2021 Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

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Excited to see the new moves come up with to continue tricking the zebras.

[ojandpizza]

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The idea of a Star for star for Ben is over. It's not going to be a situation where we "win" the trade. It'll most likely be multiple second and third tier players who would likely be a better fit. I'm okay with getting second tier players who are a better fit and also provide financial flexibility. But I'm okay with throwing in Maxey, Matisse(maybe), and multiple firsts for a superstar. I'm only hesitant with Matisse because we'll likely get someone who is a liability on defense.

I would be okay with a Hield & Wright for Ben. Garland & Love. McCollum & Collins. Lavine & Thaddeus Young. Deals like that would help. Especially if you can sign Lowry for a reasonable contract. It'll be a better lineup

Hield and Wright would be pretty solid and reasonable as Hield had somewhat of a down year as well. Philly would need a guard still, I don't think Lowry will come cheap honestly. Not cheap enough for teams like Philly, LAL to just sign him outright like some are saying. He'll probably take a slight cut so he can sign for 3-4 year instead of 1-2 year, more guaranteed money, but I don't think he'll be a cheap MLE level guy. D Rose or Ish Smith might be more realistic targets, although letting Wright and Hill split guard duties wouldn't be awful either. Curry has solid combo guard skills as well.

I bet Garland is off the table because there has been some rumors of them maybe moving Sexton. Though Sexton might be a realistic target, but I bet the asking price for he and Love would be higher than just Simmons based on how Sexton looked early this season and Ben in the playoffs. Maxey and some draft picks might get it done.

McCollum trade isn't bad, but the tricky part is making moves that Dame approves of. That trade would have made much more sense before the Trent Jr for Powell trade. As Trent Jr. was very capable of stepping into the starting SG spot while this trade would leave them with Powell, Covington, Jones Jr., Melo, Simmons, all suited for playing the 3 or 4 spot and no real off guard on the team.

Bulls trade would probably work with Maxey thrown in. I don't think the Bulls would be wild about trading their only premier scorer for a guy who isn't a scorer, but if they got Maxey back in the trade they would have both he and White to lean on for scoring. Bulls would have flexibility, White, Maxey, Simmons, Vucevic, with the decision to start Williams to play bigger or Satoransky to play smaller. Theoretically a guy like Ben pairs really well with Vucevic, and Markkanen if they keep him.

[jfsolo]

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As someone who still believes in Simmons, I wouldn't give up Lavine for him unless Lavine was insistent about wanting out, even then I might look in another direction for a deal.

[illwill10]

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Hield and Wright would be pretty solid and reasonable as Hield had somewhat of a down year as well. Philly would need a guard still, I don't think Lowry will come cheap honestly. Not cheap enough for teams like Philly, LAL to just sign him outright like some are saying. He'll probably take a slight cut so he can sign for 3-4 year instead of 1-2 year, more guaranteed money, but I don't think he'll be a cheap MLE level guy. D Rose or Ish Smith might be more realistic targets, although letting Wright and Hill split guard duties wouldn't be awful either. Curry has solid combo guard skills as well.

I bet Garland is off the table because there has been some rumors of them maybe moving Sexton. Though Sexton might be a realistic target, but I bet the asking price for he and Love would be higher than just Simmons based on how Sexton looked early this season and Ben in the playoffs. Maxey and some draft picks might get it done.

McCollum trade isn't bad, but the tricky part is making moves that Dame approves of. That trade would have made much more sense before the Trent Jr for Powell trade. As Trent Jr. was very capable of stepping into the starting SG spot while this trade would leave them with Powell, Covington, Jones Jr., Melo, Simmons, all suited for playing the 3 or 4 spot and no real off guard on the team.

Bulls trade would probably work with Maxey thrown in. I don't think the Bulls would be wild about trading their only premier scorer for a guy who isn't a scorer, but if they got Maxey back in the trade they would have both he and White to lean on for scoring. Bulls would have flexibility, White, Maxey, Simmons, Vucevic, with the decision to start Williams to play bigger or Satoransky to play smaller. Theoretically a guy like Ben pairs really well with Vucevic, and Markkanen if they keep him.

I think Lowry wants a 2 year 25 million per deal I was in the assumption of letting all the FAs walk. I think we can have up to 25-30 million if they trade off Hill. I would want to do 20 for him. Still a quality defend, playmaker, and some shot create ability. I kind of want to move Curry to the 6th man role. He exceeded expectations, but I rather have him coming off the bench if we can get a better shot creator in a deal.


I expect them Cavs to move Sexton for more of a off ball SG. I just rather have Garland.

I was thinking Simmons could play the Draymond role alongside Lillard.


