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  • ojandpizza
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2011
    • 29807

    #196
    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by georgiafan
    Atlanta pretty much has to match the max offer Collins is going to get now. I don't see how you can do a sign and trade even if its a sweep vs the bucks. Your clearly not going to let him walk for nothing.
    Only option is to max and keep or do a sign and trade.

    Looking back on all the teams that were interested like Minny, Sac, Dallas, Boston, not sure if I'm forgetting any or not, none of them really have great offers. Atlanta would not trade him for KP, they wouldn't trade him for anything but Towns which Minnesota wouldn't do.. Celtics won't trade Brown or Tatum, and Smart would be the only semi-desirable player from them but there is no trade to be made salary wise there..

    Sacramento has the most realistic shot. Something like Barnes and Bagley wouldn't be awful but is largely dependent on how much they value Gallo as that trade only make sense if they see Barnes as a big upgrade at that spot. I don't but apparently teams do with the money he gets offered. So idk.

    I know Bagley has yet to do anything at all but I'm still high on his upside. I think he could be the younger, cheaper type they could just slot into Collins role and move forward without worrying about having a max you didn't want to pay.

    Could maybe add Hield to the deal if they sent out Gallo.. but even then do the Hawks need another rotation wing with Bogdan, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter on the roster already?

    It's just a tough spot. Anything short of a superstar SF doesn't really make sense for them. Like a trade for Zion sure, but Pelicans aren't doing that. Huerter could easily slide to 6th/7th man territory if the SF was upgraded. But they already have Hunter and Reddish too.

    Would the Celtics trade off Brown for a Collins + Reddish package, idk, would Denver trade something like Gordon + MPJ + Barton in a trade? I doubt it. Something like Ingram and Lonzo? I mean there just isn't a trade out there that makes much sense.

    Only other trade I could think of would be if LaVine said he was tired of playing for the Bulls because they suck. S&T to send Collins and Bogdonvic to the Bulls for Zach, Thad, Markkanen.. That's probably the best case scenario for Atlanta. Thad can be that 12 and 8 guy without ever wanting or expecting to be more, Markkanen gives them a big who can stretch and youth to build on down the line, Zach an upgrade over Bogdan. But a trade like that likely takes multiple first round picks from the Hawks to pull off, and Zach requesting to be moved.

    Difficult part is Collins is a 20+ 10+ player on a lot of teams, but any team built for deep playoff runs he is probably topping out around this 13ish and 8ish he's giving now. And the choice to max that is difficult when they are about to need money for Trae, Cam, Hunter, Huerter, and probably shouldn't move Capela unless they want their defense to fall apart.

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    • illwill10
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2009
      • 19829

      #197
      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by georgiafan
      Yea this Atlanta roster could quickly become expensive fast the easiest way to fix that would be dump Gallo to someone this summer. Huerter also made a lot of $, but I don't expect a deal to get done with him this summer.


      I don't think the front office wants to pay him the max, but I'm sure some time is going to. You can't be coming off this magical season and then trade one of your best players that fits in so well.
      Not sure how he contract is, but Gallinari would fit for the Sixers. Stretch big off the bench has been an issue for us for last couple seasons. The Mike Scott experience should finally be over

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      • ojandpizza
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 29807

        #198
        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by illwill10
        Not sure how he contract is, but Gallinari would fit for the Sixers. Stretch big off the bench has been an issue for us for last couple seasons. The Mike Scott experience should finally be over
        Think Gallo is at 19+ lol

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        • illwill10
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2009
          • 19829

          #199
          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by ojandpizza
          Think Gallo is at 19+ lol
          Nevermind lol

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          • georgiafan
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            • Jul 2002
            • 11130

            #200
            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by illwill10
            Not sure how he contract is, but Gallinari would fit for the Sixers. Stretch big off the bench has been an issue for us for last couple seasons. The Mike Scott experience should finally be over
            Gallo contract is a lot better then it looks on paper. The 3rd year is only 5 million guaranteed so next year it’s sort of expiring as you could just cut him before the 3rd year.
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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #201
              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by georgiafan
              Gallo contract is a lot better then it looks on paper. The 3rd year is only 5 million guaranteed so next year it’s sort of expiring as you could just cut him before the 3rd year.
              Not bad for Atlanta, but not great for any team looking to trade for him because most players making that money are younger, or making much less, or making more but a lot better. From Philly's perspective they would have to trade off George Hill and Seth Curry just to get somewhat close to matching money.

