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Jordan Mychal Lemos
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
I agree, but not only that Portland likely have little interest in KP and anything else Dallas would have to trade would make them so thin with no money to replace guys.
I mean we are talking something like THJ, Finney-Smith and then one of Kleber/Richardson/Powell just to make the money work. Could probably swap Finney-Smith with Brunson but does Portland want a trade for Dame centered around Brunson and THJ? I feel like they would want DFS AND those guys for a player like Dame.
I know Boston doesn’t want to beak up that core, but Jaylen Brown would probably get them really close.
Knicks could make a play but would likely have to give up lots of potential. Similar to the Lakers with AD.. Barrett, Robison, or Toppin, or all 3, picks and salary. I don’t think Dame and Randle gets them all that close to a ring, and it’s asking a lot to give up on potential like that. If the Knicks can land a big FA, then maybe a trade after makes sense.
Once the draft happens the Lakers can trade this years first and a future first, would have to S&T something like Schroder, Kuz, maybe Trez, the 3 of them would be over salary but no way Portland does a trade without all 3.. Covington/Powell/Jones would likely come back. I know recency and all, but Trez was a 20&10 per 36 guy, Kuz still a young 20 a night caliber guy, and Schroder was 15 and 6 starting PG on the 3rd best team in the league when healthy.. that’s a better haul than any of the above.
Philly still has the best package of any team I can think of. Ben and Maxey and firsts.. I know the opinions of Ben lately, but he’s better than what we’ve seen. Just needs to get out of his own head and be in a more up and down flowing type of game plan. Portland is loaded at that 3/4 spot, so it would be interesting to see what other moves they could make. Perhaps a 3 team deal.
Maybe a Westbrook swap, or GS goes after him and tries the Dame+CJ approach with Dame+Steph. Wiggins and Wiseman with a pick or two is a pretty big haul as well. If you’re high on Wiseman anyways.
No idea if the Heat could get him centered around Herro, Robinson, Dragic, picks or something.. Portland isn’t going to want to get even worse defensively though. If this was a year ago the supposed Harden package might have worked here.
Would the Clippers trade Paul George? The problem is they don’t really have picks to offer.. maybe Zubac and Mann have enough trade value after doing well in the playoffs to swing a trade. PG, Zubac, Mann for Dame and Covington? It’s not horrible and Portland might not search for picks as hard if they still plan on being a contender after the trade.
A few other teams but none of which I feel like Dame would be fine with going to. And I have to imagine if he asks out there will be some degree of him giving them some options he’s ok with.
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
First thing is what would Portland want to do? Blow it up?
Second, stop it. Wiggins is trash, Kuzma is trash
And this would be for 4 years of Dame, instead of 2 years guaranteed with Harden (plus a player option). So the trashier the package the more you have to make it up with 1st's and pick swaps (don't leave me out of the pick swaps).
The best "package" out of those would be 3 years of Jaylen Brown, then the goodies package around the Sixers.
Jaylen isn't Dame, but he is 24 and Dame is 30, he has gotten better every year and plays defense. Does Dame put the Celtics over the top? Don't know about that.OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
Haynes is Dame’s go to guy in the media. The story is almost certainly coming from Dame himself. The question is whether he’s serious about potentially wanting out or if he’s just trying to get fans to back off and give him a break
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
I do agree that once you get past a certain point, you're just giving away the player. You only take a deal like that when the player is headed/in their final year of contract or you HAD to get rid of player immediately. With Ben and Dame, that's not the situation. Both teams aren't in a situation where they have to get off the player immediately or take a undesirable deal. When it comes to Ben, I wouldn't be interested in deals curtained around Wiggins, Russell, Cavs, etc. Those are "last resort" deals. My top 3 options are Dame, Lavine, and CJ. After that, you're not really getting better.
I would love a potential Joel-Lillard pairing. Lillard was made for a bigger market. Then you would have Tobias, which is better suited as a 3rd scoring option. I wouldn't want to start Curry alongside Lillard. But, I would be willing to trade Maxey and Matisse in order to maximize the Joel windowComment
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
If Dame wants to really piss people off, he knows where to request a trade too(I want him to stay in Portland, BTW).#RespectTheCultureComment
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I'm wondering who could actually acquire Dame (contending or near-contending teams) that would actually put them over the top. Philly gives up a ton on defense to acquire Dame but that might not matter because Dame/Embiid would be lethal. Not sure it matters who they get though as long as Doc is their coach.
If you swap George for Dame you get worse defensively. If I'm Portland though and I get rid of my franchise player while signing a rookie head coach, why would I try to still compete rather than blow it up? If Dame goes, might as well unload CJ too. I know Dame would want to go to a contender but these contenders don't have a ton of assets to make it worth Portland's long-term future IMO.
It seems a third team involved may be necessary.
Golden State has Wiseman, a top-10 pick this year to offer...as awful as a Dame/Steph backcourt would be on defense, the thought of trying to stop Dame/Steph/Klay is a nightmare in itself.
Dame to GS may be the best win-win scenario next to Philly. I can't see another contender having enough assets to get a deal done.Comment
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
Most teams would need a 3+ team deal, and/or have to give up a player they'll likely want to keep. Like with Boston, yes Lillard would make them better. But would they really want to give up Brown who has developed into a very solid Two-Way #2 option for 2-3 prime years of Dame. The young Miami assets aren't as valuable as last year. I'm willing to take the risk of 2-3 prime years of Dame, because Joel likely has only 2-3 more prime years left. I see Joel breaking down in his very early 30s. So, I rather go all in now to maximize the window. I would like to keep Matisse. But, I'm certain you will have vets willing to take minimum deals to chase a ring thereComment
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
The only chance I trade Brown for Lillard is if Brown has told the team he wants out. Otherwise I’m good. Now if Dame wants to try forcing his way to a specific destination (Boston), I’m ready to book Smart, Thompson, picks, and whatever filler is needed on the next flight out of Logan or TF Green.
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
IMO Dame, Steph, and Klay would win a lot of games in the regular season with their absurd shooting and lose in the second round at best.Jordan Mychal Lemos
@crypticjordan
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Re: 2021 Offseason Thread
I'd agree that I wouldn't move Brown unless he wanted out, and I don't see that being the case. But, a lot of these potential proposed deals have Portland just giving away Lillard. They would put Portland on a rebuilding path with the my main hope is draft picks panning out. Even looking at the Harden deal, they are banking on hitting on the draft picks and developing players.
I do want Lillard to stay. I rather see them make a commited effort to build a championship roster around him. He's a very loyal guy. But, it has to come to a point where you have to ask, are they really making that effort to build a championship team. I like RoCo, but he doesn't push the needle. Same goes for Powell. The small market excuse isn't as valid. You look a teams like Bucks and Suns. At least they have shown efforts to build a championship team and spend money when needed and make big moves when needed.
But, I would trade him if he really doesn't want to be there just from a value point. Once a player hits 30, ever year you will his value drops. So unless they feel they can reconcile the situation and make risky moves, move him now and don't deny the inevitable. Plus even with trading McCollum, what's the best player/package you could get for him that elevates Portland to a title contender. I like McCollum, but he isn't bringing in a superstar package.Comment
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