I would do a Simmons, Maxey for Lavine and Young. I think Lavine is making around $20 million. Young could be a good backup 4/small ball 5. Sixers would definitely need a playmaking PG.

The only issue with trading for an elite shot creator/scorer is how Tobias fits. Tobias is better suited for a secondary scorer role. But he isn't a Secondary scorer on a championship team. I would try to trade him as well. While he was improved, we would definitely lose that trade. You have to trade either Ben or Tobias, or both.

[illwill10]

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As someone who still believes in Simmons, I wouldn't give up Lavine for him unless Lavine was insistent about wanting out, even then I might look in another direction for a deal.

Yeah, it is more of a pipe dream. Depends on if they can keep their top 4 pick in the lottery tonight.

[inkcil]

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The idea of a Star for star for Ben is over. It's not going to be a situation where we "win" the trade. It'll most likely be multiple second and third tier players who would likely be a better fit. I'm okay with getting second tier players who are a better fit and also provide financial flexibility. But I'm okay with throwing in Maxey, Matisse(maybe), and multiple firsts for a superstar. I'm only hesitant with Matisse because we'll likely get someone who is a liability on defense.

I would be okay with a Hield & Wright for Ben. Garland & Love. McCollum & Collins. Lavine & Thaddeus Young. Deals like that would help. Especially if you can sign Lowry for a reasonable contract. It'll be a better lineup

Would you trade him for Wiggins straight up?

[illwill10]

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Would you trade him for Wiggins straight up?

Wiggins is too streaky for my tastes. I know he has been a solid to good defender. He is still good for near 20 a game. But he isn't a #1 or #2 on a winning team. Plus I don't see the fit with Draymond and Ben.

I would do a Simmons for Ingram straight up

[Majingir]

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Crazy proposal I keep seeing brought up.

What if Raptors do a S&T with Lowry to Philly for Simmons? If Philly really wanted to get rid of him, guess we'd see how desperate they are.

I don't see that deal happening though. Feels more like media just being bored.

Edit- After the lottery, I'd be more open to this, if it's a 3 team deal. 76ers get Lowry and a pick (from a 3rd team), Raptors get a C, and the other team gets Simmons.

[Master Live 013]

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I mean, George Hill should just retire. His "I'm a savvy veteran" thing has been played out.

[Master Live 013]

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Simmons is flawed, but he ain't that flawed. If Sixers are getting Wiggins Warriors better throw some extra goodies on top of it.

[JazzMan]

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And here I was thinking I'd do a swap of Gobert for Simmons if it came to us lol. Definitely would need a third team involved though

[cima]

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I like the idea of Simmons in the Draymond Green-type role. That just means he doesn't get max money and that's okay. It's time to stop thinking he's ever gonna be that LeBron/Magic player that people thought he could become, he just doesn't have it.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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What idiots other than NBA Twitter were still thinking that in the first place? 🤷🏾*♂️

[illwill10]

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What idiots other than NBA Twitter were still thinking that in the first place? 🤷🏾*♂️

I never even entertained that nonsense. I always seen him as a plus Draymond without the occasional three attempts. Even at his potential peak, he would be just more aggressive trying to get his own shots and have more willingness to attempt 15 foot shots. I remember before the season there was a discussion here about either Embiid or Simmons. I chose Embiid then, because I knew he was more valuable and that his issues were more likely to be solved then Ben's. Joel's issues were more about getting into better shape, playing with more pace, and looking to dominate every night not just in big matchups. Ben's is all mental.

There is definitely a market for him, it's just not for a superstar. He needs to be humbled and change the people in his circle. Maybe even being in a smaller market might help. At this point, I would take 2 better fitting contributors

But it is funny how I wouldn't have wanted to trade Ben for Lavine around the Harden sweepstakes. I rather then traded Tobias for Lavine. But now, I would definitely take that trade even though it isn't as likely. My only issue with Lavine is that I know there were several times this year where he made some very costly mental mistakes at end of games that costed the Bulls this year. But, I would still take him and look to add a PG

[King_B_Mack]

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Even despite this horrible lottery situation tonight and losing out on that first round pick, in what ridiculous, *** backwards world does anyone think it's even remotely close to being a logical or beneficial move for the Bulls to trade Zach LaVine for Ben Simmons. LaVine is one of the best young scorers in the league who has improved his game every single season he's been in the league and the Bulls are going to give him up for a dude who's clearly regressing and has a bloated contract on top of that? GarPax not running the show here anymore, that's some stupid **** that they would actually entertain. We've already had Ben Simmons Lite here, his name was Kris Dunn. Defensive minded PG who can't shoot.