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              • illwill10
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2009
                • 19829

                #202
                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                Not bad for Atlanta, but not great for any team looking to trade for him because most players making that money are younger, or making much less, or making more but a lot better. From Philly's perspective they would have to trade off George Hill and Seth Curry just to get somewhat close to matching money.
                It isn't as bad. But I imagine Sixers have a lot of decisions to make. There will be a market for Ben, it just depends on who you can get for him. I don't mind Green, but at a way cheaper deal than the 15 million he made this year. Dwight and Scott can be let go. I'm okay with letting Furkan walk. Hill's $10 million is likely used in a trade. I'm still for trading Tobias for a shot creator.

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                • illwill10
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 19829

                  #203
                  Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                  Outside of Ben and Oubre, who are the likely players to be traded this offseason. I don't see Lillard being traded unless he demands it. I'm not sure if there will be a disgruntled player who demands a trade this offseason

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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #204
                    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                    I think KP is gone for sure.


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                    • Master Live 013
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                      • Oct 2013
                      • 12430

                      #205
                      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
                      New ESPN story: Doc Rivers said Monday that Ben Simmons is prepared to do the work to fix his shot this summer — and that the Sixers have the plan to do it. “I believe we know what the right work is, and the right type of work, and the right way to do it.”https://t.co/AFH5JOuiFW
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                      • illwill10
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 19829

                        #206
                        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by Master Live 013
                        New ESPN story: Doc Rivers said Monday that Ben Simmons is prepared to do the work to fix his shot this summer — and that the Sixers have the plan to do it. “I believe we know what the right work is, and the right type of work, and the right way to do it.”https://t.co/AFH5JOuiFW
                        — Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 21, 2021
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                        What have him shoot with the correct hand lol

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                        • Vni
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 14833

                          #207
                          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by illwill10
                          What have him shoot with the correct hand lol
                          They're gonna fix his shot by trading him probably.

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                          • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                            • Dec 2006
                            • 17294

                            #208
                            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by Master Live 013
                            New ESPN story: Doc Rivers said Monday that Ben Simmons is prepared to do the work to fix his shot this summer — and that the Sixers have the plan to do it. “I believe we know what the right work is, and the right type of work, and the right way to do it.”https://t.co/AFH5JOuiFW
                            — Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) June 21, 2021
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                            Just a coincidence that Doc mentioned "right" three times in that statement about fixing Simmons' shot?
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                            • illwill10
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 19829

                              #209
                              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by Vni
                              They're gonna fix his shot by trading him probably.
                              The idea of a Star for star for Ben is over. It's not going to be a situation where we "win" the trade. It'll most likely be multiple second and third tier players who would likely be a better fit. I'm okay with getting second tier players who are a better fit and also provide financial flexibility. But I'm okay with throwing in Maxey, Matisse(maybe), and multiple firsts for a superstar. I'm only hesitant with Matisse because we'll likely get someone who is a liability on defense.

                              I would be okay with a Hield & Wright for Ben. Garland & Love. McCollum & Collins. Lavine & Thaddeus Young. Deals like that would help. Especially if you can sign Lowry for a reasonable contract. It'll be a better lineup

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                              • jfsolo
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                                • May 2003
                                • 12965

                                #210
                                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                                It's good to hear the specifics, hopefully the refs don't still give certain players a pass for some reason.

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