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  • illwill10
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2009
    • 19829

    #226
    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
    Even despite this horrible lottery situation tonight and losing out on that first round pick, in what ridiculous, *** backwards world does anyone think it's even remotely close to being a logical or beneficial move for the Bulls to trade Zach LaVine for Ben Simmons. LaVine is one of the best young scorers in the league who has improved his game every single season he's been in the league and the Bulls are going to give him up for a dude who's clearly regressing and has a bloated contract on top of that? GarPax not running the show here anymore, that's some stupid **** that they would actually entertain. We've already had Ben Simmons Lite here, his name was Kris Dunn. Defensive minded PG who can't shoot.
    I wouldn't do that deal for the Bulls. My thinking would be better fits alongside Joel. But definitely not a good trade for the Bulls at all. Ben would benefit being in the Draymond role, where the offense is more uptempo and less focus on posting up

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #227
      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      Even despite this horrible lottery situation tonight and losing out on that first round pick, in what ridiculous, *** backwards world does anyone think it's even remotely close to being a logical or beneficial move for the Bulls to trade Zach LaVine for Ben Simmons. LaVine is one of the best young scorers in the league who has improved his game every single season he's been in the league and the Bulls are going to give him up for a dude who's clearly regressing and has a bloated contract on top of that? GarPax not running the show here anymore, that's some stupid **** that they would actually entertain. We've already had Ben Simmons Lite here, his name was Kris Dunn. Defensive minded PG who can't shoot.

      I think Ben Simmons is a more impactful player than LaVine personally. But I also think Ben can hop over to a non big dominant team and average something like 18 to 20/8/8. Maxey and White are both likely to be 18-20 a night caliber guys as they develop.

      I personally feel LaVine is a good scorer, great option to go to late because he’s not scared of the moment and can create space and shots.. but I feel like he’s basically like having Beal when there is no Wall or Westbrook. Just somewhat empty scoring.

      I do think a combination of White, Maxey, Ben, Williams, Vuc is a better combination than having to play Satorsnsky over White because he and LaVine have too much of an overlap and there is a desperate need for even the slightest amount of playmaking and defense.

      It is a tough decision to trade your only plus scorer for a guy who’s not an elite scorer.. but I think both Maxey and White would make a jump forward and Ben with a young team that can get out in the open floor and the big is a floor spacer, I think that makes Ben a “special” player personally. I do get the reservations around him though.


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      • King_B_Mack
        All Star
        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #228
        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

        Woj reporting the Celtics are finalizing a deal with Ime Udoka to be their next head coach


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        • DieHardYankee26
          BING BONG
          • Feb 2008
          • 10178

          #229
          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

          Was really hoping the Knicks would take a shot at him when we had our opening, will be interesting to see how it works out. Also wondering where Carlisle ends up.
          Originally posted by G Perico
          If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
          I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
          In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
          The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #230
            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

            Always figured one of the 3 Assistants(Udoka, D’Antoni, Vaughn)would be gone after this season regardless of how it went.

            Happy for him though.
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • bigeastbumrush
              My Momma's Son
              • Feb 2003
              • 19245

              #231
              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
              Even despite this horrible lottery situation tonight and losing out on that first round pick, in what ridiculous, *** backwards world does anyone think it's even remotely close to being a logical or beneficial move for the Bulls to trade Zach LaVine for Ben Simmons. LaVine is one of the best young scorers in the league who has improved his game every single season he's been in the league and the Bulls are going to give him up for a dude who's clearly regressing and has a bloated contract on top of that? GarPax not running the show here anymore, that's some stupid **** that they would actually entertain. We've already had Ben Simmons Lite here, his name was Kris Dunn. Defensive minded PG who can't shoot.

              This will test the Bulls front office acumen.

              If you think Lavine is a goner, you move him. Recoup the picks given to Orlando. Surround Ben with shooters but keep Vuc as option #1.

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              • illwill10
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2009
                • 19829

                #232
                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                This will test the Bulls front office acumen.

                If you think Lavine is a goner, you move him. Recoup the picks given to Orlando. Surround Ben with shooters but keep Vuc as option #1.
                I agree. I think it'll be best to get something for Lavine now instead of letting him walk next summer. I don't see a huge name Free Agent signing there, so it'll be best to get what you can now.

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                • areobee401
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 16771

                  #233
                  Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                  Woj reporting the Celtics are finalizing a deal with Ime Udoka to be their next head coach


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                  Would like to welcome Nia Long to the Celtics family. Looking forward to seeing her at TD Garden.


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                  http://twitter.com/smittyroberts

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                  • King_B_Mack
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24450

                    #234
                    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                    This will test the Bulls front office acumen.

                    If you think Lavine is a goner, you move him. Recoup the picks given to Orlando. Surround Ben with shooters but keep Vuc as option #1.
                    Originally posted by illwill10
                    I agree. I think it'll be best to get something for Lavine now instead of letting him walk next summer. I don't see a huge name Free Agent signing there, so it'll be best to get what you can now.
                    I'm confident LaVine isn't going to just bolt as a free agent. As mentioned nobody is signing here as a big name free agent so just give that man the contract he earned and be done with it. Very dangerous to just trade the dude now and not even attempt to re-sign him because he MIGHT walk next year.

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #235
                      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                      Sounding like Dinwiddie wants get paid or go back home to LA(play for either Clippers or Lakers)via Sign & Trade:

                      #RespectTheCulture

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #236
                        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        Sounding like Dinwiddie wants get paid or go back home to LA(play for either Clippers or Lakers)via Sign & Trade:

                        https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...mpression=true
                        Would be a really tough spot for either LA team to facilitate a trade that would/could make the Nets better.. Opposite conference sure but they are coming in as favorites when healthy already. Something centered around Morris or Beverly from the Clippers might work. Not sure what type of money he would get coming off injury, but Bev and Rondo/Zubac gets them to 20mil.

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                        • King_B_Mack
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 24450

                          #237
                          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                          Woj retweeting Tim McMahon:

                          Pacers are bringing back Rick Carlisle. 4 years, $29 million

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                          • DieHardYankee26
                            BING BONG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10178

                            #238
                            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                            Interesting fit for the Pacers after firing a coach who lost the locker room with the stories coming out on Carlisle yelling at his players and inanimate objects.
                            Originally posted by G Perico
                            If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                            I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                            In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                            The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #239
                              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                              Carlisle carries credibility, is proven and has won, so he can get away with that.

                              And OJ, you think they might revisit that Dinwiddie/Kuzma swap that was supposedly talked about around the trade deadline.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #240
                                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                                I’m really interested to see how it plays out. He hasn’t won a playoff series since their best player was 14.
                                Originally posted by G Perico
                                If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                                I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                                In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                                The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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