those teams aren’t going to trade away their best players they’ll want to add Ben to what they are building, or don’t have **** to send back in return.
Pacers with Brogdon and Warren would seem pretty solid to me, but a Simmons/Turner/Sabonis fitting would seem poor. Pacers would most likely need to move one of Sabonis/Turner to another team to make the pieces make sense.. that said I believe Indiana has put themselves into a position to be a playoff team, not sure restarting it all now makes sense. Also does Brogdon and Warren really get them closer to a ring?
I don’t know why the Kings won’t move a guard. I can understand not wanting to move both Hield and Haliburton, but having Haliburton, Fox, Mitchell, is a bit redundant. Fox and Bagley to me makes sense and is enough youth, potential, and potential star power to entice Philly. Hield and Haliburton are both top tier shooters and would seemingly fit well with Ben.
The Spurs trade to me actually makes sense for San Antonio. With all due respect to Murray and his improvement he’s not taking them anywhere. Some combo of Murray/White/Vassell perhaps. They acquired some assets and are obviously moving forward with a “rebuild” sooner rather than later... Johnson seems to be the best prospect on the team by far, Ben is still young enough to move them that direction and though they likely aren’t significantly better after that trade it’s a step in that direction.. the issue is I don’t think Philly does that. Murray is a solid Ben replacement, he’s a great defender himself, but none of those guys are getting Embiid closer to competing against guys like Middleton/Jrue and Harden/Kyrie.. and none of them have what look to be sky high ceilings either.
Would it be wild to assume the Mavs would try to pair him with Luka? Seems like an odd fit but couldn’t be any more awkward than whatever KP was doing in the playoffs. Something like Porzingis, Finney-Smith, and Brunson. In this instance Philly would have to assume Porzingis is a starting 4 next to Joel and that Brunson is a starting caliber PG.. I’m not sure either of those are the case. Could maybe get interesting if worked into a 3-4 team type of deal.
OKC has absolute **** for trade value, but I could see them getting in on the action to help facilitate some 3-4 team move. Maybe they would take back a contract like Wall or Porzingis for some more draft assets. At some point when another team decides to “tank/rebuild” contracts like those plus a handful of their 400 picks could get them a star to pair with SGA.
Some random *** multi piece trade like below might work:
OKC gets: Wall + more picks
76ers get: Siakam, Dragic, Eric Gordon
Rockets get: Ben Simmons, Favors, Boucher
Raptors get: T Harris, Christian Wood, Giddey
Potential issue there is how highly OKC values Giddey. It might take a young player going back to them in addition to those picks.
I would love a Fox or Haliburton/Hield deal, but that isn't likely. I don't see a Rockets deal being good for either side. Pacers would have to move off from Sabonis because Ben seems like a better fit next to Turner. I think TJ Warren foot hasn't been healy like they expected and still out a while. Maybe a Brodgon and Lamb deal would be good, but then those are two guys with long injury histories. I don't think a CJ McCollum deal is even on the table anymore lol. I do agree with the Kings perspective. Hield and Haliburton would be a good fit next to Ben. A Lineup of Haliburton-Hield-Ben-Barnes-Holmes would be a good lineup. Might have to throw in Shake with Ben, but Fox and Bagley would be a great return.
This is likely a 3-4 team deal. If you are moving off of Ben and Tobias, that's more of a Cap Flexibility move which I wouldn't mind.Comment
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If you could get Ben back on board by firing Doc, would you do that or would you prefer Ben gone either way?Originally posted by G PericoIf I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
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I would prefer Ben gone either way. I think it's best for both parties. Even if he would to flourish somewhere else, it wouldn't be the same if he were still here. The divorce needs to happen either way. I really don't think Doc's comments were a big deal. Doc went at beat Writers and media when they said anything negative about Ben all year. Was his comment any worse than Brett Brown publicly telling Ben to shoot at least 1 Three a game. My main issues Doc is Lineup decisions and mid-game adjustments. Doc loved going with All Bench lineups that killed any momentum or the Ben-Dwight that was a net negative.
If anything, Ben needs an established no-nonsense coach who will push himLast edited by illwill10; 09-22-2021, 08:46 AM.Comment
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I gave Woj grief #onhere last year(not that he GAF lol)over that article he wrote about Kyrie being “The Disrupter” when they were talking about restarting the season during last summer’s events especially since he framed it as if Kyrie was trying to sabotage the talks, when it was determined to nowhere near true as far as how he framed it.Legit asking because I've seen Woj catching shade around here before too. It legit seems like there are times here and it could just be me, where we get a little too caught up in the 'don't believe these reporters' thing but then certain stuff that comes out people don't even hesitate to accept it as fact. Just my observations over the last few years.
Other than that, I feel like we(#onhere)pretty much trust his word, along with the other two I mentioned when it comes to break player transaction/personnel moves.
Now when it came to LeBron related stuff, I think Cima was one of the people here that would buy anything Woj was selling(If I’m wrong, my bad Brother Cima).#RespectTheCultureComment
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Might’ve been the other way around, Bron fans have never liked Woj, dude used to write hit pieces about him when he was at Yahoo because he didn’t have any sources in his camp. That was when I first realized how he was.Originally posted by G PericoIf I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
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I'll gladly take Ben in Atlanta to team up with Trae and be the defender and secondary ball handler.Retro Redemption - Starting over with a oldschool PowerBone Offense
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Would be great for the Hawks, just not sure what pieces would really benefit the Sixers. Delon Wright MIGHT be serviceable enough as a combo guard type for them to make a trade including him, but it seems a 3rd team sending Philly a PG would almost have to be involved. The problem is nobody is shopping starting caliber PGs. Maybe something like:
Hawks get: Simmons
Raptors get: Gallo
76ers get: Dragic, and then two of Hunter, Huerter, Cam
I feel like Hunter is the piece Atlanta would most likely want to keep long term and having Wright and Bogdan makes Huerter a bit more expendable.. But having all 3 of Collins, Simmons, Hunter is also a strange mix. Both Hunter and Cam have strong upside, especially Hunter, but both have had some injuries and the Hawks are competing now. Maybe it makes the most sense for them to keep Huerter since Ben is giving them the defender they would hope one of the other two could eventually become.
Raptors likely need a 2nd rounder or something to help facilitate the trade. Philly misses out on a win-now star, but Dragic is a great fit for the small window they may have. If Hunter progresses to be the player some believe he will be then they've at least landed an All-Star caliber guy.
Only other 3 team trade I could think of that gets them a younger guard than Dragic would be a trade with Cleveland.
Hawks get: Ben Simmons
Cavs get: T Harris, Gallo, Maxey
76ers get: Love, Rubio, Sexton, Hunter
Makes sense for the Hawks because it's just a Simmons for Hunter swap on their end, Cavs get off of Love's contract.Comment
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Not sure why the Raptors would be interested in that.OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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I've not seen any reports Atlanta is interested its just me thinking about at as someone eventually will need to be traded or not signed to a big deal.Would be great for the Hawks, just not sure what pieces would really benefit the Sixers. Delon Wright MIGHT be serviceable enough as a combo guard type for them to make a trade including him, but it seems a 3rd team sending Philly a PG would almost have to be involved. The problem is nobody is shopping starting caliber PGs. Maybe something like:
Hawks get: Simmons
Raptors get: Gallo
76ers get: Dragic, and then two of Hunter, Huerter, Cam
I feel like Hunter is the piece Atlanta would most likely want to keep long term and having Wright and Bogdan makes Huerter a bit more expendable. But having all 3 of Collins, Simmons, Hunter is also a strange mix. Both Hunter and Cam have strong upside, especially Hunter, but both have had some injuries and the Hawks are competing now. Maybe it makes the most sense for them to keep Huerter since Ben is giving them the defender they would hope one of the other two could eventually become.
Raptors likely need a 2nd rounder or something to help facilitate the trade. Philly misses out on a win-now star, but Dragic is a great fit for the small window they may have. If Hunter progresses to be the player some believe he will be then they've at least landed an All-Star caliber guy.
Only other 3 team trade I could think of that gets them a younger guard than Dragic would be a trade with Cleveland.
Hawks get: Ben Simmons
Cavs get: T Harris, Gallo, Maxey
76ers get: Love, Rubio, Sexton, Hunter
Makes sense for the Hawks because it's just a Simmons for Hunter swap on their end, Cavs get off of Love's contract.
Cam and Gallo would be the two locks to be moved from Atlanta. I don't see Hunter being in the trade as Cam's name has been in trade rumors all summer. You could afford to lose one of Cam or Hunter and Hunter seems to be higher on the pecking order. Maybe Philly would be interested in moving Tobas and having Gallo fill his role and saving all that $?
Then you would add either Huerter or Bogdan to give Philly a starting 2. Wright is a good option to go to Philly has he is on a expiring deal and is a decent bench player. Atlanta has all of their 1st round picks going forward so you could add some of them as well as a fake 1st from OKC. I think this offer is as good as they will do for the time being
Cam
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I don’t know if Ben, Collins, and Capela can work on the floor at the same time but Atlanta as a city might be the perfect fit for Ben.Originally posted by G PericoIf I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
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It’s just a money swap that gets them a pick in return. It sounded like Dragic didn’t want to be there (he’s apologized for the comments since however) and he’s not going to stay with them after this year anyways. Philly could likely send another younger piece like Joe or Shake or an extra 2nd rounder or something. But no Toronto wouldn’t be interested in Gallo, but they likely aren’t that interested in Dragic either.
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And the extra year is only partially guaranteed if waived. 5 mil. So that part of it wouldn’t matter much if they got the picks.
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I've not seen any reports Atlanta is interested its just me thinking about at as someone eventually will need to be traded or not signed to a big deal.
Cam and Gallo would be the two locks to be moved from Atlanta. I don't see Hunter being in the trade as Cam's name has been in trade rumors all summer. You could afford to lose one of Cam or Hunter and Hunter seems to be higher on the pecking order. Maybe Philly would be interested in moving Tobas and having Gallo fill his role and saving all that $?
Then you would add either Huerter or Bogdan to give Philly a starting 2. Wright is a good option to go to Philly has he is on a expiring deal and is a decent bench player. Atlanta has all of their 1st round picks going forward so you could add some of them as well as a fake 1st from OKC. I think this offer is as good as they will do for the time being
Cam
Gallo (basically a expiring contract)
Bogdan or Huerter
Delon Wright
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I just don’t think Philly takes a deal that doesn’t get them a point guard or a player with Hunters upside.
Their best piece in a return like that is Bogdan, and I just don’t think they make the move with the thought that it helps them close the gap any against guys like Harden and Middleton. Especially if it means having to start Maxey or Seth at the 1 spot.
I definitely get why ATL wouldn’t want to trade Hunter, but at the same time how do you play Ben, Hunter, and Collins together? In terms of fit rather than potential it makes sense to keep the shooters who play all their minutes at the guard rotation, not the guy who’s a 3/4 like Ben. IMO at least. That returns their full ECF team and adds Ben to the mix as they didn’t really have Hunter or Cam anyways. Huerter is also going to come a bit cheaper at the end of the day that would matter if you’re paying Ben, Trae, Collins, Capela, Bogdan.